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napkinz
(17,199 posts)February 21, 2014
by Rika Christensen
Former congressman and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) has no idea how this country was founded. Apparently, the U.S. went astray when we allowed our government to be secular. According to an interview on the Global Evangelism Television Network (GETV), DeLay thinks weve forgotten that God founded this country, and that God wrote our Constitution.
[font size="3"]Say what?[/font]
This is worse than absurd, even for Tom DeLay. He served in Congress for over 20 years, so he should know something of U.S. history. Its bad enough that our elected members of the religious right think this country was founded on Biblical law. Its also pretty bad that they see the word creator in the Declaration of Independence and automatically assume that the founding fathers intended for the U.S. to be a Christian nation.
Men, not God, founded this country on many different principles. The most important, and the central principle of our country, is freedom. That includes religious freedom. Tom DeLays idea that God founded this country and wrote the Constitution is disturbing at best, because it takes the We are a Christian nation myth to a whole new, terrible level.
Tom DeLay said, back in October, that we need to have a Constitutional renewal and revival. This, of course, would go hand-in-hand with whatever spiritual revival he sees going on in this country. God has, apparently, called for just such a revival to bring this country back to him.
read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/02/21/tom-delay-god-us-constitution/
longship
(40,416 posts)By the way, the guy who wrote and championed the first pledge was a socialist. Look it up.
R&
napkinz
(17,199 posts)MineralMan
(146,351 posts)So, anyone who does say that has clearly not read both.
You can go through the Constitution and try to find anything in the Bible that backs anything written in the Constitution. You will fail miserably. There isn't anything.
The Constitution describes a form of government, explains how it is set up and how it will operate. That's it. There's nothing religious in it at all. In fact, there are parts of the Constitution that make it clear that religion has no place in government.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Republicans, Teabaggers, Birthers, Freepers don't read.
They watch FOX.
Some of them probably cannot read.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)edit: for any freepers reading this, make that "THEIR STILL LERNING HOW TOO SPELL"
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Leave my daugters alone!
Is that like a leer in waiting?
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)It's what we do.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Teabaggers, turn off FOX and watch ...
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Whenever I see someone who makes such a statement, I know that person is not a reader. They're just blowing smoke up people's legs.
Once, I posted a DU poll, though, asking how many people had read the Constitution from beginning to end within the past year. Not many answered that they had. As a nation, most of its citizens are woefully unfamiliar with our fundamental documents.
The same can be said of most Christians with regard to the Bible. Most Christians have read very little of it.
Oddly enough, most atheists I have met have read it thoroughly. I find that amusing.
I read the Constitution from top to bottom each year on July 4. That's an easy date to remember, and it's not a long document.
I have read the entire Bible front to back six times in my life, and much of it more often than that.
I am an atheist.
Initech
(100,139 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)nt
napkinz
(17,199 posts)One of the many attacks on our country from the Religious Right is the claim that our country is a Christian Nation...not just that the majority of people are Christians, but that the country itself was founded by Christians, for Christians. However, a little research into American history will show that this statement is a lie. Those people who spread this lie are known as Christian Revisionists. They are attempting to rewrite history, in much the same way as holocaust deniers are. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true. They were Freethinkers who relied on their reason, not their faith.
If the U.S. was founded on the Christian religion, the Constitution would clearly say so--but it does not. Nowhere does the Constitution say: "The United States is a Christian Nation", or anything even close to that. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution -- not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day -- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had.
The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea that the power to rule over other people comes from god. It was a letter from the Colonies to the English King, stating their intentions to seperate themselves. The Declaration is not a governing document. It mentions "Nature's God" and "Divine Providence"-- but as you will soon see, that's the language of Deism, not Christianity.
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None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Some people speculate that if Charles Darwin had lived a century earlier, the Founding Fathers would have had a basis for accepting naturalistic origins of life, and they would have been atheists. We'll never know; but by reading their own writings, it's clear that most of them were opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular.
read more: http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
napkinz
(17,199 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,416 posts)The Christian Revisionists drive me nuts. Problem is, there is no reasoning with them.
They are so convinced they have the one true answer to everything and the facts
be damned. Barry Goldwater had it exactly right.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)He was prescient.
(To think he was the old definition of far-right. Today Goldwater would be branded an apostate.)