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Privately, San Francisco political leaders expressed doubts about Jones and his strange church. One day a friend of Milks named Tory Hartmann dropped off some boxes of campaign brochures at Peoples Temple, so that Joness army could distribute them. Hartmann was immediately unnerved by the uptight, high-security atmosphere inside the temple, where sentries stood at attention outside each room, like the palace guards in the Wicked Witchs castle. This is a church? Hartmann said to herself. Later, after she sped back to the Castro and told Milk about her bizarre experience, the naturally cheery politician turned deadly serious. Make sure youre always nice to the Peoples Temple, he told her. Theyre weird and theyre dangerous, and you never want to be on their bad side.
Cleve Jones, a young Milk aide, accompanied him to Peoples Temple for a couple of Sunday services. Harvey told me, Be careful, they tape everything. Everyone knew Jim Jones was creepy, everyone knew he was a megalomaniac. But everybody also saw this church full of black and white people black people from the Fillmore who had been subjected to apartheid-like policies and seemed to finally be getting some respect.
Members of Moscones staff were also beginning to hear troubling reports about Peoples Temple. One day mayoral aide Dick Sklar suggested to his family maid an African-American woman who had followed the Sklars to San Francisco from Ohio that she attend a Sunday service at Peoples Temple. I didnt know anything about it, Sklar said, but she was a churchgoing woman, and I thought she might like it. Afterward she came back and said it was the scariest place shed ever been. They searched her, asked her questions. I had no idea.
Moscone himself could not ignore how peculiar his political ally was. I was at every meeting that Jim Jones ever attended with the mayor, said Moscone press secretary Corey Busch. I can tell you that after every one of those meetings, the reaction was, This is one weird bird. He always wore the dark glasses. You couldnt predict Jonestown, but he was definitely weird. In retrospect, maybe we should have seen that, but we didnt.
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/01/jim_jones_sinister_grip_on_san_francisco/
Judi Lynn
(160,656 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Creepy
merrily
(45,251 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)He made himself look compassionate by inviting people in black communities and other disaffected populations into his temple. He met Rosalyn Carter and VP Mondale a few times. His manipulation of compassion and liberal ideas was what made him so effective.
RandySF
(59,643 posts)It looked like a great idea to work with the temple at first and Jones knew in which direction the political winds blew. What's more, he had an army of "volunteers" at his command.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm saying for whatever reason the Bay area on the left at the time was where he was able to recruit his cult. Hence, "a weird time for the left".
merrily
(45,251 posts)What revelance would the words of a person like that about his political beliefs have to sane people of any political leaning?
What an odd thing to say, especially for a Democrat.
former9thward
(32,128 posts)Jones had a long history with the left -- long before he became a "madman". He started attending Communist Party meetings and rallies in 1951. He left the CP when they started to criticize Stalin. He eventually became a Maoist. By the mid-60s he was thinking he was the reincarnation of Lenin. Despite his nuttiness at that time he was a go-to guy for liberals in SF. Moscone credited Jones with his winning the Mayorship and appointed Jones to head up the SF Housing Authority.
In September 1977, California assemblyman Willie Brown served as master of ceremonies at a large testimonial dinner for Jones attended by Governor Jerry Brown and Lieutenant Governor Mervyn Dymally. At that dinner, Brown touted Jones as "what you should see every day when you look in the mirror in the early morning hours... a combination of Martin King, Angela Davis, Albert Einstein... Chairman Mao."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
History is what it is and no one should run away from it.
merrily
(45,251 posts)was doing to people in 1975-77, not anything that he did in 1951.
Reply 2, which is to the OP, says that "it" --the time described in the OP--was a weird time for "the left." Not even just the entire left of San Fransisco, or even the entire left of California, mind you, but a weird time "the left." Most people in the country, left or right, had no idea who Jones was until the tragic events, but that is beside the point. The point is, why would the scary actions of Jones make those years an odd time for "the left?" When questioned the reply was simply that Jones had identified with the left.
Regardless of Jones's activities before 1975-77, I don't think that anything Jones did made 1975 to 1977 an odd time for "the left." I never questioned that Jones may have identified with the left at some point. I said at I found it odd that anyone, especially a Democrat would say that Jones made that period a weird time for "the left." I also find it odd that you interpreted my comments as my running from history.
Do we say that the existence of some religious cult leader today, sane or insane, makes this an odd time for the entire right? Did we say that the pedophile priest scandals made it a weird time for "the right?"
former9thward
(32,128 posts)So that in itself is weird. Political movements have good and bad times. The middle 70s were bad and a lot of people were into stange stuff. The anti-war and student movement had collapsed and people were moving in all different directions. Go back and look at articles in left publications at that time. You will see articles claiming the deaths being attributed to Pol Pot in Cambodia were all "imperialist lies." Yeah, weird.
merrily
(45,251 posts)As I said, most of the people in the country, left or right, never heard of Jones until the killings in Jonestown.
You will see articles claiming the deaths being attributed to Pol Pot in Cambodia were all "imperialist lies."
What does that have to do with 1975-77 having been a weird time for "the left" because Jones identified with the left? In fact, what does that even have to do with most of the left of that day? I doubt a majority of left--meaning anyone from Conservadem to card-carrying members of the Communist Party--were writing those articles or even agreeing with them.
former9thward
(32,128 posts)I guess the Mayor and city council of SF is just a "few". I guess VP Mondale and First Lady Carter were part of the "few". If you don't think Jones was reflective of the left -- and no the left does not consist of "conservadems" -- fine. We disagree.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Conservadems are certainly to the right of the Democratic Party, but they are still left when it comes to the politics of the nation.
RandySF
(59,643 posts)I've seen him speak in person numerous times and he always says whatever comes to mind and then some.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Long before the famous Jones Kool-Aid party, young and enthusiastic teens would mix up Everclear + purple Kool-Aid and called it Purple Jesus. The two always seem related when I hear of either.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)tropical punch rather than purple.
progressoid
(50,011 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Big props for pulling that out!
I love that record!
nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)Every so often, you'll be dancing with a creep.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Weird and creepy, though.
I remember that whole story.. it was surreal.
RandySF
(59,643 posts)I remember reading in The Mayor of Castro Street that two of Harvey Milk's volunteers who were Temple Members were eventually found dead in their home.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)and the appeal of strict religion go hand in hand
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)It chronicles the amazing times (both great and horrific) in San Francisco mainly in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Interesting stuff. I lived through some of that time in the Bay Area but I was a kid so it has been good to revisit things like Patty Hearst, Jim Jones and the Moscone/Milk murders as an adult.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)WatermelonRat
(340 posts)I'm not sure if they specifically predicted a mass suicide, but a lot of people knew that Jones was dangerous and willing to use violence to enforce cult discipline and intimidate outsiders.