Body cams seem to actually tell the real story.

so they can say they prosecuted it, thereby assuaging criticism about cop violence, while still keeping their sheriff buddies happy

Step three: get an arrest here and there

Step four: start to see convictions



baby steps

Maybe we'll be fortunate enough to move from here to reviewing the excessive use of tasers in the first place?

I can dream!!

Something is wrong.

He'll do time served and pay a fine. He's off the hook.

Racist fucker. Funny how they only make "mistakes" shooting black men.

to the police force. I have never heard of such a thing. At 73 years old, why is his ass out playing cowboy?

He donates money so they let him be a cop? Wtf? That should not even be a thing.

It's like running a hunting preserve, for human prey. As awful as some cops truly are, at least they are employed by someone, in theory, to which they are accountable.

and on the completely off topic mention of GoT Memes, I saw this today and it cracked me up.



They have a bunch of others, but that one had me rolling

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/game-of-thrones-house-sigil-parodies?ref=related-entries

Oh, and this one

I'm going over there to check it out right now.
Did you watch last night? I set up my snacks and stuff like an hour in advance. Yay!! It's back!!!

I am watching them all!

So good. I watch Joffrey die over and over. And Oberyn.

This is so past ridiculous it's amazing — a 73-year-old rich donator being entrusted with a gun, badge and the authority to apprehend and arrest.

It's gonna take all their fingers and toes to count the number of zeros on the end of the victim's relatives' lawsuit.

They need to sue the rich guy personally too. For everything he has.

The sheriff is an elected position, at least, so the next election a sheriff could run opposed to the incumbent and promise to get rid of these programs. At that point it is up to the voters to decide.

is that EVERYTHING is underfunded thanks to 40 years of Republicans trying to strangle government in the bathtub while reaping rewards for destroying the government that they purportedly were elected to run.

We need to start taxing some corporations, some billionaires and vote these shitheads that think austerity is the road to prosperity out of office.

You don't have a healthy nation if you don't fund it.

I vaguely think I've heard of them 'playing cop' in the past as well, although I don't think they managed to shoot anyone while so doing.

drove a tank over someone's dog and into a house.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/31/actor-steven-seagal-sued-for-driving-tank-into-arizona-home-killing-puppy/

why Arpaio still has a job. He seems to do something that exhibits cruelty, meanness or poor judgment at least once a week. He's everything that is wrong with LEO's in the country, and unfortunately, too many take after him.

What a stupid idea.

Whoopsie Daisy is NOT a defense for shooting an unarmed man in the back.

Can anyone clarify this one point for me? I heard that the deceased was NOT a felon. If that was the case then how could he have been selling illegal guns? Did we get legislation stating that citizens cannot legally buy or sell firearms and I didn't get the memo?

Non-felon citizen is selling a gun. Perhaps this should be illegal but I don't think that it is. From the facts I've gathered about this case, it was a set up and cold blooded murder.

Maybe stolen guns? Nothing to get shot while he was being held down over, I'm sure.

when the guy shot him. That's murder, even if it was Hitler.

I believe that the deceased man was NOT a felon. A non-felon has the right to possess, buy and sell firearms. I believe that these cops set this man up and shot him in cold blooded murder. This case and the man shot in the back in SC last week has changed the minds of a lot of non-Left folks. Too bad that's what it takes but positive change is on it's way.

The Walter Scott MURDER, changed the way many view the police. I looks at Glenn Beck's site last week, they were calling Michael Slager a murdere. And they are right.

course it was. This one is even worse IMO.

Folks on the fence or previously giving Police the benefit of the doubt are seeing the truth now. In a year or two there won't be any LEO's without a camera at all times and that' a good thing.

Our watchers need watching.

Grant, Travon Martin etc. Good meaning folks have been realizing that they were wrong.

We've seen with our own eyes, an unarmed black men shot in the back two weeks in a row. Police clearly planting evidence in one and possibly setting the other guy up on a bogus charge.

Considering this and the fact that cameras on every LEO is not that expensive- yup it's gonna happen. How can someone be against it?

Every conservative I have spoken to says, "if they are doing nothing wrong, why are they scared of cameras?"
They stopped asking why we run from the cops. They see why now. Cops are scary.

It's the right thing to do if people care about right and wrong.

up. Oh, wait, it didn't take a gazillion dead black guys -- it took secret videos of the actual murders to wake anybody up.

Police arrest people. They don't play judge, jury and executioner. Every 2 days a person is killed by a police officer. Something is very, very wrong in this country.

A wealthy insurance executive handed a gun, a badge and a license to murder just because he paid $2500 to the Sheriff's re-election campaign shouldn't just raise eyebrows - it should raise some damn torches and pitchforks!!!

I think this is a pretty good example of what happens when those two intersect. Black men exercising second amendment rights get shot in the back for doing so, while white guys can aim assault rifles at federal agents from behind concrete barriers and never even get arrested.

"Tulsa police Sgt. Jim Clark, who investigated the case, on Friday determined that the shooting was not a crime and did not violate department policy.

"Reserve Deputy Bates did not commit a crime," he said. "There's no other determination I could come to."

Clark cited "slip and capture," a psychological phenomenon where, under stress, someone's behavior "slips" off the intended path after being "captured" by a stronger response demanded by the brain.

Clark determined that Bates was a "victim" of the phenomenon."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/13/oklahoma-shooting-video/25702233/

Utterly bizarre!

Vomit-inducing.

You get one shot at a trial in the United States. Murder requires that the DA prove intent. Manslaughter simply requires that they prove negligence. If they charged the guy with murder and failed to convince a jury that he did it on purpose, the guy would walk free...even if the DA proved that the guy actually committed the killing.

