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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRand Paul lied about graduating from college & about being a real doctor....
Say hi to the most qualified GOP candidate....WillowTree
(5,325 posts)He is, indeed, a Medical Doctor. Whether or not he currently holds a specialty certification doesn't change the fact that he's a physician.
Curious, though. What "college degrees" has he lied about. I haven't heard that one before.
Edited to add: I get it. You're talking about the fact that he never finished his bachelor's degree. Still doesn't mean he's not a doctor, but I would think that it would make people wonder.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)That Graphic makes it all true. You see, if you take something stupid, and put it on a picture, then it's all totally awesomely true. I bet he gets lots of recs now that there's a Graphic man.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Playinghardball
(11,665 posts)Senator's office forced to admit that he never graduated from Baylor University
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/13/rand_paul_caught_lying_about_his_college_record/
Zorra
(27,670 posts)CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)However, as long as he completes the prerequisites courses and passes the medical school entrance exam, he doesn't need a bachelors degree. Lots of physicians skip that step.
But to lie bout it... typical Rand Paul.
I understand he didn't like the policies of the national certification board, quit and formed his own board. I don't believe Mr. Paul plays well with others.
Gothmog
(145,725 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Did Paul graduate from Medical School? Yes. Did he complete his Residency and get a license to practice medicine? Yes. Was he at one time a member of the National Board of Ophthalmology? Yes. Did he resign supposedly in protest? Yes.
Did Duke medical School require a Bachelors Degree for admission? No.
So when all of this is plainly available on Wikipedia, why the hell are Democrats making us look like conspiracy theory idiots? We're supposed to be the smart ones, but for some reason we jump into the deep end of the pool of stupidity whenever a Republican comes up as a topic.
Guys, quit pretending that the Republicans are idiots. Cruz graduated from Princeton, and Harvard. Any other time you would be talking about how excellent the Harvard education is. Now, he's an idiot. Take him on with issues, debate the facts, and debate the issues and win on those issues. But asinine character assassination bullshit is only going to make us look bad, and when they do it then it looks like dirty politics as usual, and the message is lost.
Besides, our presumptive (I don't know why I still refer to Hillary that way) nominee has a lot more of those hanging around, and it hasn't hurt her yet.
Oh, and you better hope that Rand isn't the GOP nominee, otherwise we're going to lose a lot of support at the polls and he'll probably win.
OregonBlue
(7,755 posts)his life. He will get killed in any real debates.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)That's a populist issue that has wide support. He's in favor of reigning in the NSA. Another populist issue with wide support. He's in favor of ending the wars overseas. Guess what, another populist issue with pretty good support.
Guess where that support comes from? If you think the law and order what do you have to hide Right Wing is in favor of reigning in the NSA and FBI spying on the people, then you're not as aware of the political debates as you think. If you believe the RW is the party associated with not sending troops to war, then we have another debate on our hands.
President Obama won by four million votes in 2012. How much of that advantage can Paul siphon off with Populist issues, that our party is on the wrong side of?
progressoid
(50,001 posts)bluedigger
(17,088 posts)He's for reduced penalties for possession, which is not legalization by a long shot. Fuck Rand Paul.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)What good are reduced penalties if you are left with a freaking criminal record which will haunt you every time you apply for a job even if you never see the inside of a jail?
Weed isn't legal in CA but it's a civil infraction like jaywalking and carries no criminal record...
IMHO, that's a great way of a government conferring the use of weed without approving of it if it citizens aren't all the way to legalization.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,494 posts)consider provisional ballots not counted, electronic voting machine tabulation irregularities and flat out voter suppression and that number is I would think twice that at a minimum??
OregonBlue
(7,755 posts)He is opposed to civil rights laws, voting rights laws, social programs, abortion, etc. He believes in a flat tax which hurts the poor the most. He is just another b.s. mean conservative who likes to pretend he's more hip than the rest of those nasty jerks.
Personally I see him as a privilege insiders insider who has a giant ego. He can't be very bright or he wouldn't have to plagiarize all his speeches and writings and he wouldn't have been so obvious about it. The guy is phony through and through.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)The last Presidential "Debate" was sponsored by the League of Women Voters.
On October 2, 1988, the LWV's 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release:
" The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates...because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. [font size=3]The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.[/font]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates
Everything since then has been a Made for TV Sham.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Do you really believe that, or did you must forget the sarcasm smilie? If you really do believe that what to you back your statement on?
