After 2010 and 2012, Third Wayers should be hanging their heads in shame, but noooooooo.

Ask any Turd Wayer.

The media keeps dogging Democrats for not being sufficiently bipartisan. So we can solve that by Democrats nominating a Republican in 2016! Let's put Jeb on the Democratic ticket to show just how bipartisany we are.

Heck, Latinos will flock to the ticket now that they know he's one of them!!

And anyone who calls them out are "dividing the party" & "trying to elect republicans". Quite the triangulation there. Too bad for fake dems but good for the country, we see it now. Falls kind of flat.

So it's time to step up our game and nominate a declared Republican to show just how bipartisany we are.

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Now THIS is bi-partisanship!
Better get used to it!
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Pat Paulsen Editorials (Smothers Brothers Comedy Hr,1967/68):

"if we'd only nominate a TRUE conservative"........

Interpret that any way you wish.

need to be raising issues and holding the GOP accountable through votes.

The stark contrast serves as a vivid example contrasting the 2 schools of thought.

Well, then, Mr. Kessler, howzabout we FLATTEN the Social Security tax, thusly -

EVERYBODY pays the same rate on EVERY DOLLAR they earn - no exceptions for "high earners"! But we leave the EMPLOYER contribution as is (i. e., set an upper limit, beyond which the employer no longer contributes), because the folks who make over $120,000 a year probably don't NEED the extra cash to retire on. But everyone gets the same employer contribution up to the limit. This would keep the system solvent pretty much FOREVER, without overburdening smaller businesses.

Oh, and BTW when the people on the right run around with their hair on fire yelling about how the SS trust fund will be totally depleted in the next 25 - 30 years ... THAT WAS THE PLAN! There was no SS trust fund until around 1980, when Pat Moynihan & President Reagan suddenly realized that the Social Security "python" would soon have to swallow the Baby Boomer "cow"! So, right around the time I started earning what (at the time) seemed like "REAL" money, the SS deduction was DOUBLED, to build the fund. Until then, the system was "pay as you go", and YOU paid for YOUR PARENT'S (or maybe Grandparent's) retirement. MY generation (ooh - that's catchy ... maybe I'll write a song!) was the first to pay for TWO GENERATIONS of retirees - and I'm fine with that. But the fund is SUPPOSED to deplete as we boomers die off!

Regardless of the boomers. People are living longer on average and that trend isnt going away.

Our own side is always talking about the gop tossing grandma out into the street or making them choose between eating and medicine. But what you're showing me means thats a bunch of hooey. But now that you made me think of it, all the seniors I know of are doing just fine; other than a couple. And I know a LOT of them

neighborhood as I do, anecdotal evidence is quite the opposite regarding the fate of seniors.
May I ask where you live? It must be really nice there.

I am sorry you do not see the need for the social safety net, or it's needed expansion, but it seems rather cold and inhuman to me.
I'd rather not discuss the issue with such a person, if I did, there are plenty of right wing sites I would frequent.

Where did I ever say there was no need for SS? I was saying the opposite; I'm used to hearing that the seniors arent doing well. You pointed out that, in fact, many of them are doing quite well, and had the links to show it. Which made me think about the ones I'm associated with and their lifestyle. I live in the central Ga area; hardly Westminster County NY!
The only question I had, from another post, is how Warren wants to expand the program. Expand it how & to who? Its already going to seniors & survivors.
I also said I supported ending the cap to aid in funding

put forth by Pete Peterson and his ilk to try to cloud the issue and make raising the retirement age appear reasonable. They are quite successful with such misinformation and have a majority believing their propaganda.

They also have people believing that SS is part of the general budget and driving the deficit when in fact it has it's own fund that is completely separate and running a surplus of over two and a half trillion dollars held in interest accruing bonds that are to be used to cover expenses not met any time the current expenditures exceed the current intake of FICA contributions.

They do their jobs all too well.
They are great con men even if they are horrible people.

Thank you for supporting the truth in this thread.

We are the first generation to pay for two generations' Social Security retirements funds. Yet, listen to the generation behind us. They have been brainwashed into thinking it is the Baby Boomer generation threatening their future retirement.

In theory, we were to pay for the generation before us, then we would pay for our generation, and after the last Baby Boomer bit the dust, the problem would be over because the next slate of generation of retirees would not be as huge as ours. When that day comes, who here thinks the FICA tax will be lowered to its former normal rate?

I learned about the resentment many in the generation behind us have for Baby Boomers, thinking their FICA is being sucked up by paying for the huge numbers of retirees considered Baby Boomers one day while shopping in a retail store. The young man behind the counter looked at me and smirked, saying, "Boy your generation really did a number on my generation. By the time I get ready to retire, Social Security will not be there." I was very saddened to hear such a young person say this. I asked him who or what was the source of his news, but he did not respond. So I explained to him the 80s' agreement, and asked him to look this up for himself and see for himself we were paying for our own retirement. I told him this misinformation was being spread by Republicans who wanted to assist Wall Street gets its wish to privatize Social Security.

If George Bush* had been successful in privatizing the program, 40 percent of the then current funds would have been lost during the 2008 crash. We can never allow such privatization to happen. The transition costs to convert the program would have been 3 trillion dollars in 2003. The government would not pay for the transition, neither would those slated to administer the program privately, and it was decided the participants would foot the bill by having their benefits cut.

Sam

Because the market has nearly tripled since obama took office. But if you're retired age, you should have very little in the market anyway

... with Blankfein, Dimond, et al in charge of how the trust fund would be invested, I'm of the unshakable opinion that they would have thrown it all into companies that make pay phones & buggy whips.

Oops. Gee, folks, sorry about that, but you know, there are NO guarantees in the stock market ... unless you ARE the stock market.

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I cant read links on the phone. But SS already goes to seniors, survivors and under-18 survivors, where does she want to expand it?
And doing away with the cap would go a long way towards funding issues

And its in opposition to reducing payout amounts like Wall Street Rethugs & Dems want.

to tell her what to say.

And Conan was an obvious Warren fan. He made that perfectly clear.