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Mosby

(16,385 posts)
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:05 PM Apr 2015

On Iran, the Least-Worst Option

Three years ago, President Obama, in a discussion about the threat of a nuclear Iran, bluntly rejected a policy of containment. It would be dangerous, he suggested, to believe that the United States could contain Iran in the same way it contained a nuclear Soviet Union. In an interview with me, and then in a speech before AIPAC, he argued that a nuclear-armed Iran would represent an acute threat to Israel, as well as a “profound” national-security threat to the United States itself, in part because the existence of an Iranian bomb would likely trigger a nuclear-arms race in the world’s most volatile region.

To reassure Israelis, whose country is targeted for elimination by the Iranian regime, he said, in the interview: “I think that the Israeli government recognizes that, as president of the United States, I don't bluff. I also don't, as a matter of sound policy, go around advertising exactly what our intentions are. But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say.”

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The best argument Obama can make for this deal is the argument he’s consistently made—that a deal is better than the alternatives. There is much apocalyptic talk emanating from Israel at the moment, and I understand it. The imbalance in the Iran-Israel relationship is not often understood, especially by cheerleaders for a deal. Iran seeks the physical annihilation of Israel. Israel seeks cordial relations with Iran. Of course Israel is worried that an anti-Semitic regime will be allowed to maintain a nuclear infrastructure.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/on-iran-the-least-worst-option/389598/

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On Iran, the Least-Worst Option (Original Post) Mosby Apr 2015 OP
The biggest test facing the Obama administration now... Mosby Apr 2015 #1
Yes we all know you don't like the deal Obama made. Rex Apr 2015 #2
What deal? Mosby Apr 2015 #3
You lost me at cheerleaders. Rex Apr 2015 #4
How does 'Israel seek cordial relations with Iran"? bravenak Apr 2015 #5
And as wrong as President Obama can be on some things, Aerows Apr 2015 #10
Likudnik whining. n/t Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #6
oh that guy foo_bar Apr 2015 #7
If I were one of the one's Aerows Apr 2015 #8
Israel: has nukes. Iran: doesn't. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2015 #9

Mosby

(16,385 posts)
1. The biggest test facing the Obama administration now...
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:08 PM
Apr 2015

The biggest test facing the Obama administration now—apart from actually getting the deal, in all its complicated detail, done by the end of June—is in confronting the challenge a resurgent Iran is posing across the Middle East. Two things about President Obama are true: He and his team approached these negotiations assuming that Iran would lie, cheat, and steal, but he also holds out hope that a deal—and the economic benefits that flow from such a deal—will strengthen the hands of Iranian moderates. I tend to doubt this last part. I don’t believe that a bullying, terror-supporting, Assad-backing would-be regional hegemon whose ideology is built on anti-Americanism becomes more reasonable once it becomes richer and more empowered.

Which means that Obama will now have to do the thing he has been reluctant to do so far: confront Iran in Syria and Yemen and Lebanon in a sustained and creative way. He’s been reaching out to Israel and to America’s Arab friends in order to formulate such a strategy—a strategy U.S. allies in the Middle East have been begging him to devise—and I believe he realizes that he has a freer hand to confront Iran’s regional ambitions now that he’s secured a preliminary nuclear agreement. I hope he uses his power to check these ambitions, and I hope he spends the next three months making sure that the final deal is as stringent as possible. There is no way for an American president to guarantee that, years after he leaves office, Iran will not gain control of nuclear weapons. But there are still things this American president can do to check Iran’s power in long-lasting ways.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
5. How does 'Israel seek cordial relations with Iran"?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:35 PM
Apr 2015

Did I just read that? Omg. So, let me get this straight, calling for air strikes against Iran and fearmongering about them being "on the cusp of getting a nuclear weapon" for twenty years is seeking cordial relations? Really? Are we living in backwardsville? Yeah right.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
10. And as wrong as President Obama can be on some things,
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 08:13 PM
Apr 2015

in this, he laid it on the blade:

I think that the Israeli government recognizes that, as president of the United States, I don't bluff. I also don't, as a matter of sound policy, go around advertising exactly what our intentions are. But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say


President Obama might take a while, but he is indeed shrewd and thoughtful. Many have tried to paint him as a weak leader because he researches and follows laws, while waiting for his opponents to trip themselves. When they are caught in the morass looking like clumsy idiots, he states what he stated before, states it again, and makes certain to follow through with it.

I am not one of the "eleven dimensional" chess devotees of our President. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't underestimate him at chess.

I'd be far more afraid of him at the poker table.

foo_bar

(4,193 posts)
7. oh that guy
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:38 PM
Apr 2015
Goldberg argues that: "If these charges are true, it would mean that the relationship between Saddam’s regime and Al Qaeda is far closer than previously thought." Goldberg concludes his article with a discussion of the Iraqi nuclear program, saying that "There is some debate among arms-control experts about exactly when Saddam will have nuclear capabilities. But there is no disagreement that Iraq, if unchecked, will have them soon... There is little doubt what Saddam might do with an atomic bomb or with his stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg#Political_views

The piece was widely interpreted as an endorsement for the Iraq war, which, on some level, Goldberg regrets. He now admits having been wrong about Hussein’s pursuit of weapons of mass destruction “like everybody else” but maintains the dignity of the story.

http://www.lobelog.com/jewish-journal-jeffrey-goldberg-maintains-the-dignity-of-pre-iraq-war-reporting/
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
8. If I were one of the one's
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:48 PM
Apr 2015

doing all of this wailing and gnashing of the teeth over the fact that the US chose the path of peace rather than the knee jerk reaction of war that Israel prefers, I'd be careful.

If "something" happens in your neighborhood and you scream for the US to make war on your behalf against Iran, you are liable to find yourselves in a very difficult position.

The US has grown up quite a bit in a few decades. Another USS Liberty will have a very different result.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
9. Israel: has nukes. Iran: doesn't.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:57 PM
Apr 2015

So any talk of "targeted for annihilation" is so much absurdist hyperbole. Israel does not seek cordial relations with Iran. Israel seeks to remain the de facto regional hegemon by eliminating the possibility that Iran can acquire nuclear weapons, which would alter the balance of power. Netanyahu and his coterie of right-wing American supporters have probably been doing more to make Iran seek nuclear weapons by beating the drum of war than anyone.

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