This guys is a pathetic liar, and he may get some votes, but he will never win the nomination, and even if he did why would democrats lose support at the polls?
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Rand is on the populist side of several issues facing us. NSA Surveillance, FBI Spying, Marijuana Legalization, and foreign wars to name a handful. Those issues enjoy wide populist support. To counter them, our candidate would have to take on other populist issues, or match Rand. Hillary the Presumptive Nominee has a long history of being on the other side of those issues.
The elections always come down the same. Forty percent vote Democratic, always have, and always will. Forty percent vote Republican, always have, and always will. The decision is from the remaining twenty percent. When they go Republican, then Republicans win, as evidenced in 2010, and 2014. When they go Democratic, we win. President Obama lost four million votes from 2008, to 2012. Romney got a million more than McCain did. These are not make believe numbers, they're the actual vote totals. Four million votes separated Romney from Obama. four more million voted for Obama than Romney.
Hillary is no Obama, so we can't realistically hope for a greater turnout than Obama enjoyed. How many of those four million voters will switch sides based upon those issues. People who see the stupidity of the prison sentences for pot? People who want the NSA and FBI out of their phones? How many people will vote for Rand based upon those issues?
What will our side do? Our side will stay the course. Afraid that if they come out against the NSA/FBI/CIA/GCHQ spying that they'll look weak on the war on Terror, or weak on crime, or weak on defense. So they'll stay hawkish. The RW Hawks won't believe it and will still vote Republican. The people for whom Privacy is a big issue may change their votes to Republican. How many can we afford to lose? If we go with President Obama's numbers, we can't afford to lose many. We didn't win those swing states by that big of a margin.
My opinion is based upon a detailed examination of the people involved. Rand, and Hillary. Positions, and issues. Public support for those issues, and voting trends. It is an opinion, and I absolutely admit that. Yet, my concerns about the Senate made almost a year before the election were born out. The Republicans were going to fight hard to win, and they were going to keep from making the mistake that torpedoed them in 2012.
Here's the next question. How many of those four million votes for President Obama were based upon that asinine Real Rape quote? If we say none, we're fools. If we say half, we're probably pretty accurate, if we say all, we're just as big as the fools who say none.
What drives the voters is the question. In 2014, it was issues. I think it's going to be issues in 2016, and Rand is on the populist side of several issues. Do we really want to underestimate that level of potential? If we go into 2016 with the idea we've already won, and the election is a mere formality because we erroneously think that the Republicans are idiots, we are going to get our asses kicked. The Republicans are winning, because they are taking the game far more seriously than we are. If you doubt that assertion, try and get a hold of Senate Majority Leader Reid. Oh wait, you can't. you'll have to search for Senate Minority Leader Reid. The Republicans enjoy a pretty significant majority in the Senate. Because we took the idea that they were stupid for granted, and ran on the idea it would be an easy victory in 2014. We lost, badly.
If we are serious, and a little lucky, we can win in 2016. If we are overconfident, and pretend that the Republicans are idiots, we will lose. Again.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)And dismissed. Paul is a racist douchebag, among other things. The nut doesn't fall far from the tree. Should I emphasize "nut" any more for you?
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COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)of Opthalomolgy" is a sham organization, created by Paul and family members so he could claim Board Certification in Opthalmology. It's not and he isn't.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)He quit that volunarily in a dispute over changes that the ABO was making in certificaton eligibility (changes that would not have affected him, by the way) and created the NBO. He has since, to my understanding, allowed that to go defunct and has not recertified through the ABO.
That being the case, it is correct to say that he is not currently board certified in opthamology, though he is probably eligible to be recertified if he chooses. But that doesn't change the fact that he is, in fact, a license physician, no matter how much some people seem to want it to.
OregonBlue
(7,755 posts)should be allowed birth control and abortion. Nasty little plagiarist.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I've heard clips of the speech where he said he believes in vaccines but parents should be allowed to decide for their kids. THEN he added that disgusting phrase "They own their kids!" That's always bothered me. They ARE responsible for their kids, but NOBODY OWNS another human being!
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)More than once he either implied that he graduated from Baylor or failed to correct others who described him as a Baylor grad.
This isn't about his intelligence, it's about his character or lack thereof.
lame54
(35,336 posts)and he's a big fucking idiot
he ran the country like an idiot and we are still paying for it
fasttense
(17,301 posts)They may have graduated from expensive colleges but it didn't make them smart. Have you forgotten the bush rubbing the shoulders of the head of state of Germany? Have you forgotten his fumbling over words? Have you forgotten the cringing every time he opened his mouth while representing America?
