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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 06:24 AM Apr 2015

Oh noes!! How dare she!! Hillary's going to use her gender

in her campaign- something she avoided in 2008. Good. Good for her. Just as it was good that President Obama used his race- he frequently brought up issues of race on the campaign trail. There is nothing wrong with Hillary bringing up issues related to or associated with women.

To suggest that that is her platform- and I'm seeing that all over DU- is SEXIST CRAP. Stop fucking doing it.

I don't like a lot of Hillary's positions. I don't trust her on the issues most vital to me. I'm less than sure that she'd win the general, and yet here I am feeling like I have to defend her.

Fuck the sexist crap that's swirling around DU. IT IS SICKENING.

sincerely,

a very anti-Hillary for the nomination cali

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SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
1. I agree with you that she should be bringing up women's issues
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 06:27 AM
Apr 2015

As should every candidate.

I don't think however that she should run a "vote for me because I'm a woman" campaign. There's a big difference.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. there is NO indication that she'll do that. And to even suggest it is sexist dog shit
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 06:31 AM
Apr 2015

sheesh. democratic activist, attny, 2 term senator and secretary of state. Not to mention that she's never run on that.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. I haven't seen it- criticism sure, but not the sexist shit that's been posted in the past
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 06:57 AM
Apr 2015

few days.

If there's been so much of it prior to that, please post a few.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. no, I don't have a selective memory. But YOU evidently do
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 07:11 AM
Apr 2015

<snip>
During her first run for the presidency, Clinton's most pointed reference to the historic nature of her candidacy came only in her concession speech, when she mentioned trying to break "the highest, hardest glass ceiling.'' That would be the unspoken "narrative'' of a 2016 campaign, just as Obama's status as an African American was in 2008, says Jennifer Lawless of American University's Women and Politics Institute.
<snip>

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/19/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign/24958937/


After spending much of her 2008 campaign seemingly running away from the fact that she is a woman, Hillary Clinton is showing signs that 2016 is going to be a different story.

<snip>

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/01/opinion/brazile-hillary-clinton-woman-2016/


I could post dozens more like the two excerpts I have posted.

krawhitham

(4,650 posts)
11. Post away
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:47 AM
Apr 2015

in 2007/8 After months of Hillary Clinton and her team telling the American people that she would wrap up the Democratic nomination by early February (link1 link2) It came as a shock when she lost the 1st contest, the Iowa caucuses on January 3. She then went on TV on the eve of the New Hampshire primary (Jan 7th) trailing Obama by double-digits and cried about how hard it is. This happened during a chat with a gathering of women at a coffee shop in Portsmouth. It happened as a response to this question

"How, did you get out the door every day? I mean, as a woman, I know how hard it is to get out of the house and get ready. Who does your hair?"

She went on to win New Hampshire primary by 3 points after trailing by 13 points the week before (but Clinton & Obama both got 9 delegates)


If any man had went on TV and cried about it being hard to run for President, ANY MAN PERIOD, his candidacy would be OVER and he would be the laughing stock of the political world. So less than a week after the start of the 2008 primary/caucus season she was playing the gender card

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But wait there is more


As Oprah brought in tens of thousands of women and men to Obama events in Iowa, South Carolina and New Hampshire the second weekend of December, Clinton relied on the intergenerational appeal of having her mother and daughter by her side in an effort to reach out to women voters.


http://womensissues.about.com/od/profilesofpoliticians/a/Clinton08run.htm

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“As we campaign to win the White House, we will make history and remake our future,” the former first lady said.


Hillary Clinton 2008 Presidential Announcement http://aol.it/1D98F6x

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A prominent feminist, allied with the presidential campaign of former Sen. John Edwards, accused Democratic front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday of "disingenuously playing the victim card" by infusing her campaign with messages about gender.

"When unchallenged, in a comfortable, controlled situation, Sen. Clinton embraces her political elevation into the 'boys club,' " Kate Michelman, the former president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, wrote in a posting on a blog of the liberal group Open Left.

"But when she's challenged, when legitimate questions are asked, questions she should be prepared to answer and discuss, she is just as quick to raise the white flag and look for a change in the rules," Michelman said. "It's trying to have it both ways."


http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/04/nation/na-clinton4

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Obama accuses Clinton of hiding behind gender

"So it doesn't make sense for her, after having run that way for eight months, the first time that people start challenging her point of view, that suddenly she backs off and says: 'Don't pick on me,'" he said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/11/02/us-usa-politics-obama-idUSN0254101120071102

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Clinton's Campaign Embraces Gender

The new emphasis on gender by a candidate who once famously disparaged baking cookies and having teas — enraging many women who enjoyed both those activities — takes many forms, explicit and implicit. Clinton's new stump speech raises, before she can be asked, the question of whether Americans will elect a female president, and she speaks at times specifically as a woman and as a mother.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clintons-campaign-embraces-gender/

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Hillary Clinton targets women's vote

Just 12 days into her campaign
, the New York senator and former first lady has made it clear that appealing to female voters will be central to her message, and not the afterthought it has been in past presidential campaigns. Already, her campaign says, young women in particular are drawn to her candidacy and the prospect of electing America's first woman president. Officials with the Clinton campaign cite anecdotal evidence from supporters and from the turnout of women at early campaign events.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0201/p01s04-uspo.html

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I could post dozens more like the few excerpts I have posted.
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. bwhahahahaha. what bullshit, tenuous crap, hon.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:53 AM
Apr 2015

Obama's accusation is hardly evidence. Nor is showing up with (gasp) relatives.. Post something Hillary actually SAID.

The fact is, she scarcely mentioned it- not even a tenth as much as Obama mentioned race.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
8. Gave you your first Rec
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 07:12 AM
Apr 2015

I agree and to add as well that anyone who dares criticize her policy position is bashing her is equally ridiculous. Those that do it, you know who you are.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. well thanks for the rec, but we couldn't disagree more. I have plenty of criticism
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 07:15 AM
Apr 2015

of her policy positions and her record. Is that bashing? Seems like it is to you. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It's decidedly unhealthy to say a candidate shouldn't be criticized on policy. ack.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
10. Well, maybe I didn't say that as clear as it should have been
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 07:18 AM
Apr 2015

No, I do not think it is bashing. We should be criticizing all candidate's stances

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