What would a corporation or individual have to do to get such a credit?

It could be designed as a dollar of dollar investment credit ... or more practicably, a $2 for $1 or $3 for $2.

We are rewarding them.

How about a combination of taxing Corps who use cheap overseas labor AND offering them a tax credit for keeping jobs here, such as your suggestion, rebuilding our infrastructure.

Moving further to the Left, and I think this has been put forward by some Dems in the past, IF Corporations receive tax breaks but want to use overseas cheap labor, they MUST abide by our Labor Laws AND pay equal salaries to their overseas workers, otherwise, they get taxed.

That should be a no-brainer.

Seriously, exactly how much does this country hate labor?

Well, at least police aren't shooting strikers. But perhaps I shouldn't count those chickens just yet.

We don't reward companies for moving jobs overseas. If you own a lumber mill, there's no tax reward for "moving jobs overseas". Let's think of this in term of GE. GE sells lots of stuff in Latin America. They earn lots of money doing this. The US government gives them a choice: move the profits on shore, and pay full corporate income tax on the money you earned selling microwaves in Brazil, or take the money you earned selling microwaves in Brazil and spend that money opening factories in Brazil, and on top of that, import those microwaves to the US. Their annual report, which you can read, explicitly states (paraphrasing): "We've got a bunch of money, but if we move it into the US, we'll pay big tax penalties, so we're investing overseas".

While I've seen many posts on DU about "penalize companies that move jobs overseas", I've seen almost no posts supporting the notion of "incentivize companies to create jobs in the US through tax policies".

Seriously. If there's some easy way to wave a magic wand that says "create jobs in America", I'm all ears. But when you make your proposal, please explain why "American" companies wouldn't flee the US, and how we'd distinguish "American" companies from European companies that want the same thing (but might escape US taxes by being based in Slovakia).

What's the specific proposal? How would you write the tax law that achieves what you want? Keep in mind that whatever proposal you come up with is going to be analyzed by an army of attorneys and accountants. What specific thing are you proposing that will keep labor inside the US?

create jobs here.

But we know how Bush's tax breaks for the wealthy worked out. It cost the tax payers over two trillion dollars, airc, but they still took their money and jobs overseas.

Which is why I suggested, since we can't obviously just TRUST them, that IF they go overseas, while taking advantage of the tax breaks they get here, then those tax breaks should not apply to them. Tax them like everyone else.

AND require that they abide by our labor laws no matter where they go. That is a separate thing. IF they want to go live in China or wherever, then they are free to do so.

But if they are based in this country then contribute to the country, unlike GE which pays no taxes, like everyone else.

Everything isn't about money, profits etc. If you live in a society you need to contribute in some way. Taxes are the way we all contribute, so I don't understand why anyone calling themselves an American and living here and profiting from this country would not want to contribute.

And as Democrats there is no way we should be supporting labor abuse here or anywhere in the world. We have labor laws that were hard fought for.


If a corporation is benefiting in any way from this country but moves its labor overseas, is there anything wrong with requiring the to treat their labor force at least the same way they would here?

What a bold idea!

I think some of this has been underestimated among progressives, but this will make a substantial difference, esp. for unionization in the South, which is key to moving the country left, imo. Higher union density is correlated with more progressive voting patterns.

Also, Robin Hood Tax: http://www.robinhoodtax.org "This small tax of %0.5 on Wall Street transactions would generate hundreds of billions of dollars each year in the US alone." They have a whole program, it includes jobs.

to fund infrastructure repair?

I'd like to see a New New Deal, or something like the CCC to work on repairing our roads and bridges. It would be economic stimulus, too. Seems like a no brainer.

Replying to myself to link to this piece by Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/opinion/a-new-civilian-conservation-corps.html

what do you think is likelihood of that even getting out of committee?

But you've heard the saying, "dreams only come to those who are asleep."

President Obama is their hate for FDR.

I would love to see programs like the CCC but one of the things most people do not understand about that era is that those unemployed men were not paid like we are today. Much of their pay was in kind - they lived at the work site. What cash they were paid was divided in half - for the worker personally and then the rest was sent home for their families.

If we did it today I suspect the workers would not accept the same working conditions.

by convincingly workable, I mean something that has a shot at being implemented in this two party system.

I what world will/would republicans (and conservative Democrats) support raising taxes on the wealthy to a degree that would fund infrastructure repair?

