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littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:30 PM Feb 2014

well this isn't going to end well.

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/new-mexico-begins-training-cops-use-deadly-force-less/

I have a real bad feeling about this.

NEW MEXICO — All new police cadets will be trained to use more deadly force, thanks to a new curriculum by director of the state’s Law Enforcement Academy. That training emphasis will take place in a cadet program that has been shortened by six full weeks.
Jack Jones, a retired Army colonel, was granted sole authority by the LEA over the training curriculum given to all of New Mexico’s new recruits. He says the old model was too restrictive with the use of deadly force.
“Evil has come to the state of New Mexico. Evil has come to the Southwest. Evil has come to the United States,” Jones said to the Santa Fe New Mexican.

snip

A former instructor named Phillip Gallegos says he was fired by Jones because he refused to teach cadets Jones’ controversial philosophy about shooting fleeing vehicles.
“This is the thing — why are you shooting at a car? You should be shooting at the individual that is shooting at you,” Gallegos said.
Another thing Mr. Jones disagrees with is teaching cadets to go for their baton when an unarmed person goes hands-on with them as an officer. The new director believes that is “too restrictive” on the use of force.

snip

When journalists filed an official request for a copy the academy’s new curriculum, Jones refused, saying it would give criminals an edge.
“I’ll burn them before you get them,” he told The New Mexican.

snip

The decision to train cadets to shoot at fleeing vehicles comes at a sensitive time for New Mexicans. In October of last year, a New Mexico State Trooper opened fire on a minivan containing a mother and 5 children that was fleeing a traffic stop. A month later, a New Mexico State Police officer shot a female driver in the back of the head for trying to evade a traffic stop.
These officers were trained under the old standards that were too “restrictive” for the modern cop.
Should New Mexicans expect a rise in deadly shootings from the students of Col. Jones?

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well this isn't going to end well. (Original Post) littlewolf Feb 2014 OP
Col. Jones is right about one thing... BillZBubb Feb 2014 #1
Good god. Sheriff Joe's malignancy is spreading. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #2
I do not think I would want to travel to AZ any time soon. nt littlewolf Feb 2014 #3
If you don't want to visit AZ that is fine. former9thward Feb 2014 #6
LOL your right it is early and I am tired. I ment NM thanks for the catch. nt littlewolf Feb 2014 #7
Bet some of them are from Chicago... Thor_MN Feb 2014 #11
I am one of them. former9thward Feb 2014 #27
Yup, knew that. Thor_MN Feb 2014 #28
Summary justice is billh58 Feb 2014 #4
Thus ensuring you are more likely to be killed by a cop A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #5
cops are becoming a paramilitary force, just as history predicts... pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #12
you're absolutely right. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #19
Gallegos was right and Jones is a dangerous psychopathic idiot. Warpy Feb 2014 #8
Please tell me Martinez won't get ANOTHER term. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #9
I wish I could, but she's been staying out of view for a while Warpy Feb 2014 #10
I really don't know what say about this nt MrScorpio Feb 2014 #13
Shooting at a fleeing car? It's now death to blow a stop sign? TreasonousBastard Feb 2014 #14
New Mexico must have lots of taxpayer money they need to give to attorneys. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #15
Ya know what, if you can't stop this guy politically, I'd contact the insurance company for the okaawhatever Feb 2014 #16
Has anything about this guy been posted in local papers? nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #17
Nope, this isn't going to end well at all. Brigid Feb 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #20
NM cops are fearful - therefore dangerous. alittlelark Feb 2014 #21
Did NM leave the Union when I was not watching? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #22
No, it's not going to end well at all. Unfortunately, I see a rise in officers getting shot during Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #23
Makes sense. Turbineguy Feb 2014 #24
You'll stay in your house and keep quiet RandiFan1290 Feb 2014 #25
The Militarization of Police continues Savannahmann Feb 2014 #26
bad idea Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #29

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. Col. Jones is right about one thing...
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:35 PM
Feb 2014

Evil has come to New Mexico in the form of him and his fanaticism.

former9thward

(32,136 posts)
6. If you don't want to visit AZ that is fine.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:52 PM
Feb 2014

We have enough refugees from other states here. But the OP is about a completely different state.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
4. Summary justice is
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:45 PM
Feb 2014

becoming all the rage for the police and for Second Amendment absolutists. 30,000 gun deaths a year is such a mediocre number -- let's go for 50,000, and show the world that we really are number one in instant crime solutions.

