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sinkingfeeling

(51,482 posts)
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:07 PM Apr 2015

Indiana hates women! Nurse faces felony for not pulling over immediately.

Indiana Nurse Charged With Felony 'Resisting Arrest' for Driving to Safer Area for Traffic Stop

http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/03/indiana-nurse-resisting-arrest

A Portage, Indiana, nurse is facing felony resisting-arrest charges because she didn't immediately pull over when a police car flashed its lights behind her on a dark county road. DelRea Good, 52, said she assumed the car behind her was a police officer but, as a woman traveling alone late at night, she was concerned for her safety. So Good put on her emergency flashers, motioned out the window to acknowledge the car, and drove less than a mile down the road to pull over in a lit Kohl's parking lot.

Porter County Sheriff's Department Patrolman William Marshall wrote in his incident report that he initially flagged Good for speeding. In the department store parking lot, he handcuffed Good and took her to the county jail, where she was booked on a felony charge of resisting arrest. From The Times of Northwest Indiana:


"I felt I didn't do anything wrong," Good said. "I got to a safe place and I told him that."

Porter County Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Larry LaFlower said, "The sheriff's office supports our officer's decision in this matter." He cited state law requiring motorists to yield to emergency vehicles and said Marshall was driving a fully marked squad car and used the lights and siren.

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Indiana hates women! Nurse faces felony for not pulling over immediately. (Original Post) sinkingfeeling Apr 2015 OP
Well since there is documented proof of officers pulling over and raping their traffic stops Rex Apr 2015 #1
murder, too Trillo Apr 2015 #2
Several instances of this mainer Apr 2015 #5
Two of my classmates were murdered by "pretend cops" TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #15
It is scary when this siruation occurs. It is the notion some one out this time of the night Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #3
Tick tick tick...keep it up you scumbags, seriously, keep it up. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #4
police state tactics PatrynXX Apr 2015 #24
So wrong on so many levels BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #6
considering youtube videos PatrynXX Apr 2015 #25
you're using reason rag as a source? Doctor_J Apr 2015 #7
The story's out there in many different sources. I used this one due to some sinkingfeeling Apr 2015 #8
The real question is... woolldog Apr 2015 #60
Reason Magazine is libertarian but they don't make up the facts in their stories (NT) Eric J in MN Apr 2015 #17
WTF, you doubt the story? Links please. nt Logical Apr 2015 #26
i doubt everything printed in reason, a Doctor_J Apr 2015 #43
This cop was acting on behalf of the vast majority in Indiana. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #53
She did what any sensible person should do... joeybee12 Apr 2015 #9
I'm a man and even *I* have continued on to a safer spot. ieoeja Apr 2015 #10
I don't care What fredamae Apr 2015 #11
I don't know that this proves Indiana hates women, but... Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #12
This week they also sentenced a woman to 20 years in prison for a miscarriage. sinkingfeeling Apr 2015 #18
She did exactly what I've heard you're supposed to do gollygee Apr 2015 #13
and if the felony sticks she will lose her job as a Nurse. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #14
Note - This. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #30
I hope she gets national attention. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #32
This case shows that resisting arrest should NOT be a felony (NT) Eric J in MN Apr 2015 #16
Read almost any news article about impersonating an officer. lpbk2713 Apr 2015 #19
That is NOT *resisting* arrest, no matter how mad it made the cop. n/t eShirl Apr 2015 #20
And I hope her response is along the lines of Aerows Apr 2015 #21
"...driving a fully-marked squad car..." Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #22
^^^ this^^^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #33
Of course they support their officer matt819 Apr 2015 #23
They support their cops because they are afraid of being sued. When in fact if they had suspended LiberalArkie Apr 2015 #38
can it get any worse for Indiana weissmam Apr 2015 #27
Resisting arrest? BAPhill Apr 2015 #28
So many bad cops out there now CanonRay Apr 2015 #29
What country is Indiana in these days anyway? world wide wally Apr 2015 #31
And what Century... dbackjon Apr 2015 #41
If she demands a jury trial the judge will probably throw the whole thing out. B Calm Apr 2015 #34
Agreed - she did the only sensible thing possible in the situation Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #35
How the FUCK does this translate to Indiana hates women? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #36
asked four times now. no responses yet Doctor_J Apr 2015 #40
I just did. See post 36, below. n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #44
Because police in states that care about women's safety advise women not to pull over pnwmom Apr 2015 #42
You're clearly suggesting that it is state-wide policy ... Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #47
We shall see, won't we? So far the charges haven't been thrown out. pnwmom Apr 2015 #49
This is a standard charge: you don't pull over, you're evading a police officer. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #50
Not true in my state and many others. In our states pnwmom Apr 2015 #51
Putting on 4 way flashers and driving to a safe location isn't evading a police officer. NutmegYankee Apr 2015 #57
That's not a standard charge at all. RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #59
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #37
So Indiana isn't just about hating gays dbackjon Apr 2015 #39
So what is it, resisting arrest or as the spokesman said not yielding to an emergency vehicle? A Simple Game Apr 2015 #45
These lights are available to anyone .. bvar22 Apr 2015 #46
I guess I was lucky when I was pulled over RebelOne Apr 2015 #48
Contact info eridani Apr 2015 #52
thank you... handmade34 Apr 2015 #54
I can't even imagine having to be scared of a cop car. raven mad Apr 2015 #55
Women must be obedient in Indiana! Otherwise how will we maintain order? Enthusiast Apr 2015 #56
A felony? Jesus fucking Christ on a pogo stick. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #58
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
1. Well since there is documented proof of officers pulling over and raping their traffic stops
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:10 PM
Apr 2015

