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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary Clinton Advice For Young Women: ‘Grow Skin Like A Rhinoceros’
By MAGGIE HABERMAN | 2/13/14 4:30 PM EST
Hillary Clinton told a packed auditorium of New York University students Thursday that the most important tip she could offer women in public life was a lesson she took from one of her role models, Eleanor Roosevelt:
Grow skin like a rhinoceros.
It's a goddamn shame that in order to fend off attacks from crazed right-wingers, the women of America must lumber around like armor-plated beasts.
Is gentlemanly respect for the fairer sex a relic of the past for our wingnut friends?
MORE:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/02/hillary-clinton-wants-young-women-to-grow-skin-like-a-rhinoceros/
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)is that it has the unintended consequence of NEVER letting in any other opinion or perspective. You develop a tendency to only consider valid your own points of view and that's never a good idea.
DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Subject: Hillary Clinton tells girls they have to toughen up.
Discuss.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)But seriously, she does fine work. For a change. so much better to hear this than to hear about her enabling corrupt energy concerns.
Many millions of corporate dollars will also lighten her burden in the field of politics. I like when she laughs it off. A sense of humor is a nice form of armor.
A woman like say, Warren, just does an excellent job at what she does. That's good advice, too. That's a good way to not be so much like a "political creature". If only there were some way to fill these elected positions from outside of the wealthy professional-political class.
It's not easy. Voters need a skin like a rhino.
Renew Deal
(81,894 posts)I don't think she's talking about policy differences. She's talking about personal attacks based on gender.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I do that sometimes.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
Renew Deal
(81,894 posts)But female politicians seem to have it worse. We know Hillary has probably had it worse than anyone in recent US history.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)women in the entertainment industry need to have very supple, smooth, creamy rhino skin too.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)And feet the shape of stiletto heels. No wonder why when they've gotten to the top, many have gone insane.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)sane to begin with.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)I never saw anything like the 2008 primaries. Progressive women ripping her apart in every way possible. When you consider how hard she has fought for the rights of women all over the world for decades, you think they would at least be civil.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)I wonder what these same people think now, since politically speaking, Obama and Hillary could be twins.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)People are hurt. Young people are hurt and disappointed. Older folks thought they saw in Obama the spirit of our murdered President Kennedy.
We no longer get progressives. I pray that young people fight this terrible electoral machine rather than turn away in disappointment.
Clinton would have...and will be...worse than Obama in welcoming corporate ownership of this nation.
It would be nice to be surprised
Clinton has a history, it's not good, despite her recent and excellent tour as Sec of state. It's not enough to wipe the slate clean.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Considering where he got the money and power to get elected, he would never pass your purity test today.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)the Third Way® right wing purity test?
Walk away
(9,494 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)rights. See what happened to the women of Iraq eg, once educated with equal pay for equal work, free to wear whatever they wanted, now afraid to go out of their homes for a walk, let alone go to work. Millions of them are now living in refugee camps, hundreds of thousands more have lost their babies, their husbands, their parents.
Has she ever addressed the rape of Iraqi and Afghan women by US troops, in Abu Ghraib and elsewhere?
Words, I judge people by their actions, not their words. As a lifelong supporter of women's rights, I could never support illegal invasions of other countries as I know what that does to everyone, but women become particularly vulnerable when we break down their infrastructure.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)And you would know that if you were not so quick to jump on the lieabouthillary bandwagon. She has worked her entire life for women around the world. Is she perfect? Of course not. But, she is held to a higher standard.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)particular, which has devasted the entire country and reduced women to nothing. SHE SUPPORTED and still does afaik, that egregious violation of human rights.
She cannot seriously claim to support women's rights and not have at least finally come to the conclusion that she was wrong. There were no WMDs in Iraq, I have heard others who foolishly supported invasion, finally admit, too late, that they were wrong.
If she has joined them, I have not seen it. I saw her support for the Libya invasion, has she addressed the murders and rapes of women from sub Saharan Africa who were caught in the crossfire of that atrocity?
