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marmar

(77,102 posts)
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 11:58 AM Apr 2015

Nestle Continues Stealing World’s Water During Drought


The city of Sacramento is in the fourth year of a record drought – yet the Nestlé Corporation continues to bottle city water to sell back to the public at a big profit, local activists charge.

The Nestlé Water Bottling Plant in Sacramento is the target of a major press conference on Tuesday, March 17, by a water coalition that claims the company is draining up to 80 million gallons of water a year from Sacramento aquifers during the drought.

The coalition, the crunchnestle alliance, says that City Hall has made this use of the water supply possible through a “corporate welfare giveaway,” according to a press advisory.

A coalition of environmentalists, Native Americans and other concerned people announced the press conference will take place at March 17 at 5 p.m. at new Sacramento City Hall, 915 I Street, Sacramento. ................(more)

http://www.mintpressnews.com/nestle-continues-stealing-worlds-water-during-drought/203544/




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Nestle Continues Stealing World’s Water During Drought (Original Post) marmar Apr 2015 OP
Boycott the darned Skidmore Apr 2015 #1
Actually if you use bottled water as much as possible, yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #5
They pay 65 cents for 470 gallons. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #9
I am not so sure about that yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #11
"what can you do" Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #17
No thanks. Thanks for the suggestion. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #28
Yea,....tap water would kill ya.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #31
Have you tasted it? yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #33
I drink tap water all the time. Depends on where you are.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #35
I work out at the gym and I hike. xmas74 Apr 2015 #44
You think that there is no cost associated with maintaining water lines and sewer lines? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #37
Usually bulk users get it far cheaper than small users. A lot cheaper. LiberalArkie Apr 2015 #15
In BC Nesle pays $2.25 for 1 MILLION liters of water. Only because the public found out they got Monk06 Apr 2015 #41
Blame your government. I wouldn't turn down free water. And, it is free water... Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #42
Oh we are definitely blaming our government alright. Trouble is this one just got reelected Monk06 Apr 2015 #46
Isn't "privatization" wonderful? world wide wally Apr 2015 #2
This is not an example of privatization. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #4
Nestle CEO: Water Is Not A Human Right, Should Be Privatized world wide wally Apr 2015 #12
"Should" be privatised isn't the same as "HAS" been privatized hughee99 Apr 2015 #29
They should pay for the next municiple upgrade.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #32
If they paid for the next municipal upgrade (for using less than 1% of the water consumed)... Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #43
Actually, I was considering it as a DONATION. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #45
Selling bottled drinking water in Sacramento CA is not privatization. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #36
Stealing water? They pay for it. That article is an embarrassment. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #3
thank you for the directive on what to post...... marmar Apr 2015 #6
No problem. A little fact checking never hurts before posting articles from shitty sources. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #7
I've found that nothing pisses off some people SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #34
Ever see a 55 gallon drum? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #18
Know how many 55 gallon drums there are in an acre-foot? Brother Buzz Apr 2015 #22
I wouldn't compare beer to water if I were you,....unless it's about Coors. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #23
This Sierra Nevada Pale Ale drinking snob thinks.... Brother Buzz Apr 2015 #24
The last six pack I bought was,.....<cue drumroll> Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #26
PBR is not half bad Brother Buzz Apr 2015 #27
It also takes a lot of beer to dig trenches for a sprinkler system.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #30
Water conservation is good Brother Buzz Apr 2015 #38
We have everything on timers here. Three short times spaced an hour apart at night works best. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #40
Consider this: world wide wally Apr 2015 #47
Stealing, paying for, what's the difference? DesMoinesDem Apr 2015 #48
Sorry, not theft brooklynite Apr 2015 #8
plus one Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #21
World’s Water? pintobean Apr 2015 #10
SIGN THE PETITION: Stop Nestle from bottling water during CA’s drought! Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #13
Thanks. MoveOn also has a petition now. Duppers Apr 2015 #19
There are right-wingers who will buy it just to piss off Libs.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #25
We get filtered water Bettie Apr 2015 #14
Governor Brown would like me to cut my water usage by 25% Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #16
No, no, no to Nestle's CEO. Water is not food. You do not plant it or cultivate it. Fla Dem Apr 2015 #20
There should be a huge tax on all the fucking bottle plastic ...that ends up in the Pacific & etc. L0oniX Apr 2015 #39

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
1. Boycott the darned
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:08 PM
Apr 2015

bottled water companies. We have good tap water in the US. Buy a jug that you can carry with you. Create a movement to save water and to reduce the pollution created by these plastic disposable bottles. Make it unfashionable to purchase water in this fashion. Water should be public utility.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
5. Actually if you use bottled water as much as possible,
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:36 PM
Apr 2015