I don't blame her in the least bit. Maybe if the 'good' cops actually policed the 'bad' cops, women would not fear for their safety so much when and officer pulls them over?

mainer

(12,034 posts)
5. Several instances of this
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:21 PM
Apr 2015

I recall a mysterious disappearance of a woman in Hawaii whose car was found at the side of the highway in working order, with her wallet open to her driver's license on the front seat. There was widespread belief that she was murdered by someone pretending to be a police officer. Or could it be ... a real police officer?

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
15. Two of my classmates were murdered by "pretend cops"
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 03:07 PM
Apr 2015

who pulled them over while they were driving to her house. I have a hard time believing that any judge is going to allow this charge in court. I hope not, anyway!

I've known for DECADES that I will never pull over on a dark road just because someone has flashing lights on top of his car.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. It is scary when this siruation occurs. It is the notion some one out this time of the night
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:13 PM
Apr 2015

Has probably been drinking so you get pulled over more. Police need to realize lots of others works different hours than 8 to 5.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
24. police state tactics
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 04:25 PM
Apr 2015

yep keep it up. bad cops

unlike the nice cop who turned around years ago when I was sitting out watching the flooding waters and "warned" me about my missing license plate. every state is different about front plates. mine had fallen off and didn't know. Today they'd hall my in jail no doubt

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
6. So wrong on so many levels
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:22 PM
Apr 2015

I hope she gets excellent legal help and can then sue. She did the right thing and should be a model, not in frickin prison.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
25. considering youtube videos
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 04:26 PM
Apr 2015

yeah she did the right thing.

crash and at high speeds never can tell myself where to pull over. on a busy highway with lights

sinkingfeeling

(51,482 posts)
8. The story's out there in many different sources. I used this one due to some
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:28 PM
Apr 2015

difficulties IE was haven't in attempting to copy/paste information. If you cannot grasp that all this woman did was what the very same police community has been telling women for ages to do when somebody attempts to pull them over at night, I'm sorry.

Here's a few other sources:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ind-nurse-faces-felony-not-stopping-safety-article-1.2171710

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3023487/Nurse-faces-felony-charges-driving-half-mile-lighted-parking-lot-stop-cop-pulled-dark-rural-road.html

http://www.bostonnewstime.com/regional/98119-indiana-nurse-faces-felony-charges-for-trying-to-be-safe-after-being-pulled-over.html

There 357,000 hits on Google.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
43. i doubt everything printed in reason, a
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 05:07 PM
Apr 2015

still would like to hear why this proves Indiana hates women

JohnnyRingo

(18,669 posts)
53. This cop was acting on behalf of the vast majority in Indiana.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 07:58 PM
Apr 2015

Though 51% of Indiana is a female majority, I've heard how women talk about each other. My ex herself seemed to have a C word for nearly all she knew- and those were her friends. Add to that the entire minority population of men in Indiana, and it's clear that everyone in "Indiana hates women". It's easier to understand when you have the math in front of you.

Kidding aside and to the real point here, I believe this cop overreached in his ticketing. At very worst she may have deserved verbally chastised. I"m hopeful to say the fleeing & eluding charge will be the first thing the prosecutor throws out during arraignment.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
10. I'm a man and even *I* have continued on to a safer spot.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:33 PM
Apr 2015

What she did also made *him* safer in the parking lot than standing on the side of the road. One of the most dangerous things in a cop's job is writing a ticket on the side of the road.

But she probably didn't think to tell him that. So he was insulted that she did not trust him.

