The moment we didn't have to highlight the difference between us and the Soviets we happily embraced their methods and worldview.

"...It is now clear that we are facding an implacable enemy whose avowed objective is world domination by whatever means and at whatever cost. There are no rules in such a game. Hitherto acceptable norms ofhuman conduct do not apply. If the United States is to survive, long-standing American concepts of 'fair play' must be reconsidered. We must develop effective espionage and counterespionage services and must learn to subvert, sabotage and destroy our enemies by more clever, more sophisticated and more effective methods than those used against us. It may become necessary that the American people be made acquainted with, understand and support this fundamentally repugnant philosophy..."

Report on the Covert Activities of the Central Intelligence Agency (1954). Committee members: J.H. Doolittle (chairman), William B. Franke, Morris Hadley, and William D. Pawley

PDF: http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/45/doolittle_report.pdf

all as obvious as the nose on your face, but the sheep continue to sleep.

Specific Examples of what they May Be Doing

SNIP...

CHANGELING: Ability to spoof any email address and send email under that identity. Fake an email from a privacy advocate to make it look like he’s proposing terrorism.

SCRAPHEAP CHALLENGE: Perfect spoofing of emails from Blackberry targets. Fake an email from an opponent of bank bailouts to make it look like she’s proposing bombing a bank.

BURLESQUE: The capacity to send spoofed SMS messages. Fake a message from an an anti-war pacifist to make it look like he’s advocating sabotage of a military base.

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-exactly-are-the-spy-agencies-doing-with-their-bag-of-dirty-tricks/5391555

Clothing for the virtual wolf.

more traffic so I'll kick yours.

Now DU this poll!!!!!!

but now with super strength GCHQ’s Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group that has 24 million terajoule of power

I searched for a dupe, using "digital," thinking that would turn up any duplicates.

Yours is an excellent read, too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025241595

We'll have to employ more resources to get the important things on top, like Snowden really hasn't revealed anything we didn't already know about cats.

Sorry I didn't see your thread, but your contributions are no less valued.

before the trolls wake up.....LOL... so they usually get overlooked by late light cat threads.....LOL


What's important is that the news gets out
not who does it.

And a huge thank you is in order

eom

All the usual talking points--narcissist, this is so boring, etc.

Textbook example.

<place 2000 words of irrelevant text here>

Oh wait...

Wait a second.

Do you think that's good news? For democracy?

I think the apologists are so sure of their cleverness they honestly believe that the rest of us can't read past a cover story.

your link is appreciated. Knowledge is power, which is why THEY want so much of it and why want to keep so much of it from us.

V for Vendetta was a documentary.

Surveillance and Scandal

Time-Tested Weapons for U.S. Global Power

By Alfred McCoy
Tomgram, Jan. 19, 2014

For more than six months, Edward Snowden’s revelations about the National Security Agency (NSA) have been pouring out from the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Guardian, Germany’s Der Spiegel, and Brazil’s O Globo, among other places. Yet no one has pointed out the combination of factors that made the NSA’s expanding programs to monitor the world seem like such a slam-dunk development in Washington. The answer is remarkably simple. For an imperial power losing its economic grip on the planet and heading into more austere times, the NSA’s latest technological breakthroughs look like a bargain basement deal when it comes to projecting power and keeping subordinate allies in line -- like, in fact, the steal of the century. Even when disaster turned out to be attached to them, the NSA’s surveillance programs have come with such a discounted price tag that no Washington elite was going to reject them.

For well over a century, from the pacification of the Philippines in 1898 to trade negotiations with the European Union today, surveillance and its kissing cousins, scandal and scurrilous information, have been key weapons in Washington’s search for global dominion. Not surprisingly, in a post-9/11 bipartisan exercise of executive power, George W. Bush and Barack Obama have presided over building the NSA step by secret step into a digital panopticon designed to monitor the communications of every American and foreign leaders worldwide.

What exactly was the aim of such an unprecedented program of massive domestic and planetary spying, which clearly carried the risk of controversy at home and abroad? Here, an awareness of the more than century-long history of U.S. surveillance can guide us through the billions of bytes swept up by the NSA to the strategic significance of such a program for the planet’s last superpower. What the past reveals is a long-term relationship between American state surveillance and political scandal that helps illuminate the unacknowledged reason why the NSA monitors America’s closest allies.