You can save on your water bill. I can get two cases of Nestles for 2.49. That is really cheap. I often wonder how they make a profit. However, I don't use bottled water for everything. Two cases of bottled water lasts me a couple months normally. I use it for running around doing errands and at the gym. The gym especially is a great use for it. Of course now you want to use bottled water sparingly at least until California recovers.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
9. They pay 65 cents for 470 gallons.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:14 PM
Apr 2015

You can drink and use tap water for the same price or lower, far less than for bottled water.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
11. I am not so sure about that
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:25 PM
Apr 2015

There is a minimum charge we pay that is around 30 bucks a month. That is outrageous quit frankly but what can you do. I think minimum charges are BS.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
33. Have you tasted it?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:00 PM
Apr 2015

It's disgusting and yes I have a purifier. I do use the ice sometimes for ice tea that I buy at Publix. It is ok.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
35. I drink tap water all the time. Depends on where you are....
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:10 PM
Apr 2015

The water in Anaheim came from underground limestone caves so it was very hard.

In Vegas it's not bad because of the alkaline soil here. In Battle Creek it was rusty looking in the tub. In New York City it looked slightly blue/green. Chicago water was surprisingly clear on the west side.

Chlorine levels varied.

xmas74

(29,676 posts)
44. I work out at the gym and I hike.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:38 AM
Apr 2015

I have a Brita bottle with a filter, a friend has a Camelbak. Each costs about $20.

I notice more and more women at the gym are carrying bottles with filters instead of buying or bringing bottled water. And the nice thing about the filter is that I can refill it all day long, wherever I am.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
41. In BC Nesle pays $2.25 for 1 MILLION liters of water. Only because the public found out they got
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 01:21 AM
Apr 2015

that water free the year before. It got on the news and the BC LIBERAL government decided, well we should charge them something for it.

ONE MILLION LITERS OF WATER FOR LESS THAN THE PRICE OF ONE STAR BUCKS LATTE.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
42. Blame your government. I wouldn't turn down free water. And, it is free water...
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:08 AM
Apr 2015

... that a lot of the "water is a human right" crowd is yearning for.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
46. Oh we are definitely blaming our government alright. Trouble is this one just got reelected
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 06:30 PM
Apr 2015

because the left is split.

In BC conservatives vote for the liberal party since the Social Credit Party disappeared. The left is split between the NDP and Green faction.

world wide wally

(21,757 posts)
2. Isn't "privatization" wonderful?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:24 PM
Apr 2015

They want to shrink government down because it is the only thing big enough to fight corporations

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
29. "Should" be privatised isn't the same as "HAS" been privatized
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:44 PM
Apr 2015

You lost your case.

Nestle is taking the water they sell out of the same system as everyone else. Because they're a bulk user, they get it at a better rate than everyone else, but they don't own, operate, or manage the water supply. None of this is good, but it's not privatization, either.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
32. They should pay for the next municiple upgrade....
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:59 PM
Apr 2015

Oh wait,.....companies don't CARE about getting good PR any more.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
43. If they paid for the next municipal upgrade (for using less than 1% of the water consumed)...
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:10 AM
Apr 2015

... they would want some aspect of control of the water system. Now THAT would be privatization. Congrats, Spitfire, you were the first on this thread to suggest that Nestle SHOULD be part of the privatization of the Sacremento water system.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
36. Selling bottled drinking water in Sacramento CA is not privatization.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:14 PM
Apr 2015
Water privatization is used here as a shorthand for private sector participation in the provision of water services and sanitation (the sale of water resources themselves is covered in the article on water trading).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_privatization


You have no case to rest.
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
3. Stealing water? They pay for it. That article is an embarrassment.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:28 PM
Apr 2015

I never cease to be amazed that DUers so eagerly post rank bullshit here without remorse or even a second thought.

1) From the article: "Nestlé pays only 65 cents for each 470 gallons it pumps out of the ground." That ain't stealing.

2) “The coalition is protesting Nestlé’s virtually unlimited use of water – up to 80 million gallons a year drawn from local aquifers – while Sacramentans (like other Californians) who use a mere 7 to 10 percent of total water used in the State of California." Nestle's consumption is 0.0006% of the total, or 1/10,000 that used by Sacramentans. How manipulative.

3) “Nestlé pays only 65 cents for each 470 gallons it pumps out of the ground – the same rate as an average residential water user. But the company can turn the area’s water around, and sell it back to Sacramento at mammoth profits.” Right. So, why buy their bottled water?

Yeah, bottled water is ridiculous. It generates tremendous amounts of waste plastic and is totally unnecessary because city water is every bit as safe and clean as Nestle's bottled water.

Hey, Sacremento! Quit being stupid and stop buying bottled water!

marmar

(77,102 posts)
6. thank you for the directive on what to post......
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:54 PM
Apr 2015

So sorry the 'rank bullshit' so offends your sensibilities.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
34. I've found that nothing pisses off some people
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:08 PM
Apr 2015

faster than posting facts.

