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Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:42 PM Apr 2015

Please, Please someone run against Hillary & Here is another little known reason

I have voted Democratic in every single election from Hubert Humphrey to the present including all partisan elections including state and Local elections. I say this because I do not want to be blamed for possibly being a right winger, I am not.

Some old news came back to mind of one of the many Clinton """Scandals"'' a few minutes ago as I was simply reading new article and searching the names in the news that were familiar but I couldn't recall the news worthyness of that person.

The name is MARC RICH......A rich man that was given a Presidential Pardon for tax evasion in the last days of the Clinton administration.

It was requested by a wealthy donor, Deneise Rich and at the time was mostly being hyped a a successful songwriter and being described as a very nice woman. pooey!


He was best known for founding the commodities company Glencore and for being indicted in the United States on federal charges of tax evasion and illegally making oil deals with Iran during the Iran hostage crisis. He was in Switzerland at the time of the indictment and never returned to the United States.[4] He received a controversial presidential pardon from U.S. President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001, Clinton's last day in office.[5]


[link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich|]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

Now that very nice woman named Denise Rich, as it has been learned made money writing songs but was also from a wealthy family whose father was Austrian and owned a shoe factory.


Denise Rich, the wealthy socialite and former wife of pardoned billionaire trader Marc Rich, has given up her U.S. citizenship - and, with it, much of her U.S. tax bill.

Rich, 68, a Grammy-nominated songwriter and glossy figure in Democratic and European royalty circles, renounced her American passport in November, according to her lawyer........................................By dumping her U.S. passport, Rich likely will save tens of millions of dollars or more in U.S. taxes over the long haul, tax lawyers say....................................Rich, who was born in Worcester, Massachusetts, has Austrian citizenship through her deceased father, said Michael Heidt, a lawyer in Hollywood, Florida, who represented her in a recent lawsuit.


[link:http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/09/entertainment-us-usa-immigration-deniser-idUSBRE8680MN20120709|]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/09/entertainment-us-usa-immigration-deniser-idUSBRE8680MN20120709

Real All the last article.

Please Elizabeth, please
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Please, Please someone run against Hillary & Here is another little known reason (Original Post) Jim Beard Apr 2015 OP
what has it to do with Hillary ? drray23 Apr 2015 #1
Absolutely spot on. She cannot be blamed for whatever bad things happened during his administration. razorman Apr 2015 #29
Oh for fuck's sake! leftofcool Apr 2015 #2
Oh excuse me Jim Beard Apr 2015 #3
Has nothing to do with Hillary and is straight from Freeperville! leftofcool Apr 2015 #7
This horse shit has been happening in other administrations also, should we discontinue to Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #13
Elizabeth is not running. SalviaBlue Apr 2015 #16
Excuse me, but Hillary is a married woman. zappaman Apr 2015 #17
Apparently you didn't pay attention to the 1992 elections Jim Beard Apr 2015 #19
Yeah, Warren will run since she has firmly said she won't. zappaman Apr 2015 #21
What does that have to do with HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #4
Apparently you didn't keep up with what was going on during the Jim Beard Apr 2015 #20
Hillary had sex with Bill Clinton Politicalboi Apr 2015 #5
Not only that, she had an in-wedlock child with him Yavin4 Apr 2015 #11
She's also truly family values too justiceischeap Apr 2015 #15
LMFAO "stood by her man when he had many, many affairs" Family values??? L0oniX Apr 2015 #33
You'd think the family values voters would like that justiceischeap Apr 2015 #35
Single people don't have values I guess. L0oniX Apr 2015 #36
Lost dress found! L0oniX Apr 2015 #34
It was Bill who pardoned Marc Rich, not Hillary. Terra Alta Apr 2015 #6
I don't agree with holding someone accountable JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #8
Transparent. JoePhilly Apr 2015 #9
What about Vince Foster? onehandle Apr 2015 #10
What about Vince Foster? My sister and step son committied suicide, why would ANYONE hold Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #14
So you would support John Edwards. I did but when he did wrong I dropped him. Jim Beard Apr 2015 #26
...and Hillary pardoned him? Really? ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #31
I was responding to the Vince Foster post. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #32
Nobody cares upaloopa Apr 2015 #12
Thought I would come in and try to help this thread out. William769 Apr 2015 #18
Perfect! zappaman Apr 2015 #22
Thank you. William769 Apr 2015 #25
... justiceischeap Apr 2015 #23
2/10 DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #24
You're being generous. zappaman Apr 2015 #27
No! Win or lose, she is my candidate! mfcorey1 Apr 2015 #28
They have always said, tow for the price of one. PROOF Jim Beard Apr 2015 #30

drray23

(7,638 posts)
1. what has it to do with Hillary ?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:45 PM
Apr 2015

