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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:49 AM Feb 2014

But I thought that Waterboarding wasn't torture...

First the Link. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/14/paediatrician-waterboarded-girl-12

Then the snip.

A Delaware paediatrician known for his research on paranormal science and near-death experiences with children has been convicted of waterboarding the daughter of his longtime companion by holding her head under a faucet.

Melvin Morse, 60, was charged with three felonies: two for alleged waterboarding and one for alleged suffocation by hand. He was convicted of one felony waterboarding in the bathtub and five misdemeanours. Jurors reduced the second waterboarding charge to a misdemeanour and acquitted Morse of the suffocation charge.


Our Government said that Waterboarding wasn't torture, but it was unplesant, so why the conviction?

http://www.npr.org/2014/01/07/260155065/cia-lawyer-waterboarding-wasnt-torture-then-and-isnt-torture-now

Apparently the jury thought it was torture, and when the sentence is handed down the sixty year old man will certainly get the rest of his life to consider the actions.

Shame we couldn't see similar punishment handed out to those who did it with the Government's blessings.
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ck4829

(35,096 posts)
2. Somebody should call up Yoo and the rest of them and ask them their opinions on this
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:58 AM
Feb 2014

Based on things they themselves said, this man is innocent.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. Isn't it interesting how as soon as these things we keep hearing are not illegal from our Government
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:00 AM
Feb 2014

and their apologists, get into regular people's court, spying on the American people, Torture etc, they are declared illegal.

The lies and obfuscations the US Government has engaged in to try to justify the crimes they have committed are amazing.

Real courts are where these issues belong. Under oath. Not in these secret courts where mass warrants, something else new they have decided to introduce without an amendment to the Constitution which is what it would take, are issued for millions of people with no oversight. Well there is SECRET oversight.

The people need to sue the government for all the damage done to them by Bush policies all of which are still in effect.

okaawhatever

(9,478 posts)
5. the politicians were referring to torture as defined by the Geneva Convention. This is state law.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:03 AM
Feb 2014

A little bit different but hey, don't let a little thing like facts mess up your argument.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
7. So it's OK as long as the CIA doesn't do it in Delaware?
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:16 AM
Feb 2014

Good to know.

Note to Agent Smith, don't waterboard in Delaware.

okaawhatever

(9,478 posts)
8. Did I say it was okay? That wasn't the issue. Your question was about it's legality. Legal and moral
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 02:12 AM
Feb 2014

are two different issues, as are treatment of enemy combatants and treatment of your own children.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
11. Perhaps you should read up on some things.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 06:30 AM
Feb 2014

Like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_Against_Torture

Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.


Check out who signed this Convention in 1988, and ratified it in 1994.

By the way, lawful sanction means incarcerated into a cell like other prisoners. No court would have issued as punishment for a crime the practice of waterboarding.

Just because the Government says it's perfectly acceptable, doesn't mean it's perfectly acceptable.
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
9. Remember all the CIA torturers that Obama sent to prison....oh, wait..we have to look forward.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 04:00 AM
Feb 2014

And, eat our peas while we're at it.

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