Charging beyond the evidence is a great way to let the guilty walk free.

Thanks for the good news, bravenak.

We needed this. After the 'fuck your breath!" I was heated.

I was very shocked.

The thug who said "fuck your breath" to the dying man. I don't see any criminal charges, but he needs to be separated from the force.

On the tip of my tongue...

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... who had to leave his current job to go back to deal with the aftermath.

Edit: It was lead officer who actually initiated the contact...

I'm not buying it. And why was he being allowed to play cops?

So they let him play cop.

That's just wrong. So, if I donate money to a hospital, will they let me be a surgeon?

"Tulsa Sheriff Stanley Glanz, 72, said he had been friends with Mr Bates for 50 years, and that Mr Bates had been his insurance agent. He showed the Tulsa World newspaper a photograph of them fishing together.
Sheriff Glanz told Tulsa World: "Bob and I both love to fish. Is it wrong to have a friend? He made an error. How many errors are made in an operating room every week?"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11531766/White-septuagenarian-pay-to-play-cop-shoots-dead-unarmed-black-suspect.html

He sounds like a small town good ole boy who is way too used to running the Police Dept. his own way for too long.

Sorry I was speeding - it was just an error.


Sorry I ran that red light - my foot slipped.

You can have a friend sheriff. Nobody said you couldn't. But you shouldn't make him a deputy when he's plainly not qualified and give him a gun. Especially if he can't tell the difference between that and a taser.

(not that it will help the poor soul he killed) .... but the family needs to sue , sue, sue that sheriff's department. I am no spring chicken (53), but it is disingenuous not to acknowledge our reflexes slow over time. Possibly, if this idiot was a life long law enforcement agent he may have had the skills to do this .... some jack ass yahoo (who is also 73) insurance agent should NOT have been issued a gun , nor should he have been allowed to participate in any real policing operations.

The sheriff's department is as guilty (maybe more) than this idiot (he is guilty, too .... just anted to make that clear)

He seriously tried to compare it to medical malpractice.
The whole "Let's play cops "department needs to be shut down.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html

Kunzweiler is one serious D.A. I am so happy to see him as our D.A. We have had a rather lame and at times crooked D.A. for quite some time. Kunzweitler is the real deal. My Tulsa Police Sergeant and Lawyer Son, said that he has been impressed by the actions of Kunzweiler ever time he appeared in court representing the D.A.s office. make no mistake about the difference in the education and training between the Tulsa Police Department and the Tulsa Sheriff's Deputies. It is not the same. The Police are much more highly trained.

Please note that the Oklahoma statute for first degree murder has a 4 year minimal sentence, so what time if any will this guy get, what may be house arrest?
Given the fact that he was already on the ground, in custody, with officers on him when shot, the DOJ will have a hard time NOT SAYING THAT HIS CIVIL RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED.
Let's just see where we go from here!



"Glanz also said he had no plans to change the deputy reserve program"

You are crazy, Mr Glanz . . .I hope the DOJ DOES come into Tulsa because of this. THEN we will have the chance of a competent police force coming out of it.

Stanly is in trouble. He has more than a few people in City Hall that more than dislike him. This is how Stanly acts and he is not going to change. He has never been remorseful for the death of a bad guy and he never will. (Stanley is Glanz)

The video and the statements released to the press raise a reasonable suspicion that the reserve deputy committed felony manslaughter. Unfortunately the LE response to this likely homicide fits the "thin blue line" philosophy in which there are "cops" and "other people". "Other people" are supposed to IMMEDIATELY COMPLY with whatever unbalanced commands or force are imposed on them, and that unsatisfactory policy must be corrected. Yet the system excuses cops for seemingly any mistake, whereas we can all guess what would happen to a private citizen who "accidentally" used a firearm instead of mace or a Taser when lethal force wasn't legally justifiable. If the Tulsa County District Attorney doesn't launch a serious, unbiased, "for real" investigation then you may fairly assume that the private lives of "other people" are expendable in the law enforcement community.

Well I hope he loses that big anyway.

I'm just waiting to see if they sue him personally.

let alone qualify for a gun, a taser or a badge? He might be an old fool trying the relive his youth, but who ever signed off on letting him play a cop, is the bigger fool for putting the public, and the city, at risk.

Except money to the department.
This is a travesty.

I hope they also charge whoever that pos mother fucking bastard is that said, "Fuck your breath" I am pretty sure that was a different cop.

Fuck your breath guy needs jail. Fuck his freedom.

Fuck your freedom

I hate that guy, whoever he is

2nd degree manslaughter carries the possibility of no jail time at all. Probation and community service would be my bet. I hope at least his pretend cop days are over.

or perhaps they just don't care either way.

..the Taser on the opposite side. Always.

I think he already had it out, prepared to use it. He jumped the gun and fired without cause. Terrible. I blame Officer "Fuck your breath!" for the death too.

this was not a cop, but a deputized 'cop', whatever that means. Since when did wealthy people get to be deputized to act as cops?

Also, wasn't he 73 years old? Normally a cop would be retired by then.

He's been charged, that is good.

I had no idea you could pay money to play cops and robbers with real badges and guns. If you hav enough money, of course. He should have never been there playing cop.

be honest. I guess that's how seriously they view what they do, as far as 'protecting and serving'. Seems everything is about money.

Maybe we have been doing it all wrong.

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

All we need is money and we can BUY 'justice'.

Problem is you kind of have to sell your soul to get that kind of money I suppose.

They made a point to play the audio of him say "I'm sorry" but not the audio of the other cop saying "fuck your breath". Now I guess you could say it was national news and they didn't want to play the curse word. But I'll bet they coulda bleeped it out like they do for other audio recordings.

Just something I found interesting.

I want that guy fired.