She was not president. Bill Clinton was. Blaming her on decisions her husband made is ridiculous.

razorman

(1,644 posts)
29. Absolutely spot on. She cannot be blamed for whatever bad things happened during his administration.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:48 PM
Apr 2015

By the same token, however, she cannot claim any credit for the good that was accomplished, either. The first Clinton administration should have no bearing on the upcoming campaign. Getting a little off-topic, I believe that we need a good debate in the Democratic primaries. Hopefully, Elizabeth Warren and perhaps one or two other worthy candidates will step forward, to keep it from being a coronation.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
3. Oh excuse me
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:48 PM
Apr 2015

I am for Elizabeth who is against this kind of horse shit.

Did you fail to read that. Do you remember the Clintons favorite campaign that you get two for the price of one.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
13. This horse shit has been happening in other administrations also, should we discontinue to
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:56 PM
Apr 2015

elect any president? Hillary is her own person, she should not be held accountable for others. Would you want to be in a position things your family members may have done in the past or future? It is not a child's fault what their parents may have done.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
17. Excuse me, but Hillary is a married woman.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:07 PM
Apr 2015

So she obviously can not think for herself or have her own opinions.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
19. Apparently you didn't pay attention to the 1992 elections
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:30 PM
Apr 2015

when the slogan was 2 for the price of one....

Elizabeth will run.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. What does that have to do with HRC ...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:48 PM
Apr 2015

unless you would be comfortable being held to account for something your wife (husband) did, 20 years ago, that you had no say in.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
20. Apparently you didn't keep up with what was going on during the
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:32 PM
Apr 2015

Bill Clinton administration. Remember Hillary being COMPLETELY in charge of health care reform. Try again.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
5. Hillary had sex with Bill Clinton
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:48 PM
Apr 2015

How is she going to get around that one.

They'll find her own baggage, no need to bring Bill into this.

Yavin4

(35,450 posts)
11. Not only that, she had an in-wedlock child with him
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:53 PM
Apr 2015

The American people have a right to know how this happened.

JustAnotherGen

(31,937 posts)
8. I don't agree with holding someone accountable
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:51 PM
Apr 2015

For their spouse's / partner's actions.

There are plenty of reasons to prefer another candidate - this is not one for me.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
14. What about Vince Foster? My sister and step son committied suicide, why would ANYONE hold
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:58 PM
Apr 2015

friends or family members accountable for the suicide of others.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
26. So you would support John Edwards. I did but when he did wrong I dropped him.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:37 PM
Apr 2015

Do you really support people who acted like reagan and busted sanctions and helped Iran when they were holding our hostages. Marc Rich got Israel oil from Iran while they were holding our hostages.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
30. They have always said, tow for the price of one. PROOF
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:53 PM
Apr 2015

CONCORD, N.H., Dec. 21 -- After months of discussion within her campaign over how heavily she should draw on her husband's legacy, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is closing out her Iowa and New Hampshire campaigns in a tight embrace of Bill Clinton's record, helping fuel a debate about the 1990s with Sen. Barack Obama that she thinks she can win.

As part of the Clinton strategy, the former president is playing an increasingly prominent public role as an advocate for his wife. He appears to have overcome concerns within the campaign over how closely she should associate her candidacy with his time in office and over whether his appearances could draw attention away from her.

Both Clintons are making the case that theirs was a co-presidency -- an echo of Bill Clinton's controversial statement during the 1992 campaign that voters would get "two for the price of one" if they elected him. At times, the former president has seemed to cast the current race as a referendum on his administration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122102588.html

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