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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:21 PM Apr 2015

Why More Drivers Should Brake With Their Left Foot!



Here’s why:

If you’re traveling at 60 mph, covering 88 feet per second, it takes roughly 4.5 seconds to come to a complete stop—or 271 feet, according to Edmunds.com. In the event of an emergency, 132 feet of that stopping distance will be the time it takes for you to perceive the incident followed by the time it takes for you to react to that recognition. In those first 132 feet, then, you won’t even graze the brake pedal.

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Why More Drivers Should Brake With Their Left Foot! (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2015 OP
I already do. janlyn Apr 2015 #1
Can't look sereral cars ahead of you if you are driving a sedan question everything Apr 2015 #52
yeah, I have a Camry. janlyn Apr 2015 #92
I agree with this. I have used my left foot to brake since .. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #2
Not in a car with a clutch, for pete's sake. MineralMan Apr 2015 #3
We have two cars--one standard, one automatic Maeve Apr 2015 #21
I do, too. My Kia Soul has a manual transmission, and the MineralMan Apr 2015 #24
What's "brake riding? Thanks (nt) question everything Apr 2015 #54
Driving with your left foot on the brake pedal. MineralMan Apr 2015 #56
Interesting. Only yesterday a local TV report question everything Apr 2015 #63
Could be. If they're not paying attention, then MineralMan Apr 2015 #65
I disagree with it too. LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #29
If people brake with their left foot, MineralMan Apr 2015 #32
Having been a 2naSalit Apr 2015 #73
Not mentioned, as I have read so far here, is the fact that in an emergency situation, -none Apr 2015 #83
break the brake freeserve Apr 2015 #57
Same here but then I learned to drive in a car with malaise Apr 2015 #104
Brought to you by... 99Forever Apr 2015 #4
That's what I was thinking, too. WillowTree Apr 2015 #15
More likely just an idiot blogger... Frank Cannon Apr 2015 #115
Thank you a thousand time over 4Q2u2 Apr 2015 #5
The problem is brake riding. Xithras Apr 2015 #6
+1000 Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #10
My Mother-in-law does that: Drives with a foot on the brake and gas, brake lights always on. FSogol Apr 2015 #11
I brake left, do not "ride" Skittles Apr 2015 #12
I'm just wondering? CANDO Apr 2015 #81
sometimes I heel it to the left; sometimes I hover Skittles Apr 2015 #82
My mom does that and ruins every car she's owned eissa Apr 2015 #20
Ruin a car? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2015 #96
And if they're not riding, pintobean Apr 2015 #23
Also confuses the driver behind you Sanity Claws Apr 2015 #102
Right on. rickford66 Apr 2015 #110
Right foot braking is a dinosaur left over from the days of manual Cleita Apr 2015 #7
manual transmissions are still manufactured.. frylock Apr 2015 #16
I didn't say they weren't. Most people today don't use them nor Cleita Apr 2015 #19
Good. Less chance for my vehicles to be stolen or borrowed. rickford66 Apr 2015 #106
Many of us prefer manual to automatic transmissions... S_B_Jackson Apr 2015 #17
They are a bitch for stop and go city driving so most urban people Cleita Apr 2015 #22
no kidding... KatyMan Apr 2015 #60
Really, they're not. I've driven both, and it doesn't make MineralMan Apr 2015 #68
".....driving because no cruise control." EX500rider Apr 2015 #72
It's more economical in stop & go Warpy Apr 2015 #103
Any stats back that up? Logical Apr 2015 #107
My manual trans vehicles have cruise control. rickford66 Apr 2015 #112
I used a stick when I was younger... Adrahil Apr 2015 #117
I still have a standard transmission, and they're MineralMan Apr 2015 #18
Well good for you for being the rare person you are. Cleita Apr 2015 #25
I'm not as rare as you think. MineralMan Apr 2015 #27
Some women have to look stylish for their jobs and high heeled shoes Cleita Apr 2015 #34
Some women do that. Not all. MineralMan Apr 2015 #41
So is drinking a can of beer but some people still do it. Cleita Apr 2015 #46
I understand that buying a manual will cost more then yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #44
No, you're incorrect. Choosing a manual transmission saved me $500 MineralMan Apr 2015 #49
Strange because a friend of mine bought a Toyota yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #50
I have no idea what cars were being compared or what MineralMan Apr 2015 #53
Sometimes it depends on the manufacturer Rob H. Apr 2015 #87
