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salin

(48,955 posts)
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:27 AM Apr 2015

Locals set up webpage: Ind. Lesgilators who backed RFRA - (businesses) + a peek at the "fix"

Found this in a discussion on an Indystar article about the fiasco.

https://www.facebook.com/freedomtodiscriminateact

On it is linked to the local alt. media Nuvo: http://www.nuvo.net/NewsBlog/archives/2015/03/27/sb-101-where-do-they-work

Meanwhile - sounds like the "legislative fix" will be pretty limited.

Indiana RFRA deal sets limited protections for LGBT
Tom LoBianco and Tony Cook, tony.cook@indystar.com 11:06 a.m. EDT April 1, 2015

Indiana Republican leaders are vetting the language with business leaders.


Indiana Republican leaders are vetting a deal with key business leaders that grants protection for gay and lesbian residents from the state's controversial "religious freedom" law.

A copy of the language obtained by The Indianapolis Star was being presented to Gov. Mike Pence Wednesday morning. The measure would specify that the new religious freedom law cannot be used as a legal defense to discriminate against residents based on their sexual orientation.

The measure goes much further than a "preamble" that was proposed earlier in the week, explaining exactly what the RFRA law does. But it doesn't go as far as establishing gays and lesbians as a protected class of citizens or repealing the law outright, both things that Republican leaders have said they could not support.

more at link: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/01/indiana-rfra-deal-sets-limited-protections-for-lgbt/70766920/

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boston bean

(36,224 posts)
1. Why the hell can't LGBT be included as a protected class?
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:30 AM
Apr 2015

And why won't the answer the reason as to why they won't support it being added?

salin

(48,955 posts)
2. because the teaparty fueled the supermajority in the state House
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:39 AM
Apr 2015

the senate has had a supermajority for a long time (much of it business conservatives) - but the teaparty fomentation that led to pushing this law... keeps them pushing at the edges.

The question is what the reaction will be - they and the gov clearly didn't expect this reaction. And will the reaction make them retreat further (and to them that is what the "fix" is - a teaparty retreat.)

I think they may be forced to get to adding protected class status. But they aren't going to do it willingly.

boston bean

(36,224 posts)
3. I asked the question cause they haven't answered it.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:42 AM
Apr 2015

The answer is because they don't believe that LGBT deserve protection against discrimination.

And if it isn't put into law, then legally they cannot be discriminated against.

That is why Mike Pence kept saying the RFRA does not condone discrimination. Not because he despises discrimination.

The question needs to be asked of them, repeatedly.

salin

(48,955 posts)
6. I just read that the House Speaker said on CNN that they viewed the RFRA as a
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:48 AM
Apr 2015

"Consulation Prize" in the wake of the overturning of the gay-marriage ban.

Get your question - and I agree - as I don't think their "fix" will go far enough. Unless they keep being asked - and the outrage continues. And they are forced.

boston bean

(36,224 posts)
10. I do know why. They do not believe LGBT should have special protection under the law.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:01 PM
Apr 2015

They need to say it out loud!

valerief

(53,235 posts)
5. And here are the legislators and where they work. Taken from the nuvo.net link.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:47 AM
Apr 2015

Here is a list of many of the (Indiana) lawmakers who voted for the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and their occupations, places of business and/or business affiliations.

For those who asked for it, you are welcome.

Rep. Cindy Ziemke, Owner
Brau Haus Restaurant

Rep. Denny Zent,Oral Surgeon
Fort Wayne Endodontics

Rep. Thomas Washburne
Old National Bancorp of Evansville

Rep. Heath VanNatter, Owner
VanNatter Construction

Rep. Matt Ubelhor,Operations Manager
Viking Mine for Peabody Energy

Rep. Randy Truitt, President
Main Street Management, LLC.

Rep. Jerry Torr, VP of Buiness Devlopment
Hamilton National Title

Rep. Jeff Thompson, Board of Directors
North Salem State Bank

Rep. Holli Sullivan, Owner
Onward Consulting, LLC

Rep. Greg Stuerwald, Attorney
Steuerwald, Zielinski & Witham

Rep. Milo Smith, Owner
Tax Consultants, Inc.

Rep. Ben Smaltz, Owner and President
Taylor Rental

Rep. Sharon Negele, President
Wolf’s Homemade Candies, Inc

Rep. Curt Nisly, Owner and Operator
C-Tech Solutions, Inc.

