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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:50 PM Apr 2015

Rand Paul and the Empty Box

About a year ago I was ruminating on the idea that if you took the singular value decomposition of the matrix representing American political opinions, you'd find that it's rank is effectively 1. Only one eigenvector would have a nontrivial value. Krugman is making the same observation here:

Nate Cohn tells us that Rand Paul can’t win as a libertarian, because there basically aren’t any libertarians. And that’s true. I wish I could say that Rand Paul can’t win because he believes in crank monetary economics, etc. But the truth is that these things matter much less than the fact that not many Americans consider themselves libertarian, and even those who do are deluding themselves.

But why? Think of a stylized representation of issue space:



...

So why are these boxes empty? Why is American politics essentially one-dimensional, so that supporters of gay marriage are also supporters of guaranteed health insurance and vice versa? (And positions on foreign affairs — bomb or talk? — are pretty much perfectly aligned too).

Well, the best story I have is Corey Robin’s: It’s fundamentally about challenging or sustaining traditional hierarchy. The actual lineup of positions on social and economic issues doesn’t make sense if you assume that conservatives are, as they claim, defenders of personal liberty on all fronts. But it makes perfect sense if you suppose that conservatism is instead about preserving traditional forms of authority: employers over workers, patriarchs over families. A strong social safety net undermines the first, because it empowers workers to demand more or quit; permissive social policy undermines the second in obvious ways.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/07/rand-paul-and-the-empty-box/
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Rand Paul and the Empty Box (Original Post) phantom power Apr 2015 OP
I think this only works if you cherry-pick your issues malthaussen Apr 2015 #1
Experiment appears to agree: phantom power Apr 2015 #3
Experiment may demonstrate increasing hardening of party lines... malthaussen Apr 2015 #4
Safety nets? How does Krugman classify the following? merrily Apr 2015 #2

malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
1. I think this only works if you cherry-pick your issues
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:34 PM
Apr 2015

Take gun control, for example. It's hard to think that authoritarians would be opposed to gun control, when people talk about Second Amendment solutions and Lockean appeals. Granted, the authoritarians could be smart enough to realize that Second Amendment solutions and Lockean appeals have no bearing in modern society, and thus oppose gun control because they think such opposition will allow them to manipulate their constituents more sucessfully. But I think that grants them more intelligence than they have.

No, I feel (I wouldn't go so far as to characterize it as "opinion" or "thought&quot that the conservative types are mostly animated by the two Ss, Selfishness and Schadenfreude. I feel Mr Krugman is trying to find underlying principles where there are none. The amount of flip-flopping these people do on various issues tells me that they have no convictions at all, except to get their own way and deprive others as much as possible. I do think schadenfreude plays a much greater role in these conservatives than is generally appreciated. It comes out when they rail aginst welfare recipients spending money on lobster and crab legs, welfare mothers driving Cadillacs. The attitude is not just the well-acknowledged "I got mine," but also an earnest desire to see to it that others don't get theirs.

-- Mal

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
3. Experiment appears to agree:
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:18 PM
Apr 2015

These are a series of projections of the top-2 eigenvectors. You can see that even in the 2-D projections, the points inhabit an effectlvely 1-D manifold:

http://saweis.net/svd/

One example:

malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
4. Experiment may demonstrate increasing hardening of party lines...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:37 PM
Apr 2015

... but it doesn't tell us why -- it's not even asking that question. Mr Krugman is speculating that authoritarianism is the determinate factor in the observed process. I'm disagreeing with that speculation, not the experimental results.

-- Mal

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. Safety nets? How does Krugman classify the following?
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:41 PM
Apr 2015
President Clinton signed historic welfare legislation yesterday that rewrites six decades of social policy, ending the federal guarantee of cash assistance to the poor and turning welfare programs over to the states.

"Today, we are ending welfare as we know it," Clinton said at a White House ceremony, where he was flanked by three former welfare recipients.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/welfare/stories/wf082396.htm


Obama Pledges Reform of Social Security, Medicare
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR2009011504114.html


Obama creates National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/president-obama-establishes-bipartisan-national-commission-fiscal-responsibility-an


Conyers: It was Obama who put cuts to Social Security on the table, not the Republicans.
http://www.crewof42.com/news/conyers-on-jobs-weve-had-it-lays-out-obama-calls-for-protest-at-white-house/


Bill Clinton tells Ryan to call him if he (Ryan) needs help with Democrats re: "reforming" Medicare
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/on-medicare-bill-clinton-tells-rep-paul-ryan-give-me-a-call/ (note: the link to abc now says the page is missing, but I've seen it many times and wanted to link to it.)


Obama creates Super "Grand Bargain" Committee
http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/11/news/economy/debt_committee_members/


Proposal for Sequester originated with Obama White House, not with Republicans
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/03/03/white-house-admits-third-time-president-obama-fibbed-on-sequester/

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