Manual's usually cheaper to buy new but you take a big hit on the resale value. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2015 #61
That depends on the car. MineralMan Apr 2015 #66
Yes, many bad drivers prefer inferior cars. LeftyMom Apr 2015 #28
Huh? Cleita Apr 2015 #38
But that's a good reason not to do it kcr Apr 2015 #85
I can actually agree with both POVs. I use my right foot to brake because Cleita Apr 2015 #90
Always have from the start. L0oniX Apr 2015 #8
I have always braked with my left foot Skittles Apr 2015 #9
Can you switch to right foot breaking in the event of an emergency ass-kicking? Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2015 #64
Done right: Yes. Done wrong: No. Ready4Change Apr 2015 #13
That's what I was thinking. A driver, epecially if it is urgent, will press both pedals question everything Apr 2015 #62
That is completely wrong - braking will slow your car even under full throttle. Make7 Apr 2015 #75
Us standard transmission drivers know that this is poppycock. longship Apr 2015 #14
Can't do it, nope... pipi_k Apr 2015 #26
That's a bug, not a feature seveneyes Apr 2015 #30
I just don't use the brake underpants Apr 2015 #31
Couple of things Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #33
I use my left foot to brake but don't ride the pedal. Being left-handed... BlueJazz Apr 2015 #35
Most of that 132 feet is related to the time to perceive incident. Hoyt Apr 2015 #36
Naaaa I dont believe it benld74 Apr 2015 #37
then theres heel toe shifting olddots Apr 2015 #39
left foot on clutch olddots Apr 2015 #43
I haven't had to do that since I got rid of my MineralMan Apr 2015 #70
Too many would not be coordinated enough to switch from right to left foot. liberal N proud Apr 2015 #40
Nope, not me rjj621 Apr 2015 #42
I'm from the UK, and this completely baffled me until I remembered most Americans drive automatics. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #45
Seems dumb to me. LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #47
Agree. laundry_queen Apr 2015 #99
Why should your left foot get a free ride, yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2015 #48
Oh, HELL, no! The right foot cannot go beyond the brake to the gas pedal; HOWEVER, the left foot can WinkyDink Apr 2015 #51
poor drivers brake with their left foot, also poor drivers have hands at 10 & 2 snooper2 Apr 2015 #55
What does income level have to do with it? Stop being classist! ( n/t ) Make7 Apr 2015 #86
I hate driving behind two footed drivers CanonRay Apr 2015 #58
But, I text with my left foot. pintobean Apr 2015 #59
Not gonna matter too much longer. Cars are gonna be self-driving. Darb Apr 2015 #67
Nice post, Daniel Day-Lewis! KamaAina Apr 2015 #69
Excellent. Orrex Apr 2015 #100
Reminds me of when I went car shopping with my dad back in the 70's... Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2015 #71
Left foot braking is commonly taught in performance driving classes tech3149 Apr 2015 #74
Hell, yeah. Mechanics need the bu$ine$$... Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #76
I have been a two foot driver from the beginning riversedge Apr 2015 #77
I always love to be behind someone who rides their brakes Politicalboi Apr 2015 #78
I have been driving with my left foot for years. RebelOne Apr 2015 #79
I love opinions... sendero Apr 2015 #80
Lots of bullshit going around. MineralMan Apr 2015 #84
No. zappaman Apr 2015 #88
That's stupid. Codeine Apr 2015 #89
I think I'll just stick to what LWolf Apr 2015 #91
I've driven manual vehicles for decades and will continue to IDemo Apr 2015 #93
Nonsense. cwydro Apr 2015 #94
same people who thought up fucking anti-lock brakes Agony Apr 2015 #95
Right foot on brakes, left foot on gas. panader0 Apr 2015 #97
I decided too try left foot braking, my take! yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2015 #98
When I need to stop, I simply drop the anchor out the window. Orrex Apr 2015 #101
And then there are those pipi_k Apr 2015 #105
I hear that. zappaman Apr 2015 #113
Driving like this is dangerous. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #108
I'm short so it just doesn't work for me. I have been driving for 23 years and my last car accident liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #109
So you're a shill for the brake pad industry! TransitJohn Apr 2015 #111
I have my doubts that works on icy roads. Or potentially icy roads. jwirr Apr 2015 #114
Or your right, if you drive with your legs crossed jberryhill Apr 2015 #116
It's probably better to get used to left foot braking if you're driving an AT, BUT!!! MillennialDem Apr 2015 #118
I don't know about that but I do know LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #119