Rep. David Ober, Tourism Asset Coordinator
Noble County Convention & Visitors Bureau

Rep. Julie Olthoff, Owner and President
VIA Marketing

Rep. Kevin Mahan, Insurance Agent
State Farm Insurance

Rep. Peggy Mayfield, Owner
Mayfield Insurance

Rep. Jud McMiilin, Attorney

Rep. Wendy McNamara, Director
Early College High School

Rep. Douglas Miller, Owner
D.L. Miller Construction, Creekside Realty, LLC and White Pines Properties, LLC

Rep. Alan Morrison, Special Projects Gifts Officer
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

Rep. Jim Lucas, Owner
The Awning Guy, Inc.

Rep. Don Lehe, Owner and Operator
Lehe Farms, Inc.

Rep. Kathy Kreag Richardson, Election Administrator
Hamilton County

Rep. Eric Koch, Attorney/Owner
The Koch Law Firm, P.C.

Rep. Mike Karickhoff, Executive Director of Facilities
Ivy Tech Community College, Kokomo, Logansport, Peru and Wabash

Rep. Christopher Judy, Assembly Line Worker
General Motors Fort Wayne Assembly

Rep. Bob Heaton, President
Heaton Financial Services

Rep. Tim Harman, President and Founder
Harman Restaurants, Inc

Rep. Dick Hamm, Owner
Cambridge City Casket Company, Dove Manufacturing, and Paul Casket Company

Rep. Bill Friend, President, Owner and Operator
Green Acres Ham, LLC, Friend Farms

Rep. Bill Fine, Attorney
Law Offices of William I. Fine

Rep. Dale DeVon, Owner
DeVon Custom Homes

Rep. Steve Davisson, Pharmacist
DanMar Pharmacy

Rep. Wes Culver, Owner
M and M Fire Protection and Security, That Pretty Place Bed and Breakfast

Rep. Casey Cox, Attorney
Beers Mallers Backs & Salin

Rep. Bob Cherry, Director of Industry Relations
Indiana Farm Buerau

Rep. Martin Carbaugh, Financial Planner
TradeWell Tax & Financial, LLC

Rep. Woody Burton, Real Estate Broker
Carpenter Realtors

Rep. Dr. Tim Brown, retired physician
Rep. Mike Braun, Owner
Meyer Distributing and Meyer Logistics

Rep. Brian Bosma, Attorney
Kroger, Gardis & Regas

Rep. Bruce Borders, Owner
Borders Insurance & Financial Services
(Borders is also a known Elvis Impersonator)

Rep. Ron Bacon, Owner and Respiratory Therapist
R. Bacon Enterprises, Inc

Rep. Michael Aylesworth, Executive Director of Facilities
Ivy Tech Community College, Kokomo, Logansport, Peru and Wabash,Logansport, Peru and Wabash

Rep. Timothy Wesco, Assistant Pastor
Calvary Baptist Church of Elkhart
Penn Township Firefighter/EMT

Sen. Scott Schneider, VP of Sales & Marketing
Mister Ice of Indianapolis

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
7. Bet there are some university students who are non-residents
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:50 AM
Apr 2015

Who would be considered a non-resident?

A person does not gain residency in a precinct into which the person moves for:
(1) temporary employment;
(2) educational purposes; or
(3) other purposes;
without the intent of making a permanent home in the precinct.


http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/incode/3/5/5

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
11. Come to Indiana and learn about our hatred.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:09 PM
Apr 2015

What a way to destroy education in some minority folks' minds.

It would be difficult to distinguish a university student from someone else, except for the staff of the university itself, so this is protecting educational establishments right to discriminate. Same goes for temporary employees. Who would know other than the boss? "Other purposes" is rather broad, so folks traveling through Indiana spending their money would not be protected.

salin

(48,955 posts)
12. I don't quite follow.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:14 PM
Apr 2015

The intent was to lower voter turnout among those who are more likely to vote for democratic candidates - and young educated voters fit that description. This isn't about giving protection to one group (I know you are being facetious... I think) - but it is about bigger attempts to disenfranchise voters. And look - they just got a supermajority in the state house in November - after record Low voter turnout!

The hatred is coming from the State House - towards voters and citizens.

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