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Interactive map of decline in snowpack, and how it affects the water supply in California.Drought, and the resulting shortage of melting snow, is driving the historic water shortages across much of the American West.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/04/150406-california-drought-snowpack-map-water-science/
Things You Should Know About Californias Water CrisisDrought, and the resulting shortage of melting snow, is driving the historic water shortages across much of the American West.
By Dennis Dimick, National Geographic
PUBLISHED APRIL 06, 2015
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Here are five things you need to know about Californias water situation:
1. The state (and much of the West) relies heavily on snowpack each winter to resupply surface water streams and lakes. Because of a lack of winter storms and record high temperatures this past winter, snowpack in California is at an all-time low. This is the fourth consecutive year that the snowpack has been below normal. The states hydropower supply is also threatened when snowpack is scarce.
2. When surface water supplies are low, hidden water supplies beneath the surface in aquifers, or groundwater, are drilled to make up the shortfall. A large aquifer under the Central Valley is being rapidly depleted to make up for shortfalls in surface water supply. A 2011 study indicated that the Central Valley Aquifer is losing an amount of water each year equivalent to the nearly 29 million acre-feet of water found in Lake Mead, the nations largest surface reservoir on the Colorado River. (An acre-foot is one acre of ground covered one foot deep in water.)
California for the first time last year passed legislation regulating groundwater use, but those restrictions will not come into effect for years.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/04/150406-california-drought-snowpack-map-water-science/
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The California Drought: in pictures
A look at the drought in California through photography of the state's landmarks before and after the drought began. Duration: 0:43
http://on.msnbc.com/1yB8NYb
yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)The Rich can have their swimming pools and hot tubs, but I am not allowed to take a 5 minute shower. Hopefully it won't be like that in this state.
REP
(21,691 posts)I'm probably not going to fill mine this year because of the drought, but it's industrial and agricultural waste that's the biggest burden on the water supply - not your showers or my (empty) pool. Compared to Dasani bottling California water, for example, neither of us exist, water wise. Now add in the nut farms in the driest end of the valley, rice production, alfalfa being grown for export ... might as well fill my damn pool.
Smithryee
(157 posts)to conserve water as much as possible.
Or use recycled water. I don't care, just don't drain the resources.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)A few of the rice farmers were paid to flood their fields temporarily during waterfowl migration, but nobody was growing rice.
Almonds are a different thing because a tree lasts for decades, letting an orchard die is potentially ruinous. A rice farm can just lie fallow for the year and replant later.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)The Powers that Be, developers, energy interests, and high value water interests like the status quo, would love for you ratepayers to foot the bill for more water rather than cough up the cash themselves to invest in conservation strategies.
I'm mixing bad guys:
Multinationals are gobbling up water services and want to own that thing that we can't live without and will pay any price to have. Desal helps them do that and justify the cost and pass that on to you.
Developers can keep building homes, landlords won't have to invest in efficiency and conservation.
Big Ag can carry on as they have for years.
Don't do it, don't buy into the Desal snake oil. The plants fuck up the environment and use tons of energy. We don't need them, we need to charge for water use differently and incentivize conservation and water reuse.
Peace out.
G_j
(40,372 posts)a really bad idea
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but not the way they are doing it in Carlsbad...let's just say it has a few issues and it has the local environmental community up in arms
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/01/22/worlds-largest-solar-powered-desalination-plant-under-way/
We are not motivated enough to do the research though.
G_j
(40,372 posts)Though from what I understand, the question of where the brine ends up is crucial. From the article, "The only question we have for now is, what are they going to do with all that brine?' It's the same problem, to put it back into the ocean would be harmful. As you say, it's still in development. As in Saudi arabia, it's happening one way or the other. Lets just hope they do nothing but take water from the ocean, and not put our crap back in it. She is already under so much stress.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)We aren't that water poor yet, and our grid needs the renewables more than our state needs water.
Now once we quit with the wasteful ag practices and fracking and lawns and start charging wasters and turn the proceeds into water savings incentives...