[font color="green"]Not only does such surveillance help gain intelligence advantageous to U.S. diplomacy, trade relations, and war-making, but it also scoops up intimate information that can provide leverage -- akin to blackmail -- in sensitive global dealings and negotiations of every sort. The NSA’s global panopticon thus fulfills an ancient dream of empire. With a few computer key strokes, the agency has solved the problem that has bedeviled world powers since at least the time of Caesar Augustus: how to control unruly local leaders, who are the foundation for imperial rule, by ferreting out crucial, often scurrilous, information to make them more malleable.[/font color]

A Cost-Savings Bonanza With a Downside

Once upon a time, such surveillance was both expensive and labor intensive. Today, however, unlike the U.S. Army’s shoe-leather surveillance during World War I or the FBI’s break-ins and phone bugs in the Cold War years, the NSA can monitor the entire world and its leaders with only 100-plus probes into the Internet’s fiber optic cables.

This new technology is both omniscient and omnipresent beyond anything those lacking top-secret clearance could have imagined before the Edward Snowden revelations began. Not only is it unimaginably pervasive, but NSA surveillance is also a particularly cost-effective strategy compared to just about any other form of global power projection. And better yet, it fulfills the greatest imperial dream of all: to be omniscient not just for a few islands, as in the Philippines a century ago, or a couple of countries, as in the Cold War era, but on a truly global scale.

CONTINUED...

http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175795/tomgram%3A_alfred_mccoy,_it's_about_blackmail,_not_national_security/

I rate this story as important.

Frank Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.

The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:



From GWU's National Security Archives:



I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA?

“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.

Lost to History NOT

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066767/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anderson_Tapes

We really do have to watch what we say. Takes a lot of money to fill a tool kit like that. And a large amount of immoral disdain for The Constitution and Human Rights.

Of course, it could be why wingers miss so often. They may be believing their own BS.

I don't think I've ever seen or heard of someone so desperately trying to stay relevant. Wish he'd join either of his buddies, Snowden or Assange. What a narcissist! Although Assange may arguably be the biggest narcissist of them all.

“Change outcome of online polls”

Go and knock on doors in your neighborhood and see how many people know who the three musketeers are.

Your post would have been funny if you added the sarcasm tag, but since you appear to be serious, I'll simply say that each of your "points" has been discredited as logical fallacies offered to distract from the issue of unconstitutional actions by our government.

have you seen how dull things are over at the Freek Republican site?

You have a bunch of old farts talking about the good old days that never were, some supposed Christian slim lady that uses a tonnage scale every day to clock it, and some dude that beats off to the bible to combat his meth addiction.

It probably gets pretty boring over there when they aren't plotting how they will "take over the world".

you left out the fundraising appeals.
now, for the record, I only went there once in the last five years, and that was probably yesterday.
hoping they had a picture of me posted. not the case.

I'm thinking times up for those that defend this horse shit.

You check your watch, I'll check mine.

Just as the NSA is notorious for what it's doing.

Because without it, your post appears to be putrescent drivel.

have transcended "annoying" and are now "offensive."

Posters that put up such garbage are not deserving of any respect.

Thank you for proving the point of the ariticle.
Weak effiort, tho.

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Character assassination is a known tool used by propagandists. They did it with Assange & Snowden too.
Seeing so many liberals buying into these character assassination tactics is sad!

Nothing relevant to the content of the OP.

did it during the Bush era and we were outraged airc. The outrage from the Left, mostly, was because we believed that the people have a right to know what their government is up to. Has that changed, and if so, why?

Thank you Edward Snowden.

Thank you Glenn Greenwald.

Thank you WikiLeaks.

Thank you Julian Assange.

Thank you to all the brave and patriotic whistleblowers.

But is it too late?

And massive shame and disgrace for those who trade conscience and human decency to shill for totalitarians and fascists.

While techniques above are specific tools used online in modern times, the general principals would seem applicable to all times.

ECHELON Today: The Evolution of an NSA Black Program

Tom Burghardt
FRIDAY, JULY 12, 2013

EXCERPT...

Coupled with Snowden’s disclosures, those of former NSA officer Russell Tice (first reported here and here), revealed that the agency–far in excess of the dirt collected by FBI spymaster J. Edgar Hoover in his “secret and confidential” black files–has compiled dossiers on their alleged controllers, for political leverage and probably for blackmail purposes to boot.

While Tice’s allegations certainly raised eyebrows and posed fundamental questions about who is really in charge of American policy–elected officials or unaccountable securocrats with deep ties to private security corporations–despite being deep-sixed by US media, they confirm previous reporting about the agency.

