is a troll. At this rate, anyone who thinks there even needs to be a general election is gonna get hit with the troll stick. The hubris is strong.

HRC, Obama, and Kerry are friends. Kerry gave Obama an important speech at the DNC convention which put him in the national spotlight. They both worked together in the Senate and Obama gave the SOS job to HRC and then Kerry. Your fantasies of some type of animosity between the 3 are ridiculous. They are 3 stars in our party and will work together to elect HRC if she gets the nomination. Your fantasies of HRC superpowers to "lock the party" are equally ridiculous.

Obama publicly endorsed her.... yet he nominated her for State more by pragmatic reasons. Lot of our political analysist said he wanted to " control her" for she not be attempted to run against him in 2012, no joke.
Kerry and Clinton had never been close. Have you seen how, despite being realy gracefull to Hillary and praising things she did that yes were great, he seemed also very glad to have that opportunity of being SoS to stay out of partisan politics? But you arz right. Kerry and Obama have always appreciated each others.

You whine that DU considers all "all French politics researchers and specialists also "Republican Trolls" yet you can't name a single pundit to bolster your claims made in your op. All of your comments are based on your imagination. The imagination of someone claiming to watch from 3800 miles away from DC. no joke.

Ulysse Gosset, US expert for BFM
Nicole Baccharan, authirs of numeros US politics books.
Christine Ockrent, journalist.
Newqpapers closes to the LEFT like.
Mediaprt. RUE 89 or Le Nouvel Observater. Center left weekly Marianne.

And... About Hillary and 2004... Radio Canada ( not from France but French Canada)

I know how it might be UPSETTING that WHOLE WORLD doesnt endorse the so perfect Mrs. Clinton.

I also know the difference between sincerity and total bollocks.
Also, the world doesn't have to endorse HRC, she only needs the endorsement of Democrats in the majority of the primaries.

BTW, I surprised you can listen to Radio Canada in France. You guys must have better antennas, no?

Your asking of evidence everytime an opinion doesnt match yours is ridicule.

Here's what I see: You claim your opinions are facts backed up by France's leading pundits, journalists, and political researchers but you offer zero facts to back it up. Not a single thing you have ever said is backed up by quote, an article, or a link. Nothing. Your opinions are not facts. They continue to not be facts whether they match my opinions or not.

Here's an example: This post by me includes my opinions and some facts to back it up:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026371057#post15
I think everyone should read it and agree, but I understand that serious people can disagree and that good Democrats can feel differently. I don't require everyone to join me in bashing a much-liked Democrat because I think my unsupported opinions are reality in part of some game.

When she endorsed candidates who distanced themselves with the Administration?



Btw.. strategically it makes sense.Although I disagree with that kind of , she might want to not be seen as Obama s third term, show that she has her own vision.

That's a sure sign that you are doing something wrong.

Its center left.

closely followed stories involving Kerry the past decade. That is where she developed the anger towards Clintons and their team, as some of their proBush stories emerged post election. In that sense she is not different than others of us who worked so hard and became aware of some of the deceits which drove us to support Obama in 2008 over HRC.


Of course she doesn't want a Republican to win in 2016 - she and her friends in France will support any Democratic nominee, mainly because of their long held admiration for Kerry and Obama.

She doesn't express herself as tactfully as many here would like, and her bluntness and language slips can irritate some, BUT, she is no Rand Paul supporter.

I would think that any of the longtime DUers would be more tolerant of the views she expresses….. awkwardly ….but…. earnestly. The combativeness has been going both ways.

Tamp it down - I have no doubt she will, too.

I will support and wish HRC to win , because she is still less bad than any RWer.... but I will support her IF she is the nominee. Now its Primary campaign beginnong.... so convention is still far from now. Anything might happen.

Hypothetically, if you were to look at what they post, it would be hard to argue that it isn't obvious ...., you know what. Combine that with the language which is nothing like ESL students typically use and even lacks the common mistakes of tense and adjectives in lieu of tea party misspellings and you would come to the conclusion that most of us have.

1) I Du on my smartphone , witch its keyboard is french and often types unaccurate . Plis I have a qonce-boke eye vision pmoblems wich make write bad when I type.

2) O first leanrned English at school, but most of my language improvements were made by myself therafter, mainly by hours of lurking Internet English sites on barious topics.

Many of us longtime Kerry supporters have known her via social media, and she has been sharing articles found in French publications with us for years.

I can only state what I know to be true.

If you don't want to trust that then there is nothing more I can say.