janlyn

(735 posts)
1. I already do.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:29 PM
Apr 2015

For the same reason that I could never play an instrument that required seperate hand tasks. Being autistic I have issues with motor skills.
Hell, I can't even rub my stomach and pat my head at the same time.
I can react very quickly with my left foot, and have avoided a ton of accidents. I also look several cars ahead and not just at the car in front of me. My dad taught me defensive driving skills.

question everything

(47,544 posts)
52. Can't look sereral cars ahead of you if you are driving a sedan
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:31 PM
Apr 2015

and all the cars in front of you are behemoth SUVs...

This is why I finally gave up on my 1998 Camry and got a KIA Soul. To have a better chance of seeing what's ahead of me. But not always...

janlyn

(735 posts)
92. yeah, I have a Camry.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:11 PM
Apr 2015

You sure can't see when that happens, so I will give more space between me and the monster gas guzzler in front.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
2. I agree with this. I have used my left foot to brake since ..
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:30 PM
Apr 2015

..a car accident in 1974.
Busted my right knee & muscle weakness after surgery & therapy to restore function in my right leg, caused me to use the left foot to brake. For safety reasons of course.
The right knee was restored but out of habit I just continued using the left as my brake foot.

My response is quick.
Anyway..I agree

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
3. Not in a car with a clutch, for pete's sake.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:31 PM
Apr 2015

If you brake with your right foot, it's not on the accelerator. That's why we brake with the right foot.

If you have a standard transmission, braking with the left foot is a bad idea, especially in an emergency stop.

I dispute this article.

Maeve

(42,297 posts)
21. We have two cars--one standard, one automatic
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:08 PM
Apr 2015

All the kids were taught to drive a standard...just in case. Two of them now prefer standards. And switching between cars means sticking to one style of driving or getting your reflexes confused. Plus the number of left-footed brakers I see with their brake lights on all the time...

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
24. I do, too. My Kia Soul has a manual transmission, and the
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:13 PM
Apr 2015

PT Cruiser is an automatic. Right foot braking on both.

I can drive anything on wheels, and have driven almost every type of vehicle, other than a tank. My right foot is for the accelerator and brake in all vehicles. It's automatic. Off the gas and on the brake. If there's a clutch pedal, the left foot hits it at the same time in an emergency.

Left foot braking almost always leads to brake riding. Bad idea.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
56. Driving with your left foot on the brake pedal.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:36 PM
Apr 2015

Lots of left foot brakers do that. Watch the taillights as you drive around. If the brake likes come on and go off, the person is riding the brakes. I see it all the time.

question everything

(47,544 posts)
63. Interesting. Only yesterday a local TV report
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:44 PM
Apr 2015

that for police officers, seeing the break light coming on and off is a signal that the driver is texting and should be stopped...

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
65. Could be. If they're not paying attention, then
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:45 PM
Apr 2015

it's more likely that they'll be riding the brake, even if just a little. Bad for the car, and bad driving practice in normal traffic. Race drivers often use left foot braking, but that's a special case, really.

LuvNewcastle

(16,860 posts)
29. I disagree with it too.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:19 PM
Apr 2015

One of the first things I learned about driving was to use the gas and the brakes with my right foot. I've never had a collision that was my fault, and I've never needed expensive brake work either.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
32. If people brake with their left foot,
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:23 PM
Apr 2015

it should take the same time to hit the brake as with the right, unless their foot is always on the brake pedal. If that's the case, you'll see their brake lights flash on and off frequently, and they'll be installing new brakes far more often than they should.

That article is just stupid, really.

Yet another non-expert blogger writing about stuff he or she doesn't know anything about. That's the only thing I dislike about the Internet. Too many bogus articles appear that make little to no sense. Then, other people who don't know what they're talking about spread the misinformation around freely and widely.

2naSalit

(86,865 posts)
73. Having been a
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:06 PM
Apr 2015

diver by trade for a couple decades, I agree with you. The pedal assembly is made the way it is for just that reason, to facilitate safe reflexive actions with decades of R&D involved. My advice... If you can't drive properly, maybe you should leave the driving to someone who can.

-none

(1,884 posts)
83. Not mentioned, as I have read so far here, is the fact that in an emergency situation,
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 04:13 PM
Apr 2015

when you brake with your left foot, your right foot is likely to push the gas petal to the floor. I can see where that would be counter productive to avoiding the object you are wishing to avoid.

I learned to drive in the late 1950's and I was taught to never use your left foot on the brake for that reason. Easier and less confusion switching between driving a standard and an automatic transmission car too.
Using the information in the OP can kill someone.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
15. That's what I was thinking, too.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:03 PM
Apr 2015

Not to mention the multiple ways that doing so could also cause an accident.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
115. More likely just an idiot blogger...
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 06:06 PM
Apr 2015

Who thinks he/she's discovered some great new "life hack".

There's a reason why Driver Ed instructors haven't been teaching left foot braking for more than 50 years. Because it's a bad idea all around, for all the reasons mentioned in this thread.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
5. Thank you a thousand time over
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:39 PM
Apr 2015

I have been explaining this to my family(mainly my wife) why it is best and safest.
I have been a Crane Operator for over 20 years and use both feet all day long, so it is an easy transition for me.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
6. The problem is brake riding.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:45 PM
Apr 2015

A LOT of people who use their left foot to brake end up riding their brakes. This creates several major safety issues.

- Premature brake wear. Riding the brakes causes the brakes to wear out faster, increasing the likelihood that they will malfunction when needed in an emergency.

- Brake overheating. Brakes stop cars by converting mechanical energy into heat. If you ride your brakes, they get hot. Anyone who has ever experienced brake fade can tell you what a terrifying experience that is.