When investigative journalist Duncan Campbell first blew the lid off NSA’s ECHELON program, his 1988 piece for New Statesman revealed that a whistleblower, Margaret Newsham, a software designer employed by Lockheed at the giant agency listening post at Menwith Hill in North Yorkshire, England, stepped forward and told the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in closed session, that NSA was using its formidable intercept capabilities “to locate the telephone or other messages of target individuals.”

Campbell’s reporting was followed in 1996 by New Zealand investigative journalist Nicky Hager’s groundbreaking book, Secret Power, the first detailed account of NSA’s global surveillance system. A summary of Hager’s findings can be found in the 1997 piece that appeared in CovertAction Quarterly.

As Campbell was preparing that 1988 article, a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer alleged that arch-conservative US Senator Strom Thurman was one target of agency phone intercepts, raising fears in political circles that “NSA has restored domestic, electronic, surveillance programmes,” said to have been dialed-back in the wake of the Watergate scandal.

CONTINUED...

http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.ca/2013/07/echelon-today-evolution-of-nsa-black.html

IBM had a lot of experience in the field.

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This is what our supposedly democratic, representative governments have become. We are spied upon, lied to, and subjected to elaborate and incessant campaigns of manipulation, disinformation and smear, using our own tax dollars.

Our nation is in crisis as a result of these criminals. The relationship between the American people and our government has been irrevocably changed.

It. Must. End.

A whole fucking bunch.

Well done, Octafish.

Thanks for the thread, Octafish.

and all the other patriots who are fighting so hard to expose all this despicable deception and attacks on the civil liberties of the people.

This SHOULD be completely illegal with dire consequences for those who are perpetrating these attacks on the people. Maybe some day. And it won't happen if people remain uninformed which underscores the importance of Whistle Blowers and exposes the desperation of those with so much to hide when they attack the messengers.

Now it's conspiracy fact.

we were repeatedly subjected to were not just coming from those repeating them and voicing those suspicions. Instantly they were called 'CTs'. Then we found out that that was a tool to be used to try to silence those with the intelligence to wonder aloud about their suspicions, call them 'CTs'.

I guess it was all bound to be exposed sooner or later and thankfully it is.

Over and over and over again...

Someone thought it belonged more in the September 11 forum than in General Discussion.

SECRET Government Is a One-Way Mirror

Gee, what we've learned since then could fill a book. Thank you for knowing, pa28.

and hippies who'll kill us all
once the warmongering/tobacco-cancer link/reactor danger/Lyme disease is quietly admitted they then purr that "we were just waiting for the proof to come in"
they're like some bad boyfriend, who's always right ESPECIALLY when he reverses himself ...

Thanks for posting.

See: Weiner, Anthony.

Added to the long list of things being treated as legal that sound like they couldn't possibly be...

Stepped out of bounds there, Anthony.

"Carlos Danger" was salt rubbed in the wound.

And that I'm obsessed with OK Go's Rube Goldberg machine.

Additionally, if some industries plop their stooges into web forums to steer, ridicule and marginalize opponents I'm certain the NSA has their own puppets doing the ground work. I am noticing a Non-GMO is Woo trend forming here by some posters for example.

Does it never occur to them that not one mind is changed in a forum like this?

I cross posted the news elsewhere.

I feel it is too important not to.

Thanks for this eye opener.

Thank you for the image of Mr. Eric A. Blair and the money quote from his amazing work.

Specific Examples of what they May Be Doing

By Washington's Blog
Global Research, July 16, 2014
Washington's Blog 15 July 2014

SNIP...

SPACE ROCKET: A programme covering insertion of media into target networks. Insert a fake video calling for jihad on a the website of a moderate American Muslim lawyer.

CLEAN SWEEP: Masquerade Facebook Wall Posts for individuals or entire countries. Put up a bunch of fake wall posts praising the Islamic State on the Facebook page of a reporter giving first-hand reports of what’s really happening in a country that the U.S. has targeted for regime change.

HAVOK: Real-time website cloning technique allowing on-the-fly alterations. Hack the website of a state politician critical of those who ignore the Constitution and post fake calls for terrorism against Washington, D.C.

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-exactly-are-the-spy-agencies-doing-with-their-bag-of-dirty-tricks/5391555

Thank you, woo me with science!



The latest in fashion for the virtual wolf.

OP's & threads like these make me love this place.

. . . and we can't get bridge-and-highway maintenance funding passed, but we've just authorized more spending for surveillance: https://www.accessnow.org/page/m/3717cecb/13a464e1/7041ed4e/1de22de8/4170775915/VEsDBQ/ .