So, provide tax credits for companies that fund infrastructure repair? That could provide good PR for the companies, too, as additional incentive.

add to that a renewed vigor in pursuing (punishing) off-shored revenue, and that makes the PR incentive, all the more attractive.

We need to bring it home.

Our infrastructure is frighting right now.

The corporations and wealthy repatriate the money, so lono as they do .. and we get the repairs, the jobs and a revved up economy.

I work very close to home. Yet,,, when I was stopped in slow moving traffic, I would stay out from under the bridges until I could accelerate all the way through. As I said it scared me.

I agree, we are in desperate need of the repairs, yes they can pay for it and create jobs. That last explosion in NY? If I remember correctly they said those gas lines were a hundred plus years old. We are sitting on a ticking bomb here, 1SBM. It is only a matter of time.

With best perks going to those who focus on sustainable, energy efficient, and green solutions to our infrastructure problems.

The best part of infrastructure is it can be truly a 'protectionist' industry. If it's green - it makes zero sense to create some type of Visa to bring skilled workers to the US when we already have welders, master heating/cooling folks, master electricians, etc. etc.

But we're going to get past our seemingly reflexive aversion to seeing / hearing the words, "give" and "wealthy /corporations ", in the same sentence.

And, it would help if we moved off our "It doesn't matter if we get what we want, so long as they don't get what they want" mentality.

I feel stronger local politics will bring about moving American politics more to the left.

I also feel the current Administration is supported & emboldened by supported by that encouragement.

That's why I'm a 'straddler' between leftist policies and community activists that I strongly feel is the direction we should be heading, and supporting democrats already in office, to move further in that direction.

We can accomplish a great deal if the voters are allowed to vote and select the appropriate leaders

by "convincingly workable" I mean something that CAN succeed under our system of government, i.e., a two party state.

While there are a bunch of progressive ideas that would move American politics further to the left, if they were every enacted ... But let's face it, the likelihood of garnering republican (and conservative Democratic) support ... something that is absolutely necessary to pass any legislation.

At the moment the right is overloaded.

from your group on DEMOCRATIC Underground??!!

Out of eeeeeeverybody on DU....

And considering the Dem party wouldn't be much of anything without black people, I would think long and hard before blocking any of the handful of minority posters that still bother to post here.

is my question interesting? Look I don't know what happened, and whether or not 1StrongBlackMan did anything to deserve it, but if he did, should there be different or special consideration?

Only that you chose to respond.

Looking at a few of the participants/hosts of that group, I'm not the slightest bit surprised that he was banned. He should wear it proudly.

Responding to your post is somehow inappropriate?

I do not see you blocked in the few that I subscribe to. Must be hidden away somewhere.

SAVOR IT.

but that you feel that you or your group is coming out of this discussion looking good or in any way representative of liberals, Democrats or tolerant human beings.

and I couldn't be less concerned by what you think or say.

What else ya got?

But have responded to me at least FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES in this one thread alone.

That's a whoooole lot of "not caring", honey.

Did not know your group existed.

But, the people I see talking poorly about it are all on my right wing nutjob list, most of whom I had on ignore until a week or so ago when I scrubbed it to see all the forum posts again. Not worth your time trying to hold a conversation with them.

This is my take on it anyway. Sorry for the intrusion into your chat.

I implore you to PLEASE put me back on your ignore list, if I was ever on it. Any "Democrat" that considers Negroes and wimmens to be right wingers is not anyone I would ever wish to converse with, even by mistake.

Rwnj's are on my rwnj list. I can not discern ethnicity, sex, or other physical attributes through reading message board postings.

That should be obvious imho.

that does nothing but carp on Democrats have identified themselves NUMEROUS times as posters of color or women.

But it's so shocking that you haven't seen any of that. Ever.

We have so few people on our blocked list - like what? We are up to one again? It might be a group of people that haven't experienced a great deal of continuous real world adversity based on what they are? So when first confronted with it - they are going to have a shocked emotional reaction. If they are smart - they will take some cues FROM the HRC Group and HOF Groups and well - ours. Clarity, tolerance, transparency and not acting out of spite.

However, this thread will give me some folks to watch for who might just be there to disrupt - what say you?

already PAINFULLY aware was a problem on this board.

and we know how right wing that is!

Let me see....

