please...

NT

Valerie worked for the CIA and while I am no fan of the CIA, she was the victim of treason on the part of the W administration.

I was horrified. Their lives were hell. They were subjected to death threats.

I'm glad they are OK now and living in the Southwest. I don't blame them for wanting to get as far from Washington, D.C. as they possibly can.

I wish them well.

Did then Senator Clinton know what Joe Wilson didn't find in Niger before trusting junior's decider approach to occupy Iraq?

Thanks for the kick though...I need one more rec to make the Greatest page.

I was asking a legitimate question. I guess your priority is the Greatest page, then?

Infallibility is a value we all aspire to but not all of us achieve.

Somebody who might want to be motivated to the answer.

I subscribe to these admonitions:

… is because I'm not running for POTUS… She is.

Thanks for answering the question (sort of)

You do know Biden and Kerry voted for the IWR and President Obama has made them one and three heartbeats away from the presidency as well as making John Kerry the face of his foreign policy.

So, please know that I'm not ANY less disappointed with them!

Because there are other members who found a way to excuse their votes while pillorying Hillary for hers...

I agree with Wes Clark "that it was the greatest strategic blunder in the history of the republic."

Bur I am willing to look past it... I already voted for Obama/Biden twice.

How passive vessels are we not to bother engage our brains at this point to finally learn that our planet cannot sustain extracting every reusable resource? We should have been actively developing and revolutionizing sustainable industrial economies, starting with the advances made in other countries of wind, solar, geothermal. We should be reducing the existing large city infrastructure by retro-fitting aging buildings. We should be focused on re-building public works infrastructures with proven science. It's right at our hands, if only we had real leadership to open this new economy to a growing preponderance of financially bankrupt skilled human beings. Look who's become stronger on Wall Street and look who is bending to their knees to support that inhuman industry based on nothing.

You and I already voted for Obama/Biden twice, and we don't have a tinker's chance in hell to push forward the above agenda without a sustainable economic timetable unless that leadership emerges in this race. THIS race.

Just when is this leadership supposed to "arrive"? And, when will people understand the difference between compromising ad nauseam just so that some legislation can occasionally get eked through the Republican ruled congress, which used to be Democratically controlled at the beginning of the Obama/Biden administration? Guess who's playing it safe by staying on the side of these disgusting fascists, until they run the entire show?

In fact, I know a few things more than that, but what is your big conclusion, set aside from original comment. I can't wait to hear it…

My votes


2004

Kerry/Edwards
Two votes for IWR supporters

2008

Obama/Biden


One vote for IWR supporter

2012

Obama/Biden
One vote for an IWR supporter


Two + one + one = four


Since I voted for IWR supporters four times because I agreed with them on other issues I can vote for an IWR supporter a fifth time because I agree with her on other issues.

I think we need to get serious, but I'm going to make dinner now. If you're interested, read my other posts today. That's where I'm at, and that is where the attention will focus when someone steps forward.

I lost everything in the Great Recession; my home, my business, and my car...I am at the tender mercies of the government. A Republican controlled government threatens that. Whatever compromises I have to make I am comfortable making them. Actually my comfort is of no moment, I have no choice.

And there are millions like me.

I understand, too.

I did, very actively, and I also did not like his vote on the IWR.

you should forward these platitudes to someone that lost a loved one fighting for that mistake.

John Kerry and Joe Biden voted for the IWR and Barack Obama made them one and three heartbeats away from the presidency...


I already voted for a IWR supporter four times times:Obama/Biden and Kerry/Edwards...I guess I will just have to do it again.

frylock, I'm glad you are perfect.


Enjoy Hilary as 45.


P.S. Thanx for kicking my thread.

KISSES
DemocratSinceBirth

thanks for the compliment!

How surprising.

I am a huge admirer of Cesar Chavez.

I was lucky enough to meet him back in the late '60's

I have nothing but respect for the OP, but Joe Wilson is someone I can do without. Reminds me of Lanny Davis.

Some sampling of his past gutterballs:

There's the Good Guy who stood up to Saddam Hussein and Karl Rove.

Then there's the shitheel cur who works as Satan's bedfellow in Congress.

There are more, perhaps.

"You LIe' Joe Wilson is a REpublican congressman from South Carolina.

Former ambassador Joe WIlson is the one who smeared Obama during the 2008 primaries. He lost the respect of a lot of us when he became an unprincipled attack dog for Clinton then.

