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peacebird

(14,195 posts) Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:10 PM Apr 2015

On NPR this afternoon was a story about reforming police culture. He said it would be slow.

Even said it could take 20 years as older cops retire. We don't have 20 years. We need to start weeding out bad cops now. Cops need to drop the warrior police attitude and see themselves in protect and serve mode.
The blue wall needs to fall, cops know who is dirty, who is racist. The good cops need to out the bad.
When they act as executioner they need to be jailed.

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On NPR this afternoon was a story about reforming police culture. He said it would be slow. (Original Post) peacebird Apr 2015 OP

sorry but the criminal protection union likes things as they are right now nt msongs Apr 2015 #1

Perhaps, but people don't. peacebird Apr 2015 #2

This is a major crisis and there needs to be a big shake up. Chemisse Apr 2015 #3

Ah, yes, the GOP's NPR. "Be patient, be patient." How often have we heard that? nt valerief Apr 2015 #4

Older cops are not necessariy the problem. truedelphi Apr 2015 #5

We need a major shake up in police culture. The conversation is starting, I don't know where peacebird Apr 2015 #7

From recent incidents, it doesn't seem that older cops are particularly the problem. (nt) enough Apr 2015 #6

Agreed it looks that way to me too. But older cops are generally the leaders (chiefs, etc) peacebird Apr 2015 #8

Actually find them guilty of something and send them to jail greymattermom Apr 2015 #9

NPR is as much a part of the ''establishment's culture'' as the cops. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #10

msongs

(67,462 posts)

1. sorry but the criminal protection union likes things as they are right now nt

Reply to peacebird (Original post)

Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:14 PM

Apr 2015

peacebird

(14,195 posts)

2. Perhaps, but people don't.

Reply to msongs (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:15 PM

Apr 2015

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)

3. This is a major crisis and there needs to be a big shake up.

Reply to peacebird (Original post)

Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:27 PM

Apr 2015

There is a whole list of things that can be done to improve this situation. We can't just sit around and watch people die while waiting for attitudes to change or for racist cops to retire.

valerief

(53,235 posts)

4. Ah, yes, the GOP's NPR. "Be patient, be patient." How often have we heard that? nt

Reply to peacebird (Original post)

Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:28 PM

Apr 2015

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)

5. Older cops are not necessariy the problem.

Reply to peacebird (Original post)

Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:39 PM

Apr 2015

I would take an older cop over some young "I just got back from Tours of Afghanistan, and Iraq" gung ho "Let's take no prisoners" type of police person any day of the week.

And how could we do this more quickly? For one thing, let's revise how we view the testing of police job candidates. I mean, how is it that people taking the psychological profile for being hired by a PD find that if they score too high in terms of sympathy and empathy, then they are not eligible to be hired!

A friend of mine told me how her cousin, who had served two tours as a Marine,well, he scored too high on empathy, so the San Francisco area Police Departments will not hire him!

peacebird

(14,195 posts)

7. We need a major shake up in police culture. The conversation is starting, I don't know where

Reply to truedelphi (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 11, 2015, 07:19 AM

Apr 2015

it went wrong, or when we lost the protect and serve mindset. I think part of it is with the start of swat teams and no knock drug raids, and has accelerated with the adoption of war equipment cast off by the military.

enough

(13,265 posts)

6. From recent incidents, it doesn't seem that older cops are particularly the problem. (nt)

Reply to peacebird (Original post)

Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:36 PM

Apr 2015

peacebird

(14,195 posts)

8. Agreed it looks that way to me too. But older cops are generally the leaders (chiefs, etc)

Reply to enough (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 11, 2015, 07:20 AM

Apr 2015

I don't know where the rot starts, but we need to root it out.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)

9. Actually find them guilty of something and send them to jail

Reply to peacebird (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2015, 07:53 AM

Apr 2015

These cops do not want to be in jail. I think some high profile convictions and very clear rules will help a lot. Everyone needs to understand that they are always being recorded also, and that cell phone videos are evidence. Don't let the guilty free. Even a short jail term and loss of job and pension will have a big effect.

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)

10. NPR is as much a part of the ''establishment's culture'' as the cops.

Reply to peacebird (Original post)

Sat Apr 11, 2015, 08:51 AM

Apr 2015

They offer soft words of contrition and patience. That we must accept the racism and bigotry and the authoritarianism for just a little longer. They remind me of the white leaders in the churches and social organizations (and many blacks too) back in the day -- all of them telling MLK to: ''wait a little longer and things will work themselves out.''

- Hey NPR and cops -- FUCK YOU!

Letter From A Birmingham Jail...

In closing the letter, King criticized the clergy’s praise of the Birmingham police for maintaining order nonviolently. ''Recent public displays of nonviolence by the police were in stark contrast to their typical treatment of black people, and, as public relations, helped 'to preserve the evil system of segregation.' Not only is it wrong to use immoral means to achieve moral ends, but also “to use moral means to preserve immoral ends.” Instead of the police, King praised the nonviolent demonstrators in Birmingham, “for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer and their amazing discipline in the midst of great provocation. One day the South will recognize its real heroes.”

K&R

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