- Brakelight desensitization. Riding the brakes means that your brakelights are always turning on. The drivers behind you will eventually adapt to this and tune your brake lights out. When you DO have to actually stop, it will take the driver behind you several moments to realize that your car is actually decelerating and slow their own car. This increases the chance that you'll get rear ended.

Brake pedals in modern cars tend to be fairly sensitive, and even resting your foot on the pedal can be enough to slightly apply the brakes and/or trigger the brake lights. That's always a bad thing.

FSogol

(45,558 posts)
11. My Mother-in-law does that: Drives with a foot on the brake and gas, brake lights always on.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:58 PM
Apr 2015

No one can correct it.

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
81. I'm just wondering?
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:55 PM
Apr 2015

Do the folks who left foot break ride along with your left foot on or hovering over the peddle? I can't imagine doing that without pain developing in my ankle and lower leg muscles. And for those who don't hover their foot...there would be no reaction advantage gained vs using your right foot in my view. I drive how I was taught...right foot for both.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
20. My mom does that and ruins every car she's owned
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:08 PM
Apr 2015

We gave up trying to get her to unlearn this bad habit. It's just the way she drives, much to her mechanic's delight.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,375 posts)
96. Ruin a car?
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:40 PM
Apr 2015

It might prematurely wear out the pads and rotors, or shoes and drums, but it shouldn't ruin a car. As long as your mom is getting home safe, no need to stress about a little extra cost in brake bits.

I brake with the right foot, because I learned on a car with a clutch. If I only had three feet...

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
23. And if they're not riding,
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:11 PM
Apr 2015

the left foot is on the floor, so there is no gain in response time. That's not to mention applying pressure with both feet in a panic.

Sanity Claws

(21,860 posts)
102. Also confuses the driver behind you
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 04:13 PM
Apr 2015

Brake lights exist to warn the driver behind you. When you ride the brake, the brake light is always on. The driver behind you never knows what you are doing.

rickford66

(5,530 posts)
110. Right on.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 05:47 PM
Apr 2015

All the points I was going to make. It should be noted that any perceivable advantage of using your left foot to brake would be lost to brake fade if you ride the pedal as many people I see on the road. Why would brake lights periodically come on at 65 mph on the open road? I see that every day. Also, if you're converting your mechanical energy to heat, you're also affecting your gas mileage.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. Right foot braking is a dinosaur left over from the days of manual
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:46 PM
Apr 2015

transmissions and using the clutch pedal to shift gears, which usually was next to the brake pedal. If you used your left foot to brake often you could accidentally hit the clutch pedal instead often causing accidents. With automatic transmissions there is no reason for this other than to make sure you lift your foot off the accelerator before you brake.

S_B_Jackson

(906 posts)
17. Many of us prefer manual to automatic transmissions...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:06 PM
Apr 2015

driving stick keeps you more conscious of your driving and less distracted.
Yes it's a bit of a pain in stop and go driving or long distance driving because no cruise control.

I prefer to drive stick, and required my kids to learn to drive stick when teaching them to drive. It's not difficult to do unless one is hopelessly uncoordinated.

KatyMan

(4,211 posts)
60. no kidding...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:39 PM
Apr 2015

although in Europe you pretty much don't have a choice, almost all cars are manuals, and it sucks royally to drive in Dublin or some other Irish/British town in stop and go traffic, usually on hills...!
When we moved back to the US from Ireland in 2001, one of our cars was an automatic, and we had a hard time giving it away, several people even said they wouldn't know how to drive it! (it was an older car, no note or anything)

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
68. Really, they're not. I've driven both, and it doesn't make
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:51 PM
Apr 2015

any difference to me in city driving. I don't have to think about the transmission. I just select the appropriate gear automatically. No big deal at all. I suppose if you're not used to driving a manual transmission, it could seem like a hassle, but if you drive one regularly, you don't even notice, really.

More of the cars I've owned have had manual transmissions than automatic, so 50+ years of driving means that it doesn't matter to me one way or another.

My KIA, though, is the first car I've owned that has a hill-holder feature. If you are at a stop, the brake holds for 10 seconds or until you move forward. Then it releases. No more fancy footwork at stop signs on hills. That was a nice surprise, although it's never been much of a problem for me before, anyhow.

EX500rider

(10,881 posts)
72. ".....driving because no cruise control."
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:00 PM
Apr 2015

Manual cars can have cruise control, my Ford Focus 5 speed does.

Warpy

(111,384 posts)
103. It's more economical in stop & go
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 04:18 PM
Apr 2015

less so in stop & creep.