If she has directly addressed all these women and apologized to them for supporting the destruction of their lives and all of their human rights, then please link to it.
I did not support her because of her support for these horrific wars.
Where is the lie in my comment? Did she or did she not support all of these Bush wars? I also remember he prevarication on torture. I do not support people who promote human rights abuses and the entire Iraq Debacle was one massive human rights abuse which is still going on as we totally destroyed that country.
If you have links to her addressing what we did to those women, I'd like to see them.
But no one who supports women's rights supports unnecessary wars for profit.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)Google is your friend. And it would be nice if people would research rather than just regurgitate lies.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)is now seen as sexist and anti-women.......
The "non gender-identified magical apparition" is out of the bottle, the youth of today were not taught the same "gentlemanly" values we were, at least not from I see day to day in public.
I'm a lucky guy, I've got a woman that appreciates the little "extras" women deserve. At the same time she can rip off a "that's not what your mom said" joke at the skeet range.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)Flanked by her daughter, Chelsea, and philanthropist Melinda Gates, Clinton focused on womens economic empowerment as she spoke in support of the No Ceilings project a joint venture of the Clinton Foundation and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation that seeks to empower women and girls by aggregating the best data on their contributions to society and security.
In case you can't figure it out the answer is zero.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)Where did it say anything about her fee to give a speech >
I find it hard to believe a Clinton has EVER given a speech for "zero".
DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)been paying attention for the past 30 years. Strike that - for you entire adult life.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)You could not have responded more predictably if I had written that response FOR you.
I'm thinking YOU didn't actually read the article, but I'm sure you've been this sweet "you entire adult life".
enjoy the week-end, but where's the fun in that huh ?
DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)making stuff up, is also called lying. Where does it say anything about her pay being Zero ?
I always have fun, otherwise what's the point ?
DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of Iraq and Afghanistan for the rapes and murders perpetrated on them by invading armies, the ones she supported? I wonder if she has even followed the dreadful plight of those women since her vote to support the brutal, illegal Iraq invasion?
It's hard to have 'skin like a rhinocerous' when there are bombs dropping on your home, or you have been dragged off to some gulag where you are abused and raped etc. That's what the wars she supports does to women.
No Women's Right advocate supports War. None that I know anyhow, because they know what happens to women in war.
DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)Yep. Awful. Terrible.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I understand, there never was any defense for it.
Snide responses in attempts to distract from the reality that she did support, all of these wars where women have been decimated in every possible way only emphasizes how impossible it is to defend it.
The President at the time, BUSH could not have done it without all those who shamefully supported him.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Let's see what she has to say to you.
BTW, if instead of spewing drivel you bothered to read the article, you would know the answer.
Unbelievable, the crap one has to read in this place..........
Wilms
(26,795 posts)WTF is that supposed to mean?
Anyways...here's a thought
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/hillary-clinton-is-a-very-well-paid-speaker.html
Unbelievable, the crap that supplants democracy.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)The funny thing is that in essence I'll bet they both agree with what you actually asked. The impulse to condescend is too ingrained in some.
I don't think a Clinton, or any other politician has ever given a speech for free, but was she paid as much as Bill would have been is a valid question. Making shit up was not a valid answer.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)You guys are so funny.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Therefore, of course it was a free speech.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)Founders of Foundations do educational events in order to further the purpose and mission of said Foundation the Founders don't get paid.
I would also assume that in order to do this event the Foundation had to pay NYU for use of the facilities, etc.
Would you ever suggest that the President gets paid for the State of the Union address?
Beacool
(30,253 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)I took his comment as a reference to her theoretical pay as opposed to a mans pay.
I'll ask you too though, where in the article does it even mention her pay ?
Feel a similar vibe from you as I got from another poster, where does it say anything about her pay ?
