Uncle Sam guards our meta data day and night. Won't you think of his freedumbs?

OIL INDEPENDENCE !!11!

What kind of NonSense prompted you to write this?

were fibbing?!?!?! Hard to believe!

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

Where did this come from? Link?

Never mind...found the organizations through the individual

http://www.celdf.org/

http://paulcienfuegos.com/

The thing that impressed me about Paul Cienfuegos' comments was the idea that we tend to 'react' rather than to state what it is we want up front. Which is indicative of sheeple who've allowed their governing responsibilities to be usurped and squashed by corporate interests.

We've always had the ability to fight them, but we forgot how to talk to other people, to relate to other people. Our technologies have simultaneously brought the world together and yet kept us separate at the same time. We can communicate online but have problems talking to each other face-to-face.

- But we're just out of practice......

Don’t try to suggest that non-renewable energy costs are hidden and unfairly compared to renewable energy. Somebodies shorts will creep into their crack.

The morons in my state are beginning to realize it. What it will do to trigger earthquakes in our state is horrendous. As a journalist you might want to interview geologists that I believe are still not bought out by the oil companies in our major universities as well as others.

What can you do without? Fracked gas or water?

How much does it cost in water, energy and other resources to get a gallon out of the ground, transported to a refinery and turned into usable gas/oil? And then how much does that gallon sell for?

And of course, we taxpayers are subsidizing the extraction process.

Further, if the fracking companies had to somehow fix the scarred land and clean the waterways before they move on, how that would factor in to the bottom line?

This CAN'T be a profitable enterprise!

would declare a state of emergency because of the worst drought on record, and simultaneously support fracking.

When did Governor Moonbeam become Governor Lowbeam?

Would be appreciated.

Drought: http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_24933924/california-drought-emergency-declared-by-gov-jerry-brown

Fracking: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92D04320130314?irpc=932

Who would have thought?

I need to find out where other fracking is occurring in California and see what is happening.

Thanks for the informational responses!

While I wished the Legislature had passed a moratorium, I don't believe the governor should overrule the Democratic majority in both houses.

He had equal claim to speak for the people.

Or do you believe the Governor should not use the tools available as the executive?

When life is reduced to an abstract contest between two teams playing in the same league, what difference is there between immediate want and future necessity?

We're determined to go down and to take as much of the planet with us as we can grasp.

A Los Angeles City Council committee took a first step Tuesday toward banning hydraulic fracturing and other disputed practices tied to oil extraction, winning cheers and applause from a packed auditorium.

"Fracking and other unconventional drilling is happening here in Los Angeles, and without the oversight and review to keep our neighborhoods safe," Councilman Mike Bonin told the Planning and Land Use Management Committee.

. . . .

The council is slated to vote Friday to draft new rules that would prohibit hydraulic fracturing and other forms of “well stimulation” in Los Angeles until the council is sure they are safe. City planners were unable to say Tuesday how many drilling sites in Los Angeles might be affected.

Hydraulic fracturing, often referred to as fracking, is a practice of injecting water mixed with chemicals to fracture underground rock, releasing pockets of oil or natural gas.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-los-angeles-fracking-ban-20140225,0,3908061.story?track=rss

Let's hope that LA is setting a new trend.

Other states are moving to curb the effects of fracking.

Colorado Becomes The First State To Regulate Methane Emissions From Fracking
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/02/24/3322651/colorado-methane-fracking/

One can be against fracking and still have to face the realities of the day. The Obama administration has ramped up solar (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024547836) and other clean energy sources. Environmentalists hate the all-of-the-above approach, and rightfully so. Still, there is going to be a transition.

The administation is in a position to try to regulate a problem controlled by states with laws that vary widely from Texas (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024569123#post26) to Vermont, which banned fracking. Still, there is the reality.

The business of a natural gas pipeline in Vermont
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20130908/NEWS01/309080017/Rutland-or-bust

Vermont pipeline expansion reignites fracking debate
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-stream-officialblog/2013/10/4/vermont-pipelineexpansionreignitesfrackingdebate.html

Propane production up, but U.S. shortage looms

on the border between California and Nevada.

We still have a lot more to do.

Los Angeles sits on earthquake faults. The frackers deny it, but the record in Oklahoma and elsewhere suggests too strongly to justify the risk that fracking is associated with earthquakes and may set them off. We just can't risk that here in LA.

The Boxer-Sanders bill would also be a big step forward. Thanks for posting the information on this. It's a shame (the word does not begin to express how terrible it is) that Obama does not have a more responsive Congress at this crucial time for the future of our planet.

and that is terrifying.

Water rights *are* being bought up all over the world by major corporations right now. History shows that the price of water rises exponentially once major corporations are involved.

One and one make two. We face a grave problem in years to come, if we do not get our act together and fight back against this tide of rising corporate domination. We think price gouging and speculation on gasoline are bad....Wait 'til they have control of the world's drinkable water.

Corporations have no conscience, simply by virtue of what they are. They have no morality, no ethics, no loyalty to anything except the bottom line. They exist to profit, and lives and suffering don't figure into the spreadsheets. That is why it is so dangerous to cede our government, our lives, and the lives of our children, to them. They are coming for the world's fresh drinking water. They are coming for our children's education. They are coming for everything.

They intend to corral us to make a profit from every move we make, every need we have, every single aspect of our lives, from the moment we are born to the moment we die. We are not human beings to these corporate ghouls. We are human resources for them to squeeze dry of every cent and discard.

water is worth more than gold. Anything related to water or water conservation or preservation will be valuable.

I hope that didn't sound like I was taking issue. I agreed completely and was adding on.