I drive stick because automatics are pigs in snow.

rickford66

(5,530 posts)
112. My manual trans vehicles have cruise control.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 05:52 PM
Apr 2015

Since the late 1980's all my manual trans vehicles have had cruise. I never use it because I think it's an accident about to happen.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
117. I used a stick when I was younger...
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:37 PM
Apr 2015

I enjoyed it in a sports car. But honestly, except for fun driving, I vastly prefer an automatic.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
18. I still have a standard transmission, and they're
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:07 PM
Apr 2015

available on most cars. I get better gas mileage, have better control of my car, and pay more attention to my driving. I drive a 2013 Kia Soul. I chose the standard transmission deliberately. I also have a 2007 PT Cruiser. It's an automatic. I use my right foot for braking on both at all times.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
25. Well good for you for being the rare person you are.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:13 PM
Apr 2015

Most people prefer automatic for city driving and women because we are often driving in high heeled shoes. As a matter of fact, I'm the only person I know who actually knows how to drive with a manual, but then I grew up in a mining camp and learned to drive in my dad's 1950 PU truck.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
27. I'm not as rare as you think.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:16 PM
Apr 2015

I will always prefer a manual transmission. I haven't always had one, but given a choice, I will have one. I'm far from alone, which is why manual transmissions are still offered in most car models.

I don't care what anyone else drives. I drive what I prefer, when I have a choice. And almost all of my driving is on city streets. I don't use cruise control, either, except on relatively empty interstates. Cruise control leads to inattention in far too many cases.

Finally, I can't imaging why anyone would drive, or even walk, in high-heeled shoes. None of the women I know do either. They're far too smart for that.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
34. Some women have to look stylish for their jobs and high heeled shoes
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:24 PM
Apr 2015

are part of it. Look at any governing body from City Council to Congress and the majority of the women are wearing high heeled shoes. Go to court and the women lawyers are wearing high heeled shoes. I think their should be a law against them myself, but that's centuries from now because most women LIKE to wear them.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
41. Some women do that. Not all.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:26 PM
Apr 2015

Other women switch shoes to drive. All women should do that, if they wear high-heels. High-heeled shoes are dangerous when you're behind the wheel. Period.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
44. I understand that buying a manual will cost more then
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:29 PM
Apr 2015

An automatic due to reduced popularity of manual cars.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
49. No, you're incorrect. Choosing a manual transmission saved me $500
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:25 PM
Apr 2015

when I bought my Kia. Manual transmissions are usually less expensive than automatics. The reason is that manual transmissions are cheaper to make, compared to automatics with torque converters. There may be some exceptions, but a standard transmission will usually save you money.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
50. Strange because a friend of mine bought a Toyota
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:28 PM
Apr 2015

And had to pay more and even wait to get it delivered because they didn't have one on the lot.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
53. I have no idea what cars were being compared or what
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:34 PM
Apr 2015

options they had. If there isn't one on the lot, then you'd have to order it from somewhere else. I don't know. I do know that the MSRP listed for the identical Kia Soul with and without manual transmission were $500 different. Cheaper with the manual. Go check MSRPs for identically-equipped models for whatever cars you wish. I don't have time, today, to do the comparisons for you.

Rob H.

(5,352 posts)
87. Sometimes it depends on the manufacturer
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:29 PM
Apr 2015

When I was looking at cars three years ago I wanted a car with a manual transmission but for some makers, only the high-end trim levels had them, and others only offered them on their bare-bones trim levels. I wound up having to order mine when I finally decided what I wanted--the dealer didn't have any manual transmission cars on the lot because they take forever to sell, according to the salesman I dealt with.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
66. That depends on the car.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:47 PM
Apr 2015

It's hard to find a used car with a manual transmission. Some people insist on having one. If you have one to sell, the person who wants that will be your buyer.

That said, since the original price was lower for the manual, it's pretty much a wash, really.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
28. Yes, many bad drivers prefer inferior cars.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:17 PM
Apr 2015

Hampering their skill development further with poor advice is cruel.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
38. Huh?
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:25 PM
Apr 2015

Lifting your foot off the accelerator before you press the brake pedal is bad advice? Is that what you are referring to or what?

kcr

(15,320 posts)
85. But that's a good reason not to do it
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 05:52 PM
Apr 2015

You don't want to mash down on the gas in a panic, and that's much harder to do if you're using your right foot to brake. This is exactly what I did the very first time I got into a car and didn't realize you didn't use the left foot for braking. My driver's ed teacher realized what I was doing had a fit and told me never to use my left foot on the brake again.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
90. I can actually agree with both POVs. I use my right foot to brake because
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:46 PM
Apr 2015

it's the reflex I have from using stick shifts for the first fifteen years I drove. I now use automatic but the old habit of just using the right foot for all pedals stayed with me, but I have friends who never used a stick and were taught to brake with the left foot and I find them as safe a driver as the right footed ones.

Ready4Change

(6,736 posts)
13. Done right: Yes. Done wrong: No.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:00 PM
Apr 2015

You've got to judge yourself. If you are good under pressure, or if you are in a position to drill yourself constantly so your automatic reactions do what they are supposed to do (say, as a racing car driver) Fine. Do this.

But face it, most day-to-day drivers are not drilled in their reactions, and are not prepared to react fully and properly to an emergency. They are just running a quick errand to the grocery store, listening to the radio, telling their kids to settle down, wondering what route they should take to get to work so as to avoid traffic and arrive on time.