I'll say it again, I can't imagine a scenario where a Clinton would give a speech for zero pay.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)But that just proves how inane it is.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)I know why you can't tell me where in the article her pay is mentioned, because it's not in the article.
the other do-gooder got all twisted up as well, the original post that started this was relevant to.... was she paid as much as Bill would have been, .....at least that's my opinion on what the poster was implying. And a fair question based on the articles content.
Too many Hillary supporters get all bunched up as a force of habit, even though nobody is hacking on her. She SHOULD get paid for her speeches why wouldn't she, politicians get paid for speeches.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Both Clintons give plenty of free speeches. Your assertion that they never give free speeches is not true. Actually, the ratio is probably higher for free speeches than paid ones.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)Lets swing back to this speech, how do you know it was free ?
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Go figure it out yourself.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I didn't know that then, I will repeat, no supporter of Women's Rights supports illegal invasions of their countries. I have never heard her address the plight of the millions of women whose freedom and lives were destroyed by the wars she supported.
I would send her some reports from those war zones and ask her how she feels about her support now that we know what those wars did to the women who live/lived (many had their human rights totally removed and are no longer here to tell us how their 'women's rights' survived those brutal invasions. But I am sure she knows. When you have skin as thick as a rhinocerous you don't allow such things to change your mind about Imperial, wars for profit.
I guess my skin isn't that thick. As a Women's Rights advocate I oppose invading countries having seen what war does to women.
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
treestar
(82,383 posts)the Repubs are vile no matter what the sex, etc. Though they will use their bigotry against female leaders to make it worse. That comment is OK if it is meant to point to their hypocrisy. But then they will want to punish women, etc., who "step out of line."
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Another first lady who was vilified by many. Hillary has been saying that for many years and it applies to her to a T. If she had to worry about all the nastiness spewed at her and her family, she wouldn't even get out of bed in the morning. So she ignores the hate and listens only to those whose opinion she respects and values. Good advice for anyone, if you ask me.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Welfare reform, NAFTA, the chronic closeness with big business.
Absolutely. Fucking. Appalled.
I resent her riding on Eleanor's good work. And her husband's disgusting part in dismantling all that FDR worked himself to death for with The New Deal.
What happened to history in this country, for god's sake? It's all about personality and salesmanship.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Given the situation, FDR would have been in the same place. With the depression as bad as it was and a more D Congress, he had far more political capital. If he had the same challenges as Democrats of today, it would be quite similar (in fact a lot of the left would have rejected him for being of an old rich family).
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)he verbally and politically demolished republicans repeatedly, endlessly.
All I see is footsy today.
I'm quite sure of what I stated, regardless.
The only "situation" we have today is that people are convinced that they must choose whom the wealthy abusers have pre-chosen for them
And also some fervid few scurrying about, trouncing them on the head to comply with that theory, despite what history and experience and observation reveals to them.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That would have met today with accusations of doing nothing. Just talk.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)She quotes Eleanor because she admires her. I sincerely doubt that Eleanor would be "disgusted" by Hillary. Don't project your bias on people who are long dead and can't refute you.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The goal is to treat women with exactly the respect one treats men.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)but Hillary is of the generation where talk like that is ingrained and still used.
I don't like being called 'the fairer sex' because why do I have to be more fair than men! for one thing
- or is it 'fair' as in complexion?
anyway, time for that old saying to go away.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)especially DUers!
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)but a rhino also has a big, sharp horn too. It can kill an attacker. Right?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Now that can make for Really tough times, which Hillary has never and will never see the likes of.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)What kind of reasoning is that??????????
Whisp
(24,096 posts)If she were really protecting human and women's rights, that should include everyone all over the world, and we know that is not true as she likes to stumble into dumb wars. Proably to prove something about how tough she is. tough tough, yeh Hillary, we know you like that word.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)That logic makes no sense. Go back to playing in the snow with your tiny fleabag.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I mean it.
I know how you operate, Bea.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)I've seen its pic. It's a cutie. Boy or girl?