Seems like you are some sort of rightwing troll for daring to criticize the president.

A shame. Otherwise you might have made a good point. Now you are on the banned list.

..."for deliberately misrepresenting President Obama's positions and actions".

And yes. Yes he is.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

I was born in CA and remember films in school in the 1950's about conserving water. HAH!! What good is oil if people can't grow food to eat??

And all this water wasted is done in the interest of making a very few already filthy rich more wealthy.

hadn't you heard?
the democratic party LOVES fracking..

why else would fracking companies have hired so many ex democratic politician ?
every time i see Ed Rendell on a 'news network' hyping up ANYTHING (let alone fracking).. i literally throw up a lil in my mouth. hate these sellout freaks.

forest fires. Hmm, if they fill up one of those fire fighting helicopter water buckets at a fracking retention pond, will it make the fire burn hotter?

Poisoned, gone they don't recycle it, they inject it into the ground at high pressure which some say is causing earthquakes.
We have substitutes for gas see how long you can go without fresh water

I am sure that we will learn how to economically desalinate water soon. And since the ocean levels will be rising due to climate change, it is a win-win. We can drink the oceans and keep them from flooding the coastal areas. See, we have solutions.

Actually, what you bring up is something that bothers me more than anything else about fracking (and I am bothered by all of it). Fresh water taken out of the water cycle forever seems to be a no-brainer problem.

and much needed infor.

Consider that this is a total amount over multiple years and is distributed across the United States, and it becomes obvious that this figure is irrelevant.

Fracking is terrible. But the water consumption figure quoted isn't exactly an overwhelming statistic.

97 billion gallons of water is minuscule. It sounds like a lot because we are used to thinking about personal or group consumption. But relative to consumption of the population of a country or even a state, it is inconsequential.

(I live in one of the drought-plagued areas, a desert that is chronically short of water--but, hey, I guess I shouldn't be concerned, because, after all, it's such a miniscule amount, in an area of miniscule amounts.)

Local aquifer levels in the Eagle Ford formation have dropped by up to 300ft over the last few years.

A number of small communities in Texas oil and gas country have already run out of water or are in danger of running out of water in days, pushed to the brink by a combination of drought and high demand for water for fracking.

Twenty-nine communities across Texas could run out of water in 90 days, according to the Texas commission on environmental quality. Many reservoirs in west Texas are at only 25% capacity.

Nearly all of the wells in Colorado (97%) were located in areas where most of the ground and surface water is already stretched between farming and cities, the report said. It said water demand for fracking in the state was expected to double to 6bn gallons by 2015 – or about twice as much as the entire city of Boulder uses in a year.

In California, where a drought emergency was declared last month, 96% of new oil and gas wells were located in areas where there was already fierce competition for water.

Annual net consumption of California is 64 million acre feet.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/report/R_211EHChapter2R.pdf

So my number crunching was actually wrong. The real figure is 4/10ths of 1%, not 7/10ths. Which makes it even smaller.

being used? it's okay to use that water in states that are in drought, or are actually deserts? really?

97 billion is a large figure but it means nothing without context.

There are plenty of reasons to despise fracking. The total volume of water used to drill? Not one of them.

"There are plenty of reasons to despise fracking. The total volume of water used to drill? Not one of them. "

Exactly. It's like you said:

"It sounds like a lot because we are used to thinking about personal or group consumption. But relative to consumption of the population of a country or even a state, it is inconsequential. "

Beyond that, this OP is in response to a claim that was challenged by someone. The person made the point in a rude way, but it was still valid: fracking doesn't cause droughts.

Here is the point in the other piece that was challenged:

"the drought-causing national practice of fracking"

Here is the point in this OP:

“Hydraulic fracturing is increasing competitive pressures for water in some of the country’s most water-stressed and drought-ridden regions,” said Mindy Lubber, president of the Ceres green investors’ network."

That's correct, and does not support the claim that fracking is "drought-causing."

Fracking is a practice of injecting water into the ground. The amount of water usage is of concern when the "competitive pressures for water' increase. Given the amount of consumption you cited, this would be a grave concern in a prolonged drought, when water shortages become severe.

A drought is a climate phenomenon that has nothing to do with water consumption.

The orginal claim was challenged, but no one wants to hear the facts...because.

do we even trust them???) small amounts of water are being destroyed in drought-plagued states?



Local aquifer levels in the Eagle Ford formation have dropped by up to 300ft over the last few years.

A number of small communities in Texas oil and gas country have already run out of water or are in danger of running out of water in days, pushed to the brink by a combination of drought and high demand for water for fracking.

Twenty-nine communities across Texas could run out of water in 90 days, according to the Texas commission on environmental quality. Many reservoirs in west Texas are at only 25% capacity.

Nearly all of the wells in Colorado (97%) were located in areas where most of the ground and surface water is already stretched between farming and cities, the report said. It said water demand for fracking in the state was expected to double to 6bn gallons by 2015 – or about twice as much as the entire city of Boulder uses in a year.

In California, where a drought emergency was declared last month, 96% of new oil and gas wells were located in areas where there was already fierce competition for water.

industry ad, and probably was) that said fracking really used only the most miniscule amount of water, and that there is now a technique that cleans the water back to drinking quality. cannot locate it online, but it was awful.

Keystone. So now a triple whammy on the American people is well in the making

I don't think THIS is what they meant.

...or maybe they did.

David Suzuki:
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/science-matters/2012/09/whats-the-fracking-problem-with-natural-gas/

required for fracking. Drillers want fresh to preserve their equipment longer. Fresh vs dirty or gray is a matter of money to them.