The problem with the latter, and far more common, driver is that, when they have to emergency brake, they do so with BOTH feet. It's a physiological reaction. And if you commonly brake with your left foot, then you also keep your right foot on the gas. BOTH pedals go down.

At speed, when you floor both pedals, guess what happens? You may not believe it, but your cars engine, plus its speed, will win out over your brakes. Even if you drive an underpowered economy car. Even worse, your driven wheels will keep applying power while your undriven wheels may lock up, resulting in a loss of directional control.

Average drivers are better off using the right foot for gas and brake, and leaving the left foot on the floor, or for the clutch if driving a manual.

It also saves them from being like some people I see, tapping the brakes while going UP hill, because that seems an easier way to adjust sped than adjusting the pressure on the gas pedal. And they wonder why their brakes wear out so quickly?

question everything

(47,544 posts)
62. That's what I was thinking. A driver, epecially if it is urgent, will press both pedals
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:41 PM
Apr 2015

Right now I have an image of the movie "The Blues Brothers" where they almost plunge into the Chicago river and are saved when John Belushi presses both feet on the break..

Make7

(8,543 posts)
75. That is completely wrong - braking will slow your car even under full throttle.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:22 PM
Apr 2015

[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#ffffff; margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #999999; border-radius:0.6154em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]Hit the Brakes

Certainly the most natural reaction to a stuck-throttle emergency is to stomp on the brake pedal, possibly with both feet. And despite dramatic horsepower increases since C/D’s 1987 unintended-acceleration test of an Audi 5000, brakes by and large can still overpower and rein in an engine roaring under full throttle. With the Camry’s throttle pinned while going 70 mph, the brakes easily overcame all 268 horsepower straining against them and stopped the car in 190 feet—that’s a foot shorter than the performance of a Ford Taurus without any gas-pedal problems and just 16 feet longer than with the Camry’s throttle closed. From 100 mph, the stopping-distance differential was 88 feet—noticeable to be sure, but the car still slowed enthusiastically enough to impart a feeling of confidence. We also tried one go-for-broke run at 120 mph, and, even then, the car quickly decelerated to about 10 mph before the brakes got excessively hot and the car refused to decelerate any further. So even in the most extreme case, it should be possible to get a car’s speed down to a point where a resulting accident should be a low-speed and relatively minor event.

But Toyota could do better. Since the advent of electronic throttle control, many automakers have added software to program the throttle to close—and therefore cut power—when the brakes are applied. Cars from BMW, Chrysler, Nissan/Infiniti, Porsche, and Volkswagen/Audi have this feature, and that’s precisely why the G37 aced this test. Even with the throttle floored and the vehicle accelerating briskly, stabbing the brakes causes the engine’s power to fade almost immediately, and as a result, the Infiniti stops in a hurry. From speeds of 70 or even 100 mph, the difference in braking results between having a pinned throttle or not was fewer than 10 feet, which isn’t discernible to the average driver. As a result of the unintended-acceleration investigation, Toyota is adding this feature posthaste.

We included the powerful Roush Mustang to test—in the extreme—the theory that “brakes are stronger than the engine.” From 70 mph, the Roush’s brakes were still resolutely king even though a pinned throttle added 80 feet to its stopping distance. However, from 100 mph, it wasn’t clear from behind the wheel that the Mustang was going to stop. But after 903 feet—almost three times longer than normal—the 540-hp supercharged Roush finally did succumb, chugging to a stop in a puff of brake smoke.



[font style="font-size:0.8462em;"]http://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-to-deal-with-unintended-acceleration[/font]

longship

(40,416 posts)
14. Us standard transmission drivers know that this is poppycock.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:02 PM
Apr 2015

For the reasons given in another response.

Left foot braking inevitably leads to riding the brakes, a universally bad thing to do.

Drops mike.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
26. Can't do it, nope...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:14 PM
Apr 2015

I have what I call "Body Dyslexia".

Which basically means that I get my signals crossed on which side I'm using.

Especially dangerous if I happen to be backing up and I'm turning my upper body to see to the rear. Then it feels like what's on the left is on the right and vice versa.

So if one foot is on the gas and one foot on the brake and I'm turned around, I'm going to think my right foot is the left foot and step on the gas instead of the brake.

OTOH, I after driving a car for a few years, I always have a hole in the mat between the gas and brake where I keep my right foot and pivot it back and forth without lifting. Also, I have had many pairs of shoes where the back of the heel is also worn away in the same manner. So I pivot with one foot and it works...

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
30. That's a bug, not a feature
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:20 PM
Apr 2015

You're standing on the throttle
You're standing on the brakes
In the groove 'til you make a mistake

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
33. Couple of things
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:23 PM
Apr 2015

1) Not advisable if you have a clutch.

2) If you "ride" the breaks, you will wear them out faster and worn breaks don't help your stopping distance.