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/presidential-approval-center.aspx

Among Democrats - 85% approval
Among black folks - 91% approval
Among women - 51% (I wish that was broken down into female Democrats, indies and Repubs)

Among liberals - 76% and among liberal Democrats -- the actual progressives that a certain group of "progressives" act as though they represent -- 88%

So I can totally, 100% understand why this group feels so besieged by all of this Negro and female support here. It is entirely uncharacteristic with how the true base of the Democratic Party in the United States of America feels about the man.

We were scrubbed! 'Cause we are right wing nut jobs????

It is so late, did I just read that right?

Thanks

You were banned because you were a disruption, had been warned in the past, and decided to ignore those warnings.

What did the post say?

but his response was not an isolated issue.

how (since when) is RESPONDING to someone, asking that they support an assertion that I said/did something I didn't do, disruptive? Especially, when the response to the request for support for the bogus assertion is an attempt to tell me where I can, and cannot, post?

Though I'll admit, I probably could have left the "Still laughing at you!" part.

you would net have been blocked.

Instead, you wrote:

I put it in the trash bin because I thought it was just for Warren and Sanders supporters - and income inequality. IE not the place for affluent black women who make their living in Corporate America.

I had no idea we had a corner of DU reserved for the perpetually perturbed.

What a hot mess.

The whole "meet around the back side of a sphere" thing was made up by a centrist. It has no merit, and it's the only theory that can account for your post, outside of garden variety incoherence.

You're in "the group."

Does the membership come with a shiny new chip for the shoulder, or is it a prerequisite for admission? I've noticed the commonality among the membership.

I've got your "incoherence" right here, partner.

And finally, yes, you do appear to have the incoherence right over there. Partner.

Dial back on the arrogance a notch or two, and you might be interesting.

I'll leave the last insult to you.

Not with words, but images. That is flat out ugly. Trash her issues, if you must. Back them with facts! Yet posting ugly images and and high fiving each other and hell the chest bumps as well. If that is a Progressive, then we have lost our ever living souls.

Learn to argue with more honesty and less dark and inaccurate insinuation. You don't want to be that low of a person.

a little more honest for what they stand for.

I'm not a part of the Progressive Group, but I'm a progressive, and I make no secret about what I stand for.

yet call yourself one, me I am a liberal that wants progress. I suggest you go read what they are saying. It has become a hate Hillary Group. One member here, tonight said they are leaving for the reason I stated.

It is an ugly Hillary hating group.

Start here, William769 p0st and hide then follow the link.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/11073768

It is ugly what progressives of DU find amusing. JAG.

Its a Hillary Hating group. Let's put ourselves in their shoes.

You've held onto the idea of Warren or Sanders running for several years. You really believe they are the best choice for America.

Warren asks if folks wan an exclamation point after, "I'm not running".

Clinton announces her candidacy.

Sanders is waiting.

More frustration at who is not being their champion that they are champions for - than anything else.

In my ideal world - Biden would run. He's not going to. Sherrod Brown is my Warren. He's not going to run.

Martin O'Malley is - waiting?

The difference is - I don't need to put up a conspiracy theory "shape shifter picture" (look up David Icke who is Icky and will make your eyes bleed ) to make my point. And a lot of us remember how First Lady Clinton was treated - were absolutely respectful and deferential to Laura Bush - and now have seven years of seeing First Lady Obama getting torn down over the same kind of stupid shit HRC was torn down over.

She may not be my first choice - but nasty memes? Enough. She's tough and can take it - but from people on our side of the aisle . . . If she wins - don't be surprised when that pic shows up at Free Republic.

Same way I told my mom - keep calling Senator Warren the Cheerleader and see how that bites you in the ass. HRC and Warren and my mom are contemporaries - so maybe my mom has earned that right - but I'd rather she call her Lizzie Come Lately than the Cheerleader. My mom should be better than that - I'm better than that . . .

I thought all folks on the left should be better than that.

until they become disruptive.

if you don't like our hosts, or the content, don't post there.

How easy is that?

Disruptive like that?

No one earns their way in - only their way out

but you didn't answer my question.

the OP you're defending may be a real nice guy, but he was a real bad guess. He's been warned twice before, and ran out of chances.

The only people to get banned are the people who fall into that category,

your interpretation. i get that too, most DU groups operate that way and have been vilified because of it.

Bottom line, you can behave like an ass, attack other members, and go on to get your posts hidden, but as long as you're not a "bad guest" it's all good.

Thanks for clarifying.

You're only hearing what you want to hear... Have fun with that