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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould Tsarnaev Been Convicted Under President McCain? - By Michael Tomasky
Thank God we didn't hold the Boston Bomber as an enemy combatant, which is what John McCain and company wanted at the time.That was justice at work. It took a week less than two years, an impressively brisk time window, for federal prosecutors in Massachusetts to deliver justice to Dzokhar Tsarnaev, and the jury needed just 11 hours to deliberate. We didnt waterboard him or send him to Gitmo, his jailers didnt make him strip naked and get down on all fours while they led him around on a leash; and still, miraculously, despite these failures of our resolve, the people of the United States got a conviction.
I say failures above, obviously, in an ironical kind of way. But I wrote it like that because it strikes me that this is a day more than most other days to take stock of such matters and to remember that in this case, if John McCain and Lindsey Graham had had their way, some of those things could conceivably have happened to Tsarnaev. You might be tempted to say so what, hes a mass murderer. And that he is. But hes a citizen of the United States, and citizens of the United States, no matter how despicable, have rights.
But in April 2013, right after the bombing, when the demagogue needle was way over in the red, McCain and Graham were leading the call for Tsarnaev to be detained as an enemy combatant. Not to be tried as oneeven they understood that that would be crossing the line when it came to a U.S. citizen. But they wanted him held and questioned as an enemy combatantthrown in a military brig and then questioned by military and CIA personnel rather than the FBI, a process that would have stripped him of his right to legal counsel and other basic rights to which any citizen is entitled.
McCain and Graham were joined by their usual compatriots in these crusades, New Hampshire Senator Kelly Ayotte and New York Congressman Peter King. Their argument was that holding Tsarnaev as a combatant for a certain period of time would allow the government to ascertain things like whether he had any Al Qaeda connections. Graham said at the time that being able to question Tsarnaev without a defense lawyer present was his whole point. That might sound reasonable, if it werent for, you know, the Constitution.
I dont doubt that there was some measure of sincerity in McCains and Grahams belief at the time, but even if it was quasi-sincere, it was just the worst kind of demagoguery. This did not happen in a vacuum, of course, but was yet another instance in a long chain of McCain-Graham demagoguery that went back to the very beginning of the Obama administration, when the new president was trying to close Gitmo, and RepublicansGraham was particularly noxious, as I recallwere running around charging that Obama was trying to release Gitmo prisoners onto the American mainland so they could live among us.
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Would Tsarnaev Been Convicted Under President McCain? - By Michael Tomasky (Original Post)
DonViejo
Apr 2015
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former9thward
(32,106 posts)1. High fiving prosecutors who had the easiest case ever?
The defense admitted he was there and took part. Of course it was a quick trial and guilty on all counts. It could not have been anything else.
Warpy
(111,397 posts)2. Agreed, the only drama will be over the DP
and whether or not he really was a patsy for his nutso big brother will come into play then.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)3. Did you read the article? I'm trying to understand your comment in the context of what the article
is about. TiA
former9thward
(32,106 posts)4. The article begins:
It took a week less than two years, an impressively brisk time window, for federal prosecutors in Massachusetts to deliver justice to Dzokhar Tsarnaev, and the jury needed just 11 hours to deliberate.
The defense effectively admitted the crime. I don't believe the case results would have been different no matter where he was tried. And no, I don't believe he should have been put in Gitmo. This incident was apparently not directed from an outside group although it certainly was a terrorist action even if some don't want to call it that.
The defense effectively admitted the crime. I don't believe the case results would have been different no matter where he was tried. And no, I don't believe he should have been put in Gitmo. This incident was apparently not directed from an outside group although it certainly was a terrorist action even if some don't want to call it that.