There is absolutely nobody in the world with a thinner skin than our cops.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
11. I don't care What
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:36 PM
Apr 2015

Indiana with it's f'd up state government, congressional members etc ever do to fix wall that's Wrong in Indiana..I will NEVER buy a product from them, nor will I Ever travel to and/or through that state!

A) Legalized Discrimination
B) Sentenced a young woman to 20 years in prison for a miscarriage.
C) Ended Safe Needle Exchanges and ended up with an Aids Epidemic
D) Made it a Felony to reasonably seek Public Safety and Public Officer Safety
E) Everything else we don't know yet.

Actually....Pretty much the Whole South, Midwest and SE Coast are Off Limits for me, at this juncture.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
12. I don't know that this proves Indiana hates women, but...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:39 PM
Apr 2015

...it is yet another illustration of our police state-ish status quo.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
13. She did exactly what I've heard you're supposed to do
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:43 PM
Apr 2015

Put on hazard lights to alert them that you see them and are complying, and then go to somewhere less remote. She didn't even go very far.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
14. and if the felony sticks she will lose her job as a Nurse.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:46 PM
Apr 2015

This woman's ordeal needs Natl Attention as well.
What an effed up country.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
32. I hope she gets national attention.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 04:41 PM
Apr 2015

If a woman put in prison for miscarriage hasn't sparked mass revolt, I don't know what will.

lpbk2713

(42,770 posts)
19. Read almost any news article about impersonating an officer.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 03:14 PM
Apr 2015



Whenever a lone female driver gets pulled over by what turns out to be some jackass with a flashing light impersonating an officer the article will usually confirm most law enforcement agencies recommend looking for a nearby well lighted area, preferably with other people around. I hope this goes to court and the judge reams the clown that doesn't know his job a new asshole.


 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
21. And I hope her response is along the lines of
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 03:25 PM
Apr 2015

"and I'll be suing the fuck out of your Sheriff's Office the minute I get out of here."

Buns_of_Fire

(17,202 posts)
22. "...driving a fully-marked squad car..."
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 03:30 PM
Apr 2015

I got news for Spokesman Larry: On a dark road, Deputy Dawg could have been driving the General Lee and anyone in front wouldn't have been able to tell the difference. All they're going to see is the lights.

I sincerely hope Ms. Good winds up owning that town after this is all over.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
23. Of course they support their officer
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 04:25 PM
Apr 2015

They always support their officers, even when their actions are stupid, brutal, violent, or murderous.

I got stopped a few years ago in my small hometown. I took maybe a 1/4 mile to stop so that it would be safer for both of us. And the police officer, who knew me, berated me for not stopping immediately. I explained why, but he didn't give a fuck. This is a small town. Don't you think it makes a teeny bit of sense to not be so dickish? Guess not.

LiberalArkie

(15,730 posts)
38. They support their cops because they are afraid of being sued. When in fact if they had suspended
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 04:58 PM
Apr 2015

the cop and let the woman go, they could assure that a law suit would not take place.

CanonRay

(14,123 posts)
29. So many bad cops out there now
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 04:30 PM
Apr 2015

Poorly trained, bad judgement, and some just plain mean. They overwhelm the good ones.

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
42. Because police in states that care about women's safety advise women not to pull over
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 05:06 PM
Apr 2015

just because they see flashing lights behind them. (At night you often can't see anything about a vehicle except for the lights.)

There have been many crimes where women have been assaulted by men pretending to be cops.

So women are advised, in my state and elsewhere (I thought all states till now), to do exactly what she did: put on her flashers and drive, slowly, to a public, well-lit spot.

To punish a woman doing so with a felony arrest? It shows a complete lack of regard for women's safety.

Yes, the title of the OP is attention-getting. Not everyone in Indiana "hates women." But Indiana's policy to charge women who are trying to be safe with felony resisting arrest is very anti-female.

Even in Mississippi, another deeply red state, they don't advise people to stop for a car with flashing lights, if they have any concern. They suggest using a cell phone, but not everyone carries one. When a woman was attacked in my state by a fake cop, police here advised women to do what this woman did -- put on flashers and slowly drive to a public, well-lit space.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-cops-warn-drivers-stopping-homicidal-fake-cop/story?id=16349688

Mississippi authorities are urging drivers to be wary when being pulled over by a police officer after two people were shot and killed by someone police think could be posing as a cop to get motorists to stop.

"We urge everyone to be cautious while driving, especially at night," the Tate County Sheriff's Office posted on their Facebook page. "If someone attempts to pull you over with flashing lights and you feel unsure of stopping, DON'T PULL OVER. Use your cell phone and dial 911 and if it's a real officer then the dispatcher will confirm it for you and if it's not a real officer they will send help to you."

