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ashling

(25,771 posts)
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 06:06 PM Apr 2015

Hillary says she wants to be my champion?

I am not pro or anti anybody, so don't be offended, but

if she wants to champion hard working Americans as she says, she needs to

1) explain her ties to wall street and the financial crowd that ruined the economy and the lives of those she wants to champion

2) explain why she supports the TPP and its corporatist agenda

3) her support as secretary of state - and subsequently - of Monsanto


There are other things as well, I am sure, but lets start there.

Before Hillary supporters jump on me, you should know that I will be fully behind the nominee in the general, but I want to see a primary that engenders a full discussion of these and other issues.

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Hillary says she wants to be my champion? (Original Post) ashling Apr 2015 OP
I looked at your title and I saw "Hillary says she wants to be my champagne?" Autumn Apr 2015 #1
It is really unfortunate she didn't cover it in her video today. nt DURHAM D Apr 2015 #2
get a Dem candidate to run,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #3
Oh theres a reason alright.. bunnies Apr 2015 #5
Thats right Cryptoad Apr 2015 #9
Ive not refused to vote for the Democrat ever. bunnies Apr 2015 #11
I did not blame you,,,, geeez Cryptoad Apr 2015 #19
" Thank all those those you refused to vote over the last 20 years " bunnies Apr 2015 #34
Sorry,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #42
:) bunnies Apr 2015 #44
Lol! Circular argument bullshit. morningfog Apr 2015 #14
LOL no arguement to it,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #18
It's nonsense. morningfog Apr 2015 #20
Rather cryptic post, Cryptoad. ashling Apr 2015 #8
nothing to decipher ... Cryptoad Apr 2015 #10
Yes, you nailed that, but ashling Apr 2015 #25
Come ON Webb, O'Malley, Schweitzer, whoever! 7962 Apr 2015 #4
I'll hit the road for Chafee if his exploration turns into a hat being thrown in. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #12
I think he's going to do it, from the way I've heard him talk nt 7962 Apr 2015 #27
Perhaps Progressives will not run Thespian2 Apr 2015 #6
Or maybe the progressives are being "Halterized"? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #39
In addition to the trade issue the following is my greatest concern. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #7
Kicked! ibewlu606 Apr 2015 #13
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2015 #15
She has one very succinct response. obxhead Apr 2015 #16
I too am looking for her explanations on these important matters. lovemydog Apr 2015 #17
Exactly. ashling Apr 2015 #26
What she wants doesn't always come to fruition. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #21
Don't forget her support for more H1B Visas, further eroding our job market. Scuba Apr 2015 #22
Unions built the middle class. Not trickle down. Octafish Apr 2015 #23
change the name Hillary to Barack and the post is still true. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #24
"A new life awaits you in the off world colony" edgineered Apr 2015 #28
And a few more..... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #29
I truly don't understand loyalsister Apr 2015 #41
She needs to convince Elizabeth Warren to support her. Kablooie Apr 2015 #30
Warren is going to support her no matter what once she is the nominee davidpdx Apr 2015 #32
Yes she'll support her but there are different levels of support. Kablooie Apr 2015 #36
Sure I agree davidpdx Apr 2015 #37
I want Warren to enter the race Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #40
I do too davidpdx Apr 2015 #43
The office changes the person holding the office. randome Apr 2015 #45
The substance is in the middle of the triangle; JEB Apr 2015 #31
These are all good questions and well put in an neutral nonthreatening way davidpdx Apr 2015 #33
Add in her support of RTTT/NCLB and charter schools knitter4democracy Apr 2015 #35
Please HRC explain to us why you suppirted Gaza slaughter. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #38
her vote to authorize an illegal war against Iraq is deal breaker enough for me.... mike_c Apr 2015 #46
Explanations are spin. Orsino Apr 2015 #47

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
1. I looked at your title and I saw "Hillary says she wants to be my champagne?"
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 06:11 PM
Apr 2015

That was an interesting trick of my eyes.

Yeah I agree 1, 2 and 3, I'll think of more later.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
9. Thats right
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:52 PM
Apr 2015

the Fat Cats are not going to back a Progressive who wants to skin the Fat Cats.... Thank all those those you refused to vote over the last 20 years and let the GOP stack the SCOTUS to rule that Corps are people.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
11. Ive not refused to vote for the Democrat ever.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:56 PM
Apr 2015

I turned 18 in 1991 and have voted in every election since. The very first vote I cast was for Clinton. Dont blame me.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
42. Sorry,,,,,
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:10 AM
Apr 2015

that was supppose to read "Thank all those who refused to vote over the last 20 years". I really wasn't blaming you. I have no idea of your voting habits. Please accept my apology..

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
10. nothing to decipher ...
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:55 PM
Apr 2015

you said you wanted a strong healthy primary battle for the Dems.... all we are lacking is a candidate.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
25. Yes, you nailed that, but
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 09:54 PM
Apr 2015

your reasoning? You suggest there is a reason

And that reason is?