3) Technology is making the issue moot, since cars are now on the road that will break automatically when something stops in front of you suddenly, or enters your path. In electric cars with regenerative braking, simply removing your foot from the accelerator engages regeneration which creates drag on the wheels, slowing the car down.

benld74

(9,911 posts)
37. Naaaa I dont believe it
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:25 PM
Apr 2015

even this sentence in the story says ' if your left foot were positioned over the brake pedal". Reaction time is reaction time, whether left or right foot is involved. To get the benefit one MUST drive with the left foot above the brake pedal at all times. Rather uncomfortable for more than some of the people I would say, me for one. I will rely on my years experience and observing the road ahead.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
70. I haven't had to do that since I got rid of my
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:55 PM
Apr 2015

old Austin Healy Sprite. It's second gear synchro was worn out, so you had to double clutch to shift down into it. No big deal, but my wife didn't like having to do that. I had a Hillman Minx, too, with the worn second gear synchro, and the car I learned to drive on was my fathers 1948 Dodge pickup, with a non-synchro four-speed. You double clutched every shift on that thing.

rjj621

(103 posts)
42. Nope, not me
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:27 PM
Apr 2015

My first car had a manual transmission and I've driven several over the years. My left foot only knows to push the pedal all the way so even in a standard car my left foot does not know how to brake gently.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
47. Seems dumb to me.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:35 PM
Apr 2015

It takes no less time to lift your left foot than to switch your right. In a panic situation, I can easily imagine pressing to the floor with both feet, which would lead to even worse consequences. For those who can easily make the transition, whatever. Not for me.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
99. Agree.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 01:53 PM
Apr 2015

I once had a close call - I was in an industrial area - an area that you just don't expect kids to be in. There was a truck parked on the side of the road with an attached (industrial type) trailer. Now, when I took driver training my instructor was absolutely rigid about me ALWAYS checking under the cars parked on the side of the road for little feet, in case a kid runs out from between a parked car. So I checked. No feet. I thought it was all clear.

Suddenly, a small child no older than 5, jumped out from between the truck and trailer right in front of my car. I jumped on the brake with both feet and pushed that pedal to the floor. Thank god for ABS as there was gravel on the road. I stopped about a foot away from the kid who was frozen like a deer in headlights. I stopped and asked the kid where his parents were (And saw several siblings playing on the hitch between the truck and trailer) and the kid ignored me, but a sibling yelled out that they were in a building down the street. Apparently the parents left the kids in the truck, and they got bored and decided to leave the truck to play on the trailer hitch (hence why I didn't see any feet!). I was 8 months pregnant at the time and was certain I was going to go into labor that night. Geez.

Anyway, the point is that when it comes down to it, I know I will use both my feet to hit the brake. I generally brake with my right. I effing HATE people who ride their brakes with their left foot, drives me insane. Not to mention brake wear and tear. I know now that in a braking emergency, both my feet are at the ready. And no risk of accidentally pressing on the gas...because I'm used to using my right for the brake. So, yeah, using your left foot to brake seems dumb to me too. Far more drawbacks than positives, IMO.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
51. Oh, HELL, no! The right foot cannot go beyond the brake to the gas pedal; HOWEVER, the left foot can
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:31 PM
Apr 2015

overshoot the brake, hit the gas, and then where are you?

Not to mention being caught with a foot on each pedal.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
55. poor drivers brake with their left foot, also poor drivers have hands at 10 & 2
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:35 PM
Apr 2015

Also, if it is drizzle outside and you see wipers on full blast...you'll see a poor driver and 90% of the time hands will be at 10 & 2...


CanonRay

(14,121 posts)
58. I hate driving behind two footed drivers
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:38 PM
Apr 2015

they are forever needlessly tapping the brake pedal, and hence the brake lights. Drives me nuts. One foot, unless you are handicapped.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
67. Not gonna matter too much longer. Cars are gonna be self-driving.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:50 PM
Apr 2015

They will be so much more safe that human drivers won't be able to get insured, so, enjoy it while you can.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
71. Reminds me of when I went car shopping with my dad back in the 70's...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:56 PM
Apr 2015

We drove the family wagon (with automatic) to test drive a coupe with a manual. Afterwards we got out on the road in the wagon and my dad had a brain fart-- he jammed down on the wagon's brake pedal thinking he was shifting and nearly put us both through the windshield.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
74. Left foot braking is commonly taught in performance driving classes
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:11 PM
Apr 2015

It doesn't just reduce reaction time to effective action but provides a tool for adjusting handling based on the the effect of transferring weight to aid steering. I have spent my whole working life on the public roads and an avid motorsport enthusiast so any tool that can be used to reduce the occurrence or severity of accidents has my support.
If you drive a manual you probably already have a dead pedal to the left of the clutch. If you don't, you should add one and be using it to pivot your left foot between the two. The same can be done with an automatic.
I haven't bought an automatic since 1977 but have had to drive them far too often. I always initiated braking with my left foot.
I've been both a "balls to the walls" driver and a safety nazi and from both sides I say the same thing. Learn to drive and learn to do it safe and well. If you do it safe you might save my life and if you do it well you might provide a helluva race.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
76. Hell, yeah. Mechanics need the bu$ine$$...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:32 PM
Apr 2015

