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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStupidest law I've heard of in quite a while...
Kathleen Parker at the Washington Post wrote about it.
"Elsewhere the zeitgeist was buzzing about proposed legislation in California that would codify the terms of consent in sexual relations among college students. Saying "yes" apparently isn't good enough. Now yes needs to be persistent throughout the act."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kathleen-parker-sex-after-drinking-and-the-war-on-men/2014/02/21/f2738d36-9b46-11e3-9080-5d1d87a6d793_story.html
So in other words, I'd have to say:
"Can I...?" "Yes"
"Can I...?" "Yes"
"Can I...?" "Yes"
"Can I...?" "Yes"
"Can I...?" "Yes"
"Can I...?" "Yes"
Ad infinitum...
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Affirmative consent reduces the act of sex to a contractual arrangement. Best to get a notarized statement and have at least 3 witnesses while yer at it.
petronius
(26,608 posts)http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB967
It's not exactly Cherry 2000...
Cirque du So-What
(26,025 posts)Quoting an Ann Coulter wannabee? The darling of FreeKKKRepubliKKK? ?Really?
How far this place has sunk
Is it really so important to keep stirring the shit over some imaginary 'war on men' by posting the execrable ruminations of this vacuous twit?
What, praytell, is sofa king bad about this language - from the actual text of the actual bill itself?
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB967
It in no way resembles what Kathleen Parker - and now you, apparently - feverishly insist.
Archae
(46,369 posts)And even if this Parker woman is a Coulter wannabe, this law is simply stupid.
You know, broken clocks being correct twice a day...
Squinch
(51,075 posts)and says stop, then stop."
Good God! The suggestion that this is some kind of persecution of men is just jaw dropping.
You are right. How far this place has sunk.
Thanks for posting the actual wording of this completely benign bill.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)The bills says if either partner stops consenting during sex, or becomes unconscious, then the sex needs to stop.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)You have to continually have consent. If at some point you question whether you still have consent, you should ask to make sure, but my guess is that you know when your partner is consenting to sex because she shows you or expresses consent in some other way than with "yes." That kind of show of consent works too.
The point is that if someone stops consenting during sex, it stops.
Archae
(46,369 posts)Had the blue balls to show for it!
I'm sure I'm not the only guy here who's gone out with a "tease."
But unlike the "entitled class" of team sports players in say football and basketball, if the woman says no, I do accept it.
And I've never wanted to go out with a girl who was so drunk she passes out.
But I'm not going to keep asking her, like I said in the OP.
Lex
(34,108 posts)pnwmom
(109,021 posts)is pretending it says.
The point of the law is that even after a person has consented to sexual activities, s/he can withdraw consent to further activities. Does anyone here really have an issue with that?
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB967
"Consent must be present throughout sexual activity, and at any time, a participant can communicate that he or she no longer consents to continuing the sexual activity. If there is confusion as to whether a person has consented or continues to consent to sexual activity, it is essential that the participants stop the activity until the confusion can be clearly resolved."
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)For it to sink into Archae's head?
Archae
(46,369 posts)If she is a conservative, that would be standard M. O.
While this law isn't what I thought it would be, (like I said in the OP,) the whole question of consent is a murky one.
Especially in the "throes of passion," so to speak.
Squinch
(51,075 posts)stop.
Are you seriously arguing anything else?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)who then tries to throw a smoke bomb in order to escape.
"...the whole question of consent is a murky one."
*smoke bomb*
Shit, shit, wait, where did Archae go?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)What the law says, pared down to spoken english-ese, is "If they say stop, consent has ended and you stop doing that." it takes common sense and simply applies a penalty if you behave senselessly.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)If you're not making sure you're partner is having at least as much fun as you are you're doing it wrong. That doesn't mean filling out forms in triplicate, it means "hey, what if I? Oh, you like that do you?" etc.
Squinch
(51,075 posts)then stop."
The rest of this is just someone's persecution complex.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)and the entire process got incorporated into hookup culture.