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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhere is Hillary Clinton on the Left Right Spectrum
I know there are a lot of ways to measure politicians and political positions - just taking a simple one for this poll.
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Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)The poll isn't really about where HRC actually is, but where we think she is.
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(45,788 posts)Unvanguard
(4,588 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Probably, but more specifics would be helpful:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
Unvanguard
(4,588 posts)Even assuming its approach effectively captures real political differences. The result is going to be determined by what you put in, and what you put in is determined by your initial assessment of what a person's political attitudes are--which is exactly what is contested here. (A straight test of political positions, where all the questions are highly specific policy questions, might ameliorate this problem insofar as you could rely on a candidate's public positions, but the Political Compass mostly asks questions about political attitudes that are more subjective and less susceptible to that sort of approach.)
rock
(13,218 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)But we can judge her as liberal based on her voting record relative to a group of 100 wealthy Americans?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6497910
Unvanguard
(4,588 posts)That's what I said, that the methodology would work if the test were about specific policy positions that could be straightforwardly mapped onto her votes in the Senate or other public positions she's taken. But that's not how the test is designed.
DW-NOMINATE, unlike the Political Compass, is based entirely on the votes a member of Congress takes while serving in Congress. There is no subjectivity of interpretation problem. You may think that any True Liberal would have to be the 1st or 2nd most liberal member of the Senate, instead of merely the 11th, but if that's the case you are employing a definition of "liberal" that is pretty foreign to the American political context. Clinton is a mainstream liberal by the standards of our politics. Maybe mainstream liberalism is too conservative; that's probably true. But it's a different argument.
on point
(2,506 posts)mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Although her voting records is liberal... her coziness with RW gets her middle.
Bettie
(16,134 posts)but, the possible candidates for the other party are so far to the right that she is liberal in comparison to them.
Unvanguard
(4,588 posts)This Daily Kos post does a good job of looking at the relevant data: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/31/1374629/-Hillary-Clinton-Was-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate#
olddots
(10,237 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I have a feeling this will explain some of what we are seeing these days.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)It's just not possible.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)H2O Man
(73,645 posts)Ms. Clinton is liberal on social policy; conservative on economic policy; and hawkish on foreign policy. She is, by definition, what the original neoconservatives were, very much in the mold of Daniel Patrick Moynihan.