Sheesh... I can read this shit on free republic too.

critic of her 2008 campaign made these points. I suppose you think Frank Rich is a freeper? And no, bostonbean, this is nothing like what gets said over at freeperville about her.

And yeah, it was arrogant to assume she didn't need to bother with Iowa. She needs to be a better candidate than last time around.

Sometimes people don't win Iowa and still become president... you call that arrogance?

Cause that is what you said.

She did not 'ignore' Iowa.

Same there as here.

Wheb you dare to criticize Hillary ....therefore you are a troll. Some Clinton supporters cant bear dissent.

But according to your responses to the OP it seems you even cant bear advices towards your favorite Democratic candidate.

would be a good start.

Come one now..

I will always vote D in the big meaningless football game.

The OP isn't calling your candidate names. It's simply looking at her mistakes in 2008 and seeing how she can learn from them. calm down a bit, bean.

are the modicum of respect... right.. you write what you write, and there are a lot of freeperish type adjectives in your post, expect it to be pointed out.

I'm as calm as a cucumber.

I didn't see anything freeperish about your post. You didn't say she had multiple affairs, is a bad mother, once ate a kitten....

go ahead, bean. go over to freeperville and find anything remotely like this non-attack assessment of what Hillary needs to do to be a successful candidate in the primaries and general. Hint: There is nothing like it. If you weren't so freakin' defensive you'd realize that the OP is not an attack on Hillary. Not to say that I haven't attacked her positions. I have. This is far from that.

The devotion that you have for Hillary is blinding you if you think the OP was an attack, bean.

this isn't a bash Hillary OP and that is clear.

I'm convinced that Hillary will be the nominee and I don't want to see her blow the general. That simple.

...the advantage Obama had was a newly energized base of black voters which gave him and advantage in many key states. Hillary has her own energized constituency, women voters, who are positioned to provide her an enthusiastic edge.

I think you're misrepresenting her campaign 'style.' I do think she will need to manage many of the missteps which arose in the last campaign which were a consequence of hers and associates' idiotic and offending remarks.

and neocons on foreign policy. That might help.

Yes, there were some missteps. I believe the team that was assembled around Obama was brilliant. It was probably the best campaign, from start to finish, I have witnessed. At a time when trust was at an all time low the guy won on often avoiding specifics. "Hope and Change" caught on. Mostly thanks to Bush. That is a very rare thing in politics.

I don't see a problem addressing style. It is what wins elections. An uncommon stance on in issue can hurt a candidate. Therefore they avoid those issues. It is all about style and money today. Elections are won American Idol style.

big mistakes.

So, there's one thing taken care of.

Why would you assume she'll make the same mistakes she made in 2008? Do you think she's stupid? I don't think she's stupid at all. I think she will run a strong primary campaign, whether she needs to or not.

It's 2015, now, and she's had seven years to think about all of this. In the meantime, she's been Secretary of State, besides.

For her, time hasn't stood still. For DU, perhaps it has, though. I don't know.

I do think people tend to repeat mistakes- and there is evidence that Hillary is not immune to doing so. Witness her absurd "dead broke" comments. I don't think she's a natural campaigner.

She had a excellent campaign overall. Pretty sure Iowa was a case of confidence turning to arrogance. Happens to all of them from time to time. She still went toe to toe with one of the best campaigners we will ever see.

And it backfired. All Obama had to do was stand there and shake his head in disgust when she did it. Negative campaigners come across as desperate, IMHO.

The one that began the campaign was an awful one.

I think she'll be more like the second-half Hillary, especially with Mark Penn now being a persona non grata.

That's the name of the game these days.

someone who has been on the "anyone but Hillary" bandwagon for so long.

I suspect she's getting advice from many who are more thoughtful.

and from what I've seen, this is advice she's getting.

And speaking of thoughtful, I'd scarcely deem you that.

Her record, is her record.