(+I should note that being half blind (and sort of lightheaded because of the champagne LOL) I don't type very fast and did not see the above back and forth)

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
4. Come ON Webb, O'Malley, Schweitzer, whoever!
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:40 PM
Apr 2015

I know a lot here back Sanders, but he cannot win. he's too old and that was one of the big strikes against McCain

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
6. Perhaps Progressives will not run
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:42 PM
Apr 2015

because the Clintons are vacuuming up all the corporate money available to Democrats?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
39. Or maybe the progressives are being "Halterized"?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:29 AM
Apr 2015

Named after Bill Halter, a liberal Democratic candidate for governor of Arkansas who was pushed out of the running by the state party establishment before the primary in favor of the more conservative Mike Ross, whose ass was subsequently handed to him on a platter in the general election.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
17. I too am looking for her explanations on these important matters.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 09:10 PM
Apr 2015

If and when she answers these questions let's post them here at DU.

I want to be as informed as possible.

I'm much less interested in any one poster's personal opinions on these three vital questions.

I want to hear her explanations straight from her, unvarnished & unedited.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
26. Exactly.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:00 PM
Apr 2015

I started to put that in my post too.

I am not interested in some diehard Hillary supporters telling me their opinion or feelings - not that I don't respect those - but I want to hear answers squarely put and directly from the lady herself.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
23. Unions built the middle class. Not trickle down.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 09:29 PM
Apr 2015

FDR made it happen in federal hiring and spending. Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ and, to an extent, Carter saw it through in policy and action.

The pukes have worked to destroy all their work for unions since Reagan in 1981.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
24. change the name Hillary to Barack and the post is still true.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 09:54 PM
Apr 2015

if money wins campaigns every candidate will be looking for money from Wall Street. That is where the money is. The only way to negate money is with votes, many of them. To inspire the apathetic should be the goal.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
28. "A new life awaits you in the off world colony"
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:06 PM
Apr 2015

is reserved for a future Clinton campaign, should they take the hint from promises in Blade Runner

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
29. And a few more.....
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:18 PM
Apr 2015
- The question I have about the tiara is, are they diamonds or zirconium?

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K&R

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
41. I truly don't understand
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:39 AM
Apr 2015

I'd like to know how long she thinks she is going to live. Who takes on what may be the most difficult job in the world at an age when most people retire?
I honestly can not understand what she thinks she can contribute beyond what she already has that would make a grueling campaign and job worth it. She has done a lot for us. It seems a little absurd to me- and even to many of my die hard, feminist, Democratic, female friends in her age group.
I have wondered if she is caught up in the romance of a 2nd wave feminist being president or something?

Kablooie

(18,644 posts)
30. She needs to convince Elizabeth Warren to support her.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:18 PM
Apr 2015

I trust that Warren will only support her if she believes Hillary will actively pursue the goals that Warren strives for.
If she did, I would feel a lot better about Hillary being our candidate.

( It's odd how we refer to Hillary by her first name and Warren by her last but that's what seems to communicate clearest right now.)

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
32. Warren is going to support her no matter what once she is the nominee
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:42 PM
Apr 2015

whether Clinton adapts her ideas or not. She'll pretty much have to as a Democrat. Until then Warren should stay neutral.

Kablooie

(18,644 posts)
36. Yes she'll support her but there are different levels of support.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:44 AM
Apr 2015

If Warren advocated for Hillary as someone who will genuinely fight excessive power for the moneyed elite, it would pull Warren supporters to Hillary's side.

I doubt this will happen though.
I don't think Hillary really wants Wall Street reigned in.
It seems nearly all politicians of both parties think that Wall Street and large corporations grabbing more riches for themselves, even at the expense of our citizens, is good for the country.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
37. Sure I agree
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:48 AM
Apr 2015

But if she's not out there hitting the stump for Hillary after the nomination is tied up (assuming she is the nominee) she'll get a lot of shit from the DLC wing.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
40. I want Warren to enter the race
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:33 AM
Apr 2015

I am so sick of this DLC/Third Way crap, and the way that Hillary's husband has embraced the Bushes and campaigned against at least one liberal Democrat.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
43. I do too
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:24 AM
Apr 2015

But I am almost resigned that we are stuck with who we are stuck with. There will be no Barack Obama this time around.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
45. The office changes the person holding the office.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:47 AM
Apr 2015

Candidate Hillary will likely not be the same as President Hillary. Hope for the best and continue pushing her in the right direction.
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davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
33. These are all good questions and well put in an neutral nonthreatening way
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:44 PM
Apr 2015

There is no reason anyone should jump all over you about your post. I hope you get the answers you are looking for.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
35. Add in her support of RTTT/NCLB and charter schools
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:39 AM
Apr 2015

She is no friend to public education, at least, not any more. She needs to explain that and make some real strides to get the teacher vote back.

I refused to work for the Obama re-election campaign or give any money after he ended up being W. Bush 2 when it comes to education. I will continue to refuse to work for or give to any campaign that is against public ed.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
46. her vote to authorize an illegal war against Iraq is deal breaker enough for me....
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:20 PM
Apr 2015

I've said it many times-- those who voted to invade Iraq are unfit for public office.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
47. Explanations are spin.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 01:24 PM
Apr 2015

I need to know what she's going to do about Wall Street's grip on us.

It's early yet, but continued silence is going to mean more of the same.

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