One point: When it comes to inter-party squabbles, we shouldn't spend out time tearing down other Democratic candidates. If someone doesn't like HRC, find a Democratic candidate you can support and push for them. Hopefully that candidate is actually running, or planning a run, but that's a different subject. Save the extreme vitriol for the f'ing repubs. Any Democrat will be better than whoever the asshat the GOP selects.

them "ObamaBots"...at least, here on DU as well as in the RW-Troll sphere.

I have NO problem with legitimate criticisms of SoS Hillary Clinton. She needs to know what she's not doing right in order to earn the vote of the majority of Americans and the White House. This is not New York, where they have Democrats like Chuck Schumer and Andrew Cuomo who are, imo, barely Democrats (even less of a Democrat than Dianne Feinstein, and I consider her borderline DINO). She can get away with being more conservative in New York, but that won't work in national elections.

I believe that the first reason under the Hillary Clinton rubric in your post is true. Americans - the vast majority - want a a strong Democrat with name recognition in order to beat the Republicans for the White House. HOWEVER, we need a real Democrat who is at least as progressive as President Obama, and SoS Clinton will need to move more to the left in order to convince us that she's the candidate for us. I hope to see her seek counsel frequently with President Obama and Senator Warren in the coming months.

Some days you just can't make this shit up.

Mocking foreign views like an high scholar as long as it doesnt align within your agenda.

Its said that supporters refkect their politicians and vice versa.

Yet some of you are exactly reflecting the worst in Hillary. You act within others out from your circle with arrogance, as if like you feel somewhat superior , and deserving free passes.

It's really all I can muster for an op like this. You are on a roll. ]

The flaw in your argument is so obvious there really isn't need for further elaboration. I cleared it up in very few words.

Why do you bother to respond it..... if not in purpose of polluting?

Do you only answer ops you agree with. That sounds pretty foolish and I don't believe it for a second.

Read my response. It directly answers the question you are now asking.

Some things are becoming clear.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026451496

Either I dont go HIJACK any thread of Hillary Clinton full support.

Hijack? What are you going on about? If an op has a blatant error and I point that error out, that is not what you are referring to as "hijacking."

Brings new meaning to the term "freedom fries."

I'm not choosing who to support in the primary based of anecdotal "evidence" of French analysis.

The most consulted newspapers by French lefty political junkies online.

Regardless, that doesn't change my statement.

Just curious.

(Howewer I found common ground with liberal US press when they wrote article regarding French society crisis.)

I voted for Hollande cause I didnt wanted Sarkozy the Corrupt Neofascist get a second term.

But Hollande is now unpopumar because now our govt politics is RW leaning. And unemployement is increasing.

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Counted for you if I were an Hillary backer.

that at this point I don't have good feelings for you.

I get along with plenty of people who disagree with me here.

But your posts have made it difficult for me to be polite to you.

If you want my respect than treat me and other Hillary supporters with respect.

There is a huge different.

When on this boards people dissent with Obama, ir Kerry, or Warren ... I dont take it personnaly.

Know thqt in no way I intend to hurt.

You way beyond that.

You are downright insulting to us!

I found them all rather insulting.

You know I lurked into HRC room.

what about the OPs one member opened threads mocking mines in GD?

I don't understand your question.


And no we are not equal on this. I don't start threads to insult Warren, Sanders, or O'Malley supporters.

I don't get my threads locked.

All she does is bash Hillary as is her right but maybe some sober self reflection is in order and she should ask herself what she is accomplishing...Her and her kind are changing no minds but are only creating more divisiveness and sowing seeds of hate.

I dont go to attack any OP that doesnt match my opinion. I dont go to insinuate tve postee is a troll/hater etc.
Yet it doesnt happen to me only .

Anytime someone post questions about Hillary's shadowing aspects he gets attacked.

A true "rw trolk" would have spreading crap like "Benghazi, Foster etc" witch both critics and supporters know its bullshit. Do we do that? No.

Those are some of the threads you have had locked.

aware of how combative it sounds when she mixes it in with her views.

FWIW, the 'paid operatives' charge has been tossed around since the first primary race here in 2003. Unfair then, but, sometimes true, now.


I am surprised that DUers are so harsh towards someone they know is struggling to discuss American politics when English is obviously a second language, and when that person is tossing in American phrases popularized on American political forums like DU.

The combativeness being directed at her seems overthetop to me.

I am well aware of her use of the lingo. It may make me cringe at times, but, I still UNDERSTAND where she learned it.

I understand how she easily became a reflection of some of the DU sentiment and when you add the language hurdle, it can sound downright insulting, can't it?

See what happens when a dang foreigner tries to fit in by sounding like American lefties on DU?

Sorry - but, I think the outrage over her posts are more overthetop than her posts, which I see as awkward, but, earnest.