For a while, I made a living as a mechanic. You could always tell a brake rider: -20k miles on fresh pads, heat-scored rotors, sometimes seized calipers. I told the these customers I could not warranty my work due to operator abuse. They would be perplexed until I asked to ride with them down the street: Their left foot was always on the brake. "But I don't feel any slowing"

I said that the rear brakes (usually drum) probably aren't contacting at all due to the proportional valve acting to let pressure build up equally in the system, but that the front brake pads are always lightly brushing the rotors; any touch of the brake pedal applies the front disc brakes, even if you don't feel any slowing. Result: Prematurely fried brakes.

Note also that even if you "quickly" apply a left foot to stop that does NOT equate to releasing to gas pedal at the same time; hence you are working against the engine's power to the drive train. You could be making it More difficult to stop safely.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
78. I always love to be behind someone who rides their brakes
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:37 PM
Apr 2015

I have a clutch for my left foot. And using my left foot for my brakes would cause me stop suddenly and most likely get hit in the back. I'll stick with what works. Looking at tail lights ahead and keeping some distance. Riding your brakes for the sake of having your foot close to the brakes adds confusion in traffic. I try and stay away from those people.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
79. I have been driving with my left foot for years.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:42 PM
Apr 2015

Many years ago, I broke my right ankle and could not use it to drive, so I got into the habit of driving with my left foot. And now I still have that habit.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
80. I love opinions...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:46 PM
Apr 2015

.... arrived at by folks who know just enough to be dangerous.

There a numerous reasons that all reputable driver education says to use your right foot for braking. This article is bullshit.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
84. Lots of bullshit going around.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 04:15 PM
Apr 2015

Bloggers are forever posting nonsense, which other Internet users spread widely around. Bloggers gotta blog, I guess, whether they know what they're talking about or not.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
89. That's stupid.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:54 PM
Apr 2015

Most people will end up jamming both pedals down in an emergency.

Just pay attention and learn to drive properly. Left good braking is idiotic and will only serve to wear out brakes and make your brakelights come on non-fucking-stop.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
91. I think I'll just stick to what
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:06 PM
Apr 2015

has worked for me for 40 years now.

Of course, I drive with a manual transmission, and my left foot pays attention to the clutch. I also don't actually use my brakes much; I can slow down without them, and the only things I've had to suddenly brake for in the last decade have been deer. Happily, I haven't hit any.

I do, though, feel my adrenaline rise, and find my right foot automatically hitting the brake unnecessarily when someone in front of me is riding their brakes.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
93. I've driven manual vehicles for decades and will continue to
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:13 PM
Apr 2015

Even though we get nowhere remotely close to the volume of snow that the East saw this season, we can get enough to make driving a task that manual transmissions simply deal with better.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
94. Nonsense.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:18 PM
Apr 2015

That is a bad driver.

That's how my elderly father (used to) and my mother still drives.

Bad driving.

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
98. I decided too try left foot braking, my take!
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 01:29 PM
Apr 2015

I left the house and headed down I-79 to my home town about 60 miles away and then took route 119 to route 40 over the summit and stopped at the lady luck casino then back on route 40 over the summit again to turnpike 43 up to route 51 and back to Pittsburgh, a trip of about 120 miles!

I used my left foot to brake and my right foot for the gas pedal, I thought it worked really well and will be testing it further on future trips, my car is an automatic so can't say anything about standard transmissions.

I never felt the need to ride my foot on the brake pedal and kept it on the floor board. I always look ahead to see when I might need to brake and it seemed that it was faster using my left foot than my right foot and that I had more control over all and that you can concentrate better using all you limbs.

I'm not recommending anybody else try it because a lot of people were taught to brake with their right foot and I think it is to late for them to change.

Al

Orrex

(63,239 posts)
101. When I need to stop, I simply drop the anchor out the window.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 01:57 PM
Apr 2015

None of this half-assed "brake pedal" stuff for me, thanks.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
109. I'm short so it just doesn't work for me. I have been driving for 23 years and my last car accident
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 05:46 PM
Apr 2015

was 19 years ago. Giving yourself enough distance between you and the car in front of you helps.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
118. It's probably better to get used to left foot braking if you're driving an AT, BUT!!!
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:40 PM
Apr 2015

Most of the difference in the braking time is how long it takes your brain to process and react and tell the foot to brake. The difference between using right and left foot is almost none of that reaction time.

LostOne4Ever

(9,290 posts)
119. I don't know about that but I do know
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:48 PM
Apr 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]That if you can see the sides of the vehicle you are driving in your side view mirrors you are doing it wrong.[/font]

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