"Our deputies have been told not to overreact if someone does not immediately pull over," the sheriff's office wrote. "Your safety is our primary concern."

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
47. You're clearly suggesting that it is state-wide policy ...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:25 PM
Apr 2015

... for the police to arrest women with this reason for not pulling over? Or to direct their officers to conduct themselves in the manner of this single instance?

REALLY?

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
49. We shall see, won't we? So far the charges haven't been thrown out.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:51 PM
Apr 2015

They should have been instantly tossed. They would have been in my state.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
50. This is a standard charge: you don't pull over, you're evading a police officer.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 07:33 PM
Apr 2015

Like you, I hope that the charges are dismissed.

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
51. Not true in my state and many others. In our states
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 07:41 PM
Apr 2015

if we're concerned about the identity of the car trying to stop us, we can acknowledge the vehicle (with a wave or with flashing lights), and then drive slowly to a safe, well-lit location. We don't have to immediately stop. And she drove less than a mile, at a low speed, with her flashers on.

Edited to add:

Ironically, it's supposed to be true in her state, too. Someone should educate the police department.

This was written in 2013 about a similar case.

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/portage/police-issue-warning-about-possible-fake-cop/article_c209ce32-8fff-5da3-89b3-ebc6cb0861f4.html

This was the only incident reported, said Sgt. Keith Hughes, and the woman used good judgment by not stopping for the man. Hughes said anyone believing they are being pulled over by a police impersonator should call 911 and let the police dispatcher make contact with the officer. If unable to contact 911, acknowledge the officer by waving at them and then drive to a well-lit public location before stopping and tell the officer about your concerns.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
57. Putting on 4 way flashers and driving to a safe location isn't evading a police officer.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:06 AM
Apr 2015

It's standard behavior in rural areas and very common here in New England as many roads don't have shoulders.

Sorry, but only a misogynist piece of shit would file felony charges for this.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
59. That's not a standard charge at all.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 08:49 AM
Apr 2015

Police RECOMMEND people drive until they can pull over into a safe location.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
45. So what is it, resisting arrest or as the spokesman said not yielding to an emergency vehicle?
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 05:26 PM
Apr 2015

Stopping a speeder is an emergency?

From the Porter County Sheriff's office web site:
In the Preventing Sexual Assault section
In the car safety sub category
Two pertinent listings.
· Park in well-lighted areas.
· If you think you are being followed, drive to a public place or to a police or sheriff's station.

Maybe the Sheriff should let people follow the Sheriff's advice. This kind of clears the woman doesn't it?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
46. These lights are available to anyone ..
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:17 PM
Apr 2015

..from the nearest Parts Store or catalog.
Many are designed to fit behind the radiator grill where they can't be obviously seen during the daytime, but at night look exactly like a police car.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
48. I guess I was lucky when I was pulled over
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:33 PM
Apr 2015

early one morning here in Woodstock, GA. I went through what I thought was a yellow light. The cop came up behind me, flashed his lights and blew his siren. There was no safe place to pull over so I went up the road and pulled into a parking lot behind a building. He wanted to know why I did not pull over immediately and I told him there was no safe spot off the road.

He said I went through a red light and I said I thought it was yellow. Believe it not, he did not give me a ticket for running the light. But because I could not find my insurance card, he cited me for not having proof of insurance. But I still had to go to court to show my insurance card, which cost me $35.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
52. Contact info
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 07:52 PM
Apr 2015

http://portercountysheriff.com/

or Sheriff and Jail questions contact

219-477-3000 or 219-477-3050

Sheriff's Department

2755 St. Rd 49, Valparaiso, IN 46383

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
55. I can't even imagine having to be scared of a cop car.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 08:44 PM
Apr 2015

Really, I can't - even when I know I'm getting a ticket. I guess it's way worse in the lower 48 than I thought!

For us to "pull off in a safe place" might mean miles - literally! The last ticket I got (it was about 20 years ago) the poor officer had to follow us about 6 miles till there was a pullover on the Parks Highway. He was gracious, and correct - I had been speeding.

This is outrageous.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
58. A felony? Jesus fucking Christ on a pogo stick.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:36 AM
Apr 2015

Oh, by the way--- the last time I tried to link to an article from Reason.com--- something about the paraplegic man in Florida who got 25 years in prison for managing his own spinal pain---

a good chunk the thread devolved into absolute screaming meltdowns about libertarians and the koch bros.

So be forewarned, some people apparently lose their shit when they see that source, regardless of the topic.

edited to add: too late!

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