Second her English is fine and her comand of the language is fine imho.

Third we need to take responsibility for our posts.

sound like to me.

You can either understand why she feels the way she does or move on and ignore her posts if they rub you the wrong way.

I understand why people can be put off by the way they sound at first, but, I don't understand why some have no tolerance for what she posts after they are made aware that she is actually just posting her left-French politics views of our political discussions and using terms she picked up here at DU.

It's like me trying to work malaka into a sentence, because it's one of the few words I can remember in Greek.

; )

Her insults do.

It seems like you are trying to explain it away. Perhaps you should put more effort in explaining to her to not directly insult members of this board.

that her worst habits and phrases were picked up here over the last 5 years. Combine that with the language hurdles and ……….

; )

with HRC in general, IMO....

You have experienced it as well.

and it had its beginnings in TeamClinton undermining of Kerry campaign.

She is expressing awkwardly now what many of us said openly here in the past.

If you felt insilted please do accept my sincere apology. It was never intended too.

what justs pisses me of if the way this camping goes, like a plain plebicit and almost "primary set up as if to say "yes we have primarys" , with no risks to the main ( at least now) candidate.

plus what angries me is that HRC, who was in 2004 far to support the then no minee and acted by self onterests, now gives a free pass without any question, not only on this, but also on things like Clinton fundation fundings while at States, wich sounds a lot like a conflict of interest.

Peace.

I dont realize sometimes O can ve hard... Explaining in a second language can be hard.

Btw the brusk exchanges on DU are noting compared what I got on French politics FB pages. IIt is full of far right sympatizers. I was said I was so ugly I should better koll myself. According to them I am also an Islamist. They even say Obama Administration is islamized. LOL!

Again the right in France is rather bigoted.

I imagine it is hard to post in English with a French Keyboard.

The problem is that tgose nuts comes on ALl news pages.

barrier was an issue.

to know what French Montana thinks of HRC . Any idea ?

nom, nom, nom....

NT

goes from 1 to 20.

And, anything under 10 is considered as "en dessous du moyen" (below average) and therefore 'failing'.

How much have you learned?

ex-pat living in France. Bilingual, English mother-tongue.

plus de 30 ans ; j'y ai travaillé. Et, si je ne m'abuse, tu n'as jamais habité dans un pays anglo-phone.

Ce n'est pas comparable !

Lorsque j'étais étudiante.
Néanmoins beaucoup de gens de mon cercle amical et famillial me disent que j'ai un bien meilleur anglaus que la plupart des Français. Et je l'ai surtou amélioré en autodidacte avec Internet principalement.

Juror #7 this post is for you!!! See, I do am a French speaking native!!!!

la bonne moitié de mes élèves !

Is John Kerry a big hero or should I say, a well respected leader in France? I know you like him, but is that a widely held feeling and also about 2004?

his speech at the Paris Hôtel de Ville ( city hall) was highly appreciated. There were praising article and internets political blogguers appreciated a lot.

"America," meaning me.



France has got it's own issues to deal with, some far more concerning than Hillary Clinton.

She threw France into almost bankrupcy while serving as Finance Minister.

The foreign ministers of Germany and France appear to have come close to breaking with diplomatic convention by publicly backing Hillary Clinton’s bid for the US presidency.

Laurent Fabius of France and Frank-Walter Steinmeier of Germany offered unusual praise for Clinton, who on Sunday revealed she was joining the race to replace Barack Obama at the helm of US government.

They were joined by Nicolas Sarkozy, the former French president, who tweeted:

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/13/european-foreign-ministers-back-hillary-clinton-presidential-bid

NT

You are here to counter and SABOTAGE any thread dissing the leading candidate?

that refutes your point? I don't think you understand the point of a discussion board.

Match nul.

I accept that people disagree with me and I try to be polite. But when someone makes a habbit of being insulting I make a stand.

And I certainly don't post stuff like this;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026468809

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026485265

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026485691

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026480369

In places it is sorely lacking.

BTW, I rarely, rarely, rarely...alert on threads.

Don't take it too personal. People like to make comments when they don't have to have their name shown.

But when she insults me she will hear from me.

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LOL!!!!!

I liked #7!

Maintenant que je réponds en Français?
Cela dit j'ai bien rigolé! Merci a ce membre du jury!


Now that I answered in French.
Anywau I had a good laugh! Thanks to this Juror!

And yes I still loves #7

ya know - it's long past time DU get over the tone of her posts - yes, they're awkward and sound combative, especially when she uses American style campaign phrases she learned here at DU, but, they are not troll posts.

Well done!