...and if then we still need water... Well, maybe some small solar projects are in order.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)right now looking at how badly has AG been hit, and reading a fascinating paper from the NRDC on efficiencies. Also looking at Israeli agriculture...
Just the kind of shit that I come across every day (and I should file in this computer and not rely on memory). I had a brain fart this afternoon, about all the central valley stories from last year... and I went... what if they were not hit as badly is because they are a huge gorilla in the economy, but also they have been hit already. The governor said as much. I am finding evidence to support that.
Will finish that article in the morning... but that is the shit once does. I admit. living in a concrete jungle that did not occur to me. I might embargo this and wait to talk to my local farmers at the farmer's market. Why go to the farm, when they come to you?
It would be a tad more local too.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Especially with smaller scale projects for proof of concept.
Here's one: http://cleantechnica.com/2014/02/18/tiny-solar-power-desalination-plant-solves-big-salt-problem/
So, maybe pilot a bunch of small scale projects and see how they work, but I caution against anything like Poseidon, I was there in December.
The pressure on Ag is because the water was artificial to so much of the state, like Kern county, and now they're sad that the government won't ship them more from the north.
Well, the north has been hurting for longer! But I know you know this.
So glad you're finding time to post here, Nadin!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)for some odd reason...
Some of the stuff we cover is way, and I mean this, way too dry for this place, or specialized. (Cheerleaders and California labor law, local legislator advancing legislation in Sacramento to make the NFL pay, or what do you want to know of the games the NFL plays to keep stadiums?)
Literally I have read far more than it is healthy on the economy of sports.
As to this... it is one of my passions.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)...and it's often disturbing, is that some very much celebrated individuals on the left, in positions of power, continue to promote development and projects that really don't address long term challenges.
We have people at the CPUC and other agencies trying to help Gas and Oil interests rush to a hydrogen economy, when the science and economics of the thing don't support it.
And where I live, a well known person is in favor of a project in a community that has NO water to spare and where the roads can not support the added traffic from retail and housing units.
Lot's of favors done for the developer by the county board, and right out in the open.
Unbelievable.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)those kids will have to go back to the drawing board over the Climate Action Plan.
Trust me, Supervisor Horn was NOT happy. That said, he has yet to meet a developer he did not like. And he is not on the left either. More like Right of Reagan, but not quite to the ALEC corruption level, as far as we can tell.
As to the CPUC... PEEVEY... when people speak corruption at places like Mexico I just shake my head, Peevey... really shake my head... Peevey...
That is one agency that needs a top down through cleanup... Peevey.
There are days I wish I was not doing this...there are things you learn that you truly cannot do more than just shake head. And yes, it's made me even more cynical about voting. Nope, it does not work... the CPUC is prima fasciae evidence of this... Peevey and San Onofre... (and that is just one example), Oh the new commissioner, I have not memorized his name yet, well the old is new. I will have to sit down with the folks from the environmental front and have a full brief on this guy.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Lifetime politician, background in urban design, marketing, etc.
I have to work with a lot of people with little more than perpetual insider positions, they all promote one another and little outside thought manages to get in.
You already know this.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)of southern California Edison, who he met in Warsaw, Poland to fix the settlement for SONGS, which is majority owned by Southern California Edison. Look on the bright side. This guy is just an urbanist and marketing will be useful to sell the bullshit.
You also know this...
There is a term on the tip of my tongue... what is it, what is it? Regulatory Capture...
Ed for clarity
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I suppose some experience with a utility doesn't hurt, and SMUD is considerably more progressive than Edison.
And you're right. Bullshit artist, is what he is.
I hope not as bad as Peevey, the crook, appointed by idiot Grey Davis and reappointed by Ahnold.
Here's Picker:
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Well, I'd better call it a night. Was up really early so I could make my presser this morning.
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winstars
(4,220 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)that disproves the fact there is a problem.
There is no "water crisis" because snowball 3000 miles away.
GeorgeGist
(25,326 posts)this is where the camera fades to black.
dembotoz
(16,864 posts)the protection of some protected fish
just watch out for them
they are solid in their ignorance