How about Ronnie Reagan? How about how stupid he always looked? How about how he could remember nothing during the contra hearings?
And most presidential GOP candidates come across as bubble living idiots. That's what the oligarchs want. A stupid white man who does what he is told and doesn't ask deep questions. It doesn't hurt if the candidate is greedy and cruel with some blood lust.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Well, many creationists have advanced degrees in Geology from major universities.
I guess you would say " they are not idiots" also.
Wow, wrong board?
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)I think Cruz is a determined, dedicated, and dangerous opponent. I think he is smart. I don't like his policies, issues, or plans. But that does not make him stupid. It makes him wrong on the issues, but not stupid.
We pretended that the Republicans would obligingly commit political suicide in 2014 and got our asses kicked. They learned from 2012, it's a shame we didn't learn from our defeat.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)Or worse?
Say what you want, 19% is no mandate.
Rand Paul is a dick. Cruz is an even bigger dick. We will kick both of their asses handily. Without your help I suspect.
Reter
(2,188 posts)He hates his politics, but called Cruz one of his best students. You don't become one of his best students at Harvard by being an idiot.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)I'm amazed that people on DU don't know the difference.
It doesn't mean you have common sense, but it certainly means you're smart.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)You can't pass an exceptionally difficult school unless you are smart, let alone rise to top student. His grades were also top notch before Harvard, so he wasn't like Shrub who's father got him in. He's extremely intelligent, which makes him dangerous.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Sienna86
(2,150 posts)I would love to know.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Board certification is not a requirement to be a physician. He graduated from Med school and did his internship and residency. He's a doctor.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)He did graduate Duke University School of Medicine and has held a state-issued medical license in Kentucky since moving there in 1993. In 1995, Paul passed the American Board of Ophthalmology exam and was properly certified by the American Board of Ophthalmology which he later resigned from apparently have to do with a dispute over grandfathering in older ophthalmologist.
I'm not a supporter of Rand, OBVIOUSLY - but I think it best to keep things factual.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I have a friend, a board certified internist, who hasn't practiced in over a decade, who keeps us with his boards...
That being said , these attacks are weak sauce...
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)He's down in Central America performing successful eye surgeries. The general public doesn't care about who certified him, they don't have the attention span to care about certifications.
I'd find something else. This comes across as weak when we have plenty of legit ammo to use against him.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)about having a degree from Baylor.
See my post below.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,344 posts)Freedom! blah, blah, blah, Liberty! blah, blah, blah God! blah, blah, blah Freedom! blah, blah, blah Constitution! blah, blah, blah Freedom! blah, blah
He's a little short on details.
IggleDoer
(1,186 posts)If so, he committed Medicare Fraud.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)He is a douche, a teabagger, and a nutter but I doubt boarded and unboarded physicians bill the government differently...
Duppers
(28,127 posts)He was graduated from med school....but not Baylor...
"Paul left Baylor early, without completing either his Bachelor's degree in biology or in English, when he was accepted into the Duke University School of Medicine. At the time, Duke did not require an undergraduate degree for admission to its graduate school."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul
He DID lie his ass off about having a degree from Baylor:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/02/13/rand-pauls-claim-twice-in-one-day-that-he-has-a-biology-degree/
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)He is a physician, just not a legitimately boarded one, and it is dissembling on his part to claim otherwise...However I think this line of attack is weal sauce...
The poster who claims he's ten feet tall, is out of his freaking mind...He has a lot of vulnerabilities.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Rand Paul is an extremist right-wing nut with plenty of material to attack his record on. There is no excuse for making up lies that any simple fact check will immediately expose.
Reter
(2,188 posts)He graduated from medical school. If he didn't, he'd be arrested and sued by every patient. Let's attack him on the issues that matter.
ncjustice80
(948 posts)Why isnt he being investigated for practicing medicine w/o a license? Is he being ignored sohe can be a spoiler canidatwnfor Tes Cruz?
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)There's a difference between being a practicing MD and therefore being licensed and keeping the certification for the specialty active. You can look it up.
It's amazing how many people just take claims like this as gospel without any real knowledge of the subject matter just because it fits their agenda.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I can see DU has a small contingent of Paulites who are posting on this thread ... I say - fuck'm ...
Paul is an ass, and so are his supporters ...
Rex
(65,616 posts)Scumbag deluxe.
Cha
(297,877 posts)It's a hard one.
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