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babylonsister

(171,107 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:39 PM Feb 2014

NYT: What the Stimulus Accomplished

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/opinion/sunday/what-the-stimulus-accomplished.html?_r=0

What the Stimulus Accomplished

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
FEB. 22, 2014



Of all the myths and falsehoods that Republicans have spread about President Obama, the most pernicious and long-lasting is that the $832 billion stimulus package did not work. Since 2009, Republican lawmakers have inextricably linked the words “failed” and “stimulus,” and last week, five years after passage of the Recovery Act, they dusted off their old playbook again.

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So the American Jobs Act was killed, and so was the infrastructure bank and any number of other spending proposals that might have helped the country. The president’s plan to spend another $56 billion on job training, education and energy efficiency, to be unveiled in his budget next month, will almost certainly suffer a similar fate.

This may be the singular tragedy of the Obama administration. Five years later, it is clear to all fair-minded economists that the stimulus did work, and that it did enormous good for the economy and for tens of millions of people. But because it fell short of its goals, and was roundly ridiculed by Republicans and inadequately defended by Democrats, who should have trumpeted its success, the president’s stimulus plan is now widely considered a stumble.

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The legacy of that policy, detailed by the White House last week in its final report on the effects of the stimulus, affects virtually every American who drives, uses mass transit, or drinks water. It improved 42,000 miles of road, fixed or replaced 2,700 bridges, and bought more than 12,000 transit vehicles. It cleaned up water supplies, created the school reforms of the Race to the Top program, and greatly expanded the use of renewable energy and broadband Internet service.

It’s probably too late for the White House to persuade skeptics about its program, but its assessment echoes the views of many independent economists and the independent Congressional Budget Office. “The Recovery Act was not a failed program,” the C.B.O.’s director, Douglas Elmendorf, told annoyed Republican lawmakers in 2012. “Our position is that it created higher output and employment than would have occurred without it.”

Government spending worked, helping millions of people who never realized it. And it can work again, whenever lawmakers agree that putting people to work is more important than winning ideological fights.
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NYT: What the Stimulus Accomplished (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2014 OP
What the Stimulus Accomplished... That No One Knows.. Thansk for posting. K & R. freshwest Feb 2014 #1
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2014 #2
K & R..nt Wounded Bear Feb 2014 #3
Yes, but all the real benefits from the Recovery(tm) went to ... Amonester Feb 2014 #4
Very little of it went to the 1%. Link? Data? nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #5
"How the 1 percent won the recovery, in one table" Amonester Feb 2014 #6
The STIMULUS bill and the recovery are two separate things. The stimulus bill went to the okaawhatever Feb 2014 #8
No, that's why I took the time to add: Amonester Feb 2014 #11
"Incomes Flat in Recovery, but Not for the 1%" - NYT Amonester Feb 2014 #7
Separate issues. The STIMULUS bill was part of the recovery. Two separate issues. The stimulus okaawhatever Feb 2014 #9
You must have missed this from the OP- babylonsister Feb 2014 #12
I did not miss it: All that should be standard government services on a yearly basis. Amonester Feb 2014 #14
ReTHUGs are LIARs malaise Feb 2014 #10
Funny how an article like this doesn't get many rec or even reads. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #13
Too small by half zipplewrath Feb 2014 #15
Rick Perry used it to balance his budget so he could brag on a balanced budget, OOPS. Thinkingabout Feb 2014 #16
the President never defended it after it happened. daybranch Feb 2014 #17
WTF? You are on Jupiter Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #20
Except for, well, every speech he made... Recursion Feb 2014 #21
This should be read by EVERYONE. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #18
The economy was in free fall when Obama took office. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #19

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
4. Yes, but all the real benefits from the Recovery(tm) went to ...
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 08:39 PM
Feb 2014

... the top 1%.

Well, at least millions had or kept jobs they barely benefit from.

okaawhatever

(9,478 posts)
8. The STIMULUS bill and the recovery are two separate things. The stimulus bill went to the
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 09:10 PM
Feb 2014

99%. It benefited the 1%, for example people used their payroll tax break to buy things at Wal Mart and Wal Mart made profit for the 1% but what are we supposed to do, not give the money to the 99% because they will buy things that benefit mega corps?

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
11. No, that's why I took the time to add:
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 09:15 PM
Feb 2014

"Well, at least millions had or kept jobs they barely benefit from."

The point is, I don't blame Obama for this, but the millionaires in Congress who block everything, mostly Republicans.

okaawhatever

(9,478 posts)
9. Separate issues. The STIMULUS bill was part of the recovery. Two separate issues. The stimulus
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 09:12 PM
Feb 2014

allowed 300k teachers, nurses and police who would have been laid off due to a shortage in state revenue. Those people paid their bills and bought things. Do we allow those people to be laid off because when they buy things and pay their mortgage it helps the 1%?

babylonsister

(171,107 posts)
12. You must have missed this from the OP-
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 09:22 PM
Feb 2014
The legacy of that policy, detailed by the White House last week in its final report on the effects of the stimulus, affects virtually every American who drives, uses mass transit, or drinks water. It improved 42,000 miles of road, fixed or replaced 2,700 bridges, and bought more than 12,000 transit vehicles. It cleaned up water supplies, created the school reforms of the Race to the Top program, and greatly expanded the use of renewable energy and broadband Internet service.

Sounds like more than the 1% to me.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
14. I did not miss it: All that should be standard government services on a yearly basis.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 09:27 PM
Feb 2014

And more.

Of course it would mean more taxes... (to those who can afford them, and the 1-10% bracket could easily).

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
15. Too small by half
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 10:24 PM
Feb 2014

It was known at the beginning that the stimulus was too small by at least half. But the administration refused to even propose a stimulus large enough. (negotiating with themselves again). Then they made promises on what it would do, only to then negotiate away the key parts that would have actually achieved those results. Ultimately, they accepted a deal where it would only slow down the rate of unemployment and keep it below 10% or so. So it was a half measure that didn't actually reverse anything, but merely "slowed down the bad".

So it isn't surprising that people aren't exactly celebrating the results. And the administration was left making the argument that "it coulda been worse", which in essence is an admission that it was bad.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
17. the President never defended it after it happened.
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 01:02 AM
Feb 2014

Is the President speaking up now or is he hoping that we can all just get along? I wonder??
Sometimes I wish the President was a little more straight forward and did not always seem so poll driven.
We recognize his risk aversion, and as he says make him do it. Sad but true. I am really glad he is being forced by populist progressives to get rid of that austerity nonsense.
Without a phenomenal effort on the parts of democrats , the damage of catering to austerity idiots will last decades.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
20. WTF? You are on Jupiter
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 03:26 AM
Feb 2014

The editorial itself mentions all of Obama's subsequent efforts for more stimulus programs. He mentioned them all of the time for awhile back in 2009 and 2010.

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