 

pragmatic_dem

(410 posts)
12. cops are becoming a paramilitary force, just as history predicts...
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:01 AM
Feb 2014

With jobs, opportunity, education and justice you don't need a police state to keep order.

As US income disparity and injustice continues to grow, so will the police state. The rich will never shy away from spending money to protect their entitlements from the lesser classes.

People pretend they don't notice. They refuse to acknowledge it. But everyone sees it. The US has become a police state protecting the scumbags who spent the last 40 years sucking wealth out of the middle class.

And with the "new democrats" nearly impossible to distinguish from 1980 neo-cons, things are going to continue get worse before they get better.

Things won't change until Citizens United is thrown out. Right after Hell freezes over.







BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
19. you're absolutely right.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:54 AM
Feb 2014

Create deepening chaos by taking what people need to survive, and hoarding it for themselves.....

There can be no other choice but to protect themselves from the predictable enflamed reactions of the *ahem*subhuman mongrels*ahem* (all of us, not just PBO)

Warpy

(111,437 posts)
8. Gallegos was right and Jones is a dangerous psychopathic idiot.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 12:02 AM
Feb 2014

Thanks for this. Jones must be one of Gov. Martinez's pets. I can't see anyone else tolerating him.

Warpy

(111,437 posts)
10. I wish I could, but she's been staying out of view for a while
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 12:06 AM
Feb 2014

and a lot of people vote the name, not the person.

Add to that a certain amount of the usual Democratic apathy in an off year, and the Tejana teabagger might just get a second term.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
15. New Mexico must have lots of taxpayer money they need to give to attorneys.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:44 AM
Feb 2014

Because this is a disaster in the making.

The coming blowback against police that think they are an occupying army in this nation will not end well.

okaawhatever

(9,478 posts)
16. Ya know what, if you can't stop this guy politically, I'd contact the insurance company for the
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:46 AM
Feb 2014

state police and ask them how much this will make the state insurance premiums go up. I'd make darn sure the insurance underwriter got his hands on that manual.

While I'd like to see Martinez voted out of office and this guy removed for the obvious reason that he's unqualified to do this job, if it can't be done that way, get it done where you can.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
18. Nope, this isn't going to end well at all.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:48 AM
Feb 2014

Any attorneys who specialize in tort law might want to consider moving there.

Response to littlewolf (Original post)

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
21. NM cops are fearful - therefore dangerous.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 02:46 AM
Feb 2014

I have been back and forth for years. YES - parts of the city are going under - 'R' Governor ignores it. The police are undereducated and fearful for the most part.... the older ones are generally OK, but I have seen very disturbing behavior from the 30's and under crowd.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
22. Did NM leave the Union when I was not watching?
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 02:50 AM
Feb 2014

There is SCOTUS law on fleeing vehicles. I hope his state has a lot of extra cash. The rulings are not in favor of shooting at fleeing vehicles. This us just for starters. I hear the state is beautiful though. Yet probably not in my travel plans now.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
23. No, it's not going to end well at all. Unfortunately, I see a rise in officers getting shot during
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 04:14 AM
Feb 2014

"routine" traffic stops for many factors. It could be something as simple as someone with a small amount of drugs on them, along with a gun, to felons possessing guns and up to major traffickers getting stopped. They'll figure if they try to run they are going to get shot at, so they might as well save the trouble and shoot the cop as he is walking up to the car.

I hate to say it, but watch and see. This IS going to happen, as long as this Jack Jones is in charge and this is the way new recruits are being trained.

As for this part:

When journalists filed an official request for a copy the academy’s new curriculum, Jones refused, saying it would give criminals an edge.
“I’ll burn them before you get them,” he told The New Mexican.
{emphasis mine}

This sounds like a job for Anonymous!

Peace,

Ghost

Turbineguy

(37,412 posts)
24. Makes sense.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 07:16 AM
Feb 2014

If you are just going to teach police to shoot people you can cut down on all that law enforcement and constitutional rights stuff.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
26. The Militarization of Police continues
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 07:32 AM
Feb 2014

By hiring former military to train the police to behave as though they are in Afghanistan.

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