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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTaking Chained CPI off the table was good. But we need a larger Course Correction
I think taking CCPI off the table for now is a good step....But rather than being part of a brilliant strategy, it is simply correcting one aspect of an ineffective approach to politics and governing.
Some on DU and elsewhere have lambasted "hair on fire progressives" for getting too worked up over President Obama's original willingness to use the Chained CPI for Social Security benefits as part of the larger process of negotiating a "grand bargain" with the GOP....."Don't worry," they said. "President Obama knows the GOP cant accept that offer. He's just using it to make them look inflexible."
The premise seems to be that this is all about creating perceptions among "swing" voters of the Democrats as the reasonable party compared to those hardheaded Republicans.
IMO the fallacy of that is mixing up perceptions of behavior with philosophy.
Sure, the GOP has not been doing themselves any favors with their sociopathic insistence on slash and burn and their stubborn resistance to negotiation. They look like a combination of jerks and spoiled crybabies.
However, ultimately they are succeeding in their goals by pushing the agenda ever farther to the right, because the centrist Democrats are echoing their message, instead of presenting an actual alternative to their Paul Ryan/Grover Norquist/Ayn Rnd vision of the world.
The basic fact of the matter is that ultimately, the problem our nation faces right now is not the result of wild government spending on "entitlements" and other public needs. It is the result of the reckless and destructive financial behavior of the private sector over the last 30 years coming home to roost.
The economy did not crash because people were getting too many SS benefits or the government was too generous with food stamps.
Let's stop advancing the GOP lies that claim such things. That is what we do when we say "Yes government spending is the problem. The first priority is to join with te GOP to reduce government and bring spending down."
Rather than looking like the responsible party, the Democrats have become perceived as the weak sibling because of that.
By agreeing with the GOP on the wrong thing, all we are doing is making the GOP's point in the mind of the public.
Although the GOP is harming their own image with antics like the shutdown, etc. the Democrats do not look like a good alternative in the eyes of the low-information apolitical voter. They simply lump in the Democrats as part of the problem.
And, worse, yet, the vacillating behavior of the Democratic leadership advances the goals of the GOP.
Up until the last few years, even the GOP had better sense than to screw around with even the perception of tampering with Social Security benefits.
Sure, they tried to do that in other ways such as pushing "private investment alternatives" and by broad scare tactics about how "Social Security is going broke!" But they knew that they had to be evasive about it, and always promised to leave benefits alone and pretending to want to "save" SS.
But, since 2008 especially, the Democrats participated in advancing the overall GOP agenda by echoing the Republican claims that government was in deep financial shit, and the only way to stave off the disaster was "austerity, cut,austerity,cut."....But at the same time the Democrats have also given lip srvice to the position that taxes also needed to be raised.
So on one hand here has been the GOP saying -- "Cut and No Taxes" while Democrats, under the "centrist" Obama faction saying "Cut and More Taxes."
By doing so we are giving voters the choice of the worst of both worlds. The Democrats become the Castor Oil Party. And, worse, the ineffectual party.
And worse, by offering up an "adjustment" in the form of CCPI, Obama opened that door that even the GOP was afraid to open before.
I believe instead, it would have been (could be) totally possible for the Democrats to be a Party of Strong Principles (defending an advancing SS and other public services) while also being the party of Responsible Adults -- by both standing up for our own principles but being willing to actually compromise -- but NOT by starting out accepting the wrong premises and terms of the GOP.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"But, since 2008 especially, the Democrats participated in advancing the overall GOP agenda by echoing the Republican claims that government was in deep financial shit, and the only way to stave off the disaster was 'austerity, cut,austerity,cut.'....But at the same time the Democrats have also given lip srvice to the position that taxes also needed to be raised."
...taxes were raised, and people need to acknowledge that. I mean think about where things stand despite Republicans obstruction.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024540032
Krugman: Obama and the One Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024391415
The heatlh care law also raised the payroll tax for high income earners and taxed investment income.
A new Net Investment Income Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 3.8 percent Net Investment Income Tax applies to individuals, estates and trusts that have certain investment income above certain threshold amounts. The IRS and the Treasury Department have issued proposed regulations on the Net Investment Income Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Net Investment Income Tax, see our questions and answers.
Additional Medicare Tax
A new Additional Medicare Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 0.9 percent Additional Medicare Tax applies to an individuals wages, Railroad Retirement Tax Act compensation, and self-employment income that exceeds a threshold amount based on the individuals filing status. The threshold amounts are $250,000 for married taxpayers who file jointly, $125,000 for married taxpayers who file separately, and $200,000 for all other taxpayers. An employer is responsible for withholding the Additional Medicare Tax from wages or compensation it pays to an employee in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year. The IRS and the Department of the Treasury have issued proposed regulations on the Additional Medicare Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Additional Medicare Tax, see our questions and answers.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions
This is great progress, but it will take overhauling the tax code to make a significant "correction."
Ore. Sen. Wyden gives tax overhaul top priority
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024467503
2banon
(7,321 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I pretty much agree with where you want to go though.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The Magistrate
(95,264 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Back before the crash of 2007, the DLC (3rd Way, "New Democrats" was open and public about pushing for "Private Retirement Accounts".
"Reforming" Social Security by giving our FICA Deductions to their friends on Wall Street was one of the MAIN GOALS listed on their front page.
Since the crash, they have been less public about this goal, but these same people, funded by the same Corporate sources are still in power in the leadership of the Democratic Party.
Private Retirement Accounts (WallStreetization of our SS) was a main feature of the DLC's "Dream Initiative",
spearheaded by non other than Hillary Clinton.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3805069
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)So your characterization of how the Dems are viewed is false.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But its' the polling equivalent of damning with faint praise.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)are successful and present a powerful message and alternative! When we accept the faulty premise of republican right wing framing and try to negotiate from the farthest end of tolerable, we look weak, rudderless and of no alternative. Even if we have the wind at our back and we accept the right wing's framing, we lose. It's maddening. Thanks for putting to words many of my thoughts.