The fellow in Congress is not worth discussing.

The Joseph Wilson who is known for his "yellow cake" trip -- the husband of Valerie Plame -- is a curious individual. For most of his adult life, Wilson has been a conservative republican, employed by the Agency, though he worked under the official cover of the State Department. In those years, he definitely did some outstanding work -- highlighted by his confrontational approach to Saddam in the Bush the Elder era.

As in intelligence officer, he was the correct choice to visit Africa, to investigate if there was any possibility that the already discredited documents per yellow cake had any truth to them. They did not, of course, and Wilson would eventually be as confrontational with Cheney as with Saddam.

Wilson was very surprised when liberal democrats embraced him, after his conflict with Cheney and Libby became public. To his credit, he would not pretend he was a liberal. Rather, he demonstrated that conservatives could -- and should -- be as opposed to Cheney as anyone in America.

During the investigation into the Plame scandal, then Senator Clinton became associated with Wilson. During her 2008 campaign, Wilson would offend many with his attacks on Obama. These surprised those who had mistaken him for being liberal.

I wasn't surprised, nor offended. Mr. Wilson is who he is. I believe that his endorsement of Ms. Clinton now shows that she will appeal to quite a few republicans.

But I missed or forgot the race-baiting started early on. Sidney Blumenthal and Bill Shaheen were particularly horrible, so were Lanny Davis and Mark Penn. Sorry to know Joe Wilson was a part of the wrecking crew. The Clintons attract some genuinely repugnant lowlifes.

Trust me.

a party largely dominated by Obama supporters.

The race-baiting started when they panicked about losing.

Really, the last thing Clinton needs to do is remind people of 2008.

And that includes Andrew "Shuck and Jive" Cuomo.

... at the first inkling of competition. The campaign will collapse of it's own weight if they continue down the path of 2008, and I don't think they've learned anything and just can't help themselves. The best thing we can do is just hold their coats while they do what they do. If/when she stumbles, we've got a real contender warming up in the wings.

jesus christ i had no idea.

And mocking him for being willing to engage in diplomacy with Iran.

He's very good buddies with Larry "Whitey tape" Johnson.

I was a big time Obama supporter in the 2008 primaries, but we need to get past that. Obama is past it IMO. He showed that when he selected her as SOS, a top admin job.

Hillary is going to have quite a few Obama folks helping to run her campaign. Hillary campaign officials knew they were fucked in March 2008 and they tried to take down Obama any way they could. It was hard-fought, nasty and even racist at times. But...

They failed.

But now, as an Obama supporter, I think we want to maintain the agenda. Hillary will support most of his policies....and I even think she would be willing to support diplomacy with Iran which is what most Americans want.

2008 was nasty and I haven't forgotten.

But this is about policy and getting someone in office who can carry on the Obama/Dem agenda from 2008/2012.

It looks like it will be Hillary, so she will have my support if she wins the nomination.

But the Sid Blumenthal crew . . .

lots of problems for himself. I read the article, can't remember if it was before or after the invasion of Iraq. Joe stood by his story, the Bush administration then decided to out Valerie. They finally laid the blame on Scooter Libby.

Joe Wilson did the right thing by writing the article.

decision to support her and understand why they would have so much in common. I just disagree with them on who America needs at this time.

After President Obama's election in 2008, there was a widespread hope that it would mark an end to unseemly partisan nastiness. Unfortunately, it soon became obvious that the wish for a post-partisan presidency will always be fanciful so long as the radical right-wing, backed with the immense financial resources of special interests, will target and demonize anyone who disagrees with it.

They tried to do it to President Clinton, and they have tried to do the same thing to President Obama in the most vulgar and bigoted ways. They will do it again to whoever is the Democratic candidate. Hillary knows that. But she also knows that if we are ever to make this a better nation and society, we must stand up for true American values for progress against these destructive forces. She is strong enough to do so.

other than personally assisting them uncovering the war (which she voted for!), the only other thing they praise her for her hawkishness on Iran, which they credit for Iran giving up nuclear research (though Israel's the one ready to use 'em): "But she did far more than help restore American prestige. Among her many achievements was forging the coalition, which included both Russia and China that imposed draconian economic sanctions on Iran. The results have now become clear."

visaholder.

I'm sure they are doing just fine financially.

NT