And I agree with your assessment of the article.

Brother Buzz

(36,481 posts)
22. Know how many 55 gallon drums there are in an acre-foot?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:34 PM
Apr 2015

Fifty miles away, Anheuser-Busch pays $200 per acre-foot for their water. Fuzzy math says Nestle pays two and a half times what Anheuser-Busch pays.

Brother Buzz

(36,481 posts)
24. This Sierra Nevada Pale Ale drinking snob thinks....
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:47 PM
Apr 2015

Both Coors and Bud taste like water filtered through a bale of hay.

Brother Buzz

(36,481 posts)
27. PBR is not half bad
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:07 PM
Apr 2015

It actually has a discernible hops aftertaste and is the choice of winemakers during the hot harvest days, "It takes a lot of beer to make wine".

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
30. It also takes a lot of beer to dig trenches for a sprinkler system....
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:54 PM
Apr 2015

Which brings us back to water conservation.

Brother Buzz

(36,481 posts)
38. Water conservation is good
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:29 PM
Apr 2015

In fact the Anheuser-Busch brewery in Fairfield has reduced its overall water use by 47 percent.

Most people in my Northern California area have idled their sprinkler systems and are using hoses for spot watering just to keep some things alive, like their orange trees for mimosas.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
48. Stealing, paying for, what's the difference?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:38 PM
Apr 2015

Just kidding. Words have meanings, unless you're on the attack. Then you can accuse people of stealing something they paid for. People like to attack before they look at the big picture. Bottled water uses 80 million gallons! Fracking uses 70 million gallons! They don't ever stop to think about how 80 million gallons is .00008% of the trillion gallons that almonds use. It is far less than a rounding error for almond growers. In the private market, when there is a very low supply, and a very high demand, companies... do something. I can't put my finger on it, but it usually works. Wait, I think they ration it, right?

brooklynite

(94,803 posts)
8. Sorry, not theft
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:14 PM
Apr 2015

Which government entity gave them the corporate welfare giveaway? And who elected the government entity?

Omaha Steve

(99,792 posts)
13. SIGN THE PETITION: Stop Nestle from bottling water during CA’s drought!
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:32 PM
Apr 2015

Sign at link. K&R!



http://act.couragecampaign.org/sign/NestleDrought/?t=1&akid=1622.344810.5H0SQb

Demand that Nestlé stop bottling CA's water during drought!
California is facing a drought of historic proportions and while individuals are being forced to reduce their water usage, Nestlé is bottling the scarce resource straight from the heart of California’s drought and selling it for profit.

Nestlé -- who extracts water from CA for its Arrowhead and Pure Life brands -- is bottling from at least a dozen natural springs throughout California, including from some of the most drought-stricken areas of the state.

Nestlé has repeatedly ignored requests from local residents and activists to halt its irresponsible bottling operations, so now it’s time for state water regulators to step in!

With a recent report showing that California only has enough water to last the state one more year, we must put an end to this madness at Nestlé before it’s too late. Join us!

SIGN THE PETITION to tell the California Water Resources Control Board:

“While California is facing record drought conditions, it is unconscionable that Nestlé would continue to bottle the state’s precious water, export it, and sell it for profit. As a consumer and concerned citizen, I call on you to immediately stop Nestlé’s bottling operations in California.”

Bettie

(16,133 posts)
14. We get filtered water
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:35 PM
Apr 2015

We reuse our 5 gallon bottles and take them in to be refilled with water (city water) that is run through a filtration system, for about 18 cents a gallon. Works for us since our city likes to add large amounts of chlorine to our water. Filtered tastes better for drinking and making coffee.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
16. Governor Brown would like me to cut my water usage by 25%
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:02 PM
Apr 2015

Last year I watered the flowers (but never the lawn) in my front yard three times a week, took a short shower every day, did my laundry when I had to and likewise my dishes, made sure that my fabulous furry feline housemates had a full water bowl.

There's not 25% I can cut out of that. I say squeeze Nestle. If they have a hissy and leave the state, tonto mejor. We don't need sociopaths in our neighborhood.

A corporation, not being a person, can't really be an asshole. But its corporate officers can be:
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Fla Dem

(23,806 posts)
20. No, no, no to Nestle's CEO. Water is not food. You do not plant it or cultivate it.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:17 PM
Apr 2015

You do not raise cattle and slaughter them. You simply stick a pipe in the ground and turn on the spigot. You're a douche bag for sucking the water out of the ground for a needless product that pollutes our streets and waterways with your infernal plastic bottles and plastic ring holders. There is no need for bottled water in the US. The majority of municipal water systems produce perfectly fine water. If you need filtered water, buy a filtering system and filter your own. It's more economical and more environmentally friendly.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
39. There should be a huge tax on all the fucking bottle plastic ...that ends up in the Pacific & etc.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 08:15 PM
Apr 2015
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