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ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 09:06 PM Apr 2015

You want to talk President Lincoln, Teabagger? Here's some Lincoln for you!

I never post anything political on my Facebook page, simply because I prefer to use Facebook for other reasons. Today, however, that changed. After reading a particularly obnoxious post by a Teabagger acquaintance, said post 'laying claim to' President Lincoln, reminding everyone that Lincoln was a Republican and implying that Lincoln would be a staunch GOP supporter today, I lost my cool and posted the following:

Today is the 150th anniversary of the death of our martyred 16th President, Abraham Lincoln. Speaking as someone who has spent the last 40 years studying both at length and in depth the life of this savior of our republic, I've considered what he might have said and done about the current state of affairs in the USA. Based on his actions and both his written and spoken words in a wide variety of situations, but most particularly based on those he took, wrote and spoke during the worst crisis our republic has ever faced, the Civil War, it is not at all far-fetched or unreasonable to arrive at certain conclusions...

President Lincoln would have been outraged at the multiple legislative assaults on both human and civil rights. He would have supported the Equal Rights Amendment and legislation requiring equal pay for equal work, and would have vigorously opposed legislative efforts to subjugate women and minorities, because both subjugation and the idea that there could be more than one 'class' of citizen were anathema to him. US Senate candidate Lincoln warned Southern Democrats about their attitude toward not only maintaining, but promoting the spread of slavery, &quot You) deny his manhood; deny, or dwarf to insignificance, the wrong of his bondage; so far as possible, you crush all sympathy for him, and cultivate and execute hatred and disgust against him and call the indefinite outspreading of his bondage ‘a sacred right of self-government', the most inhumane and outrageous belief ever entertained and uttered by allegedly civilized men.... ". He also said, "It is her (a woman's) natural right to eat the bread she earns with her own hands without asking leave of any one else; she is my equal, and the equal of all others".

Even more clear would be President Lincoln's attitude toward those 'sovereign' or 'constitutional' state and local officials who boldly state that they will arrest and jail Federal officials in the exercise of their duties-- he would crush those officials mercilessly, using whatever law-enforcement or military resources he deemed necessary. Those who yet today believe in the legitimacy of the doctrine of nullification would encounter no more vicious enemy than Abraham Lincoln!

Finally, to those who would revisit issues that gave rise to the Civil War, and the judgments rendered upon them, judgments written in the blood of 600,000 soldiers and sailors and the blood of at least as many civilians, President Lincoln would deal with you as one deals with a child who does not like the answer a parent has given him: "What part of the word 'no' do you not understand?" would be his mildest response.

In closing, I leave you with President Lincoln's words to those who advocated either a radical or a reactionary political course: “I will not do anything contrary to my convictions to please these men, earnest and powerful as they may be. It is my duty to hear all the people, and to then act as I believe may do the most good for the greatest number of our people". -- 'Inside Lincoln’s White House: The Complete Civil War Diary of John Hay'

Good night.


I'm pleased to report that a.) the replies to my post are, without exception, positive, and b.) a couple of my Teabagger acquaintances have unfriended me already.

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You want to talk President Lincoln, Teabagger? Here's some Lincoln for you! (Original Post) ColesCountyDem Apr 2015 OP
Great, grounded response! Kudos to you, CCD! Hope all is well with you. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #1
Thank you, freshwest-- it was my 'Popeye moment'! ColesCountyDem Apr 2015 #2
Excellent post malaise Apr 2015 #3
Lincoln Was Not Exactly a Champion of Civil Rights Sparhawk60 Apr 2015 #4
Very much true, although he always made it clear that they were war time measures only. ColesCountyDem Apr 2015 #6
The characterization of Lincoln and the 1860 Republicans... JHB Apr 2015 #5

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
2. Thank you, freshwest-- it was my 'Popeye moment'!
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:18 AM
Apr 2015

After years of silence, ignoring the Reich wing political filth spewing from my news feed, I'd just 'had all I can stand, and I can't stands no more', as Popeye would say.

Thank you for the good wishes, but things here aren't all that great, unfortunately.

Take care.

 

Sparhawk60

(359 posts)
4. Lincoln Was Not Exactly a Champion of Civil Rights
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:32 AM
Apr 2015

Lincoln was not exactly a champion of human rights. He felt free to suspend parts of the constitution that he felt was inconvenient to winning the war. Not saying if it was a good or bad thing, just a fact.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
6. Very much true, although he always made it clear that they were war time measures only.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 10:38 AM
Apr 2015

Whenever Lincoln took liberties with the Constitution, he always noted that his actions were in his role as either Commander-in-Chief or as Chief Magistrate in charge of executing federal laws. Suspension of heabeus corpus is a perfect example of this: as the brilliant lawyer Lincoln noted, the Constitution was vague about precisely who was to exercise that power, while the pragmatic Chief Magistrate noted rhetorically asked whether or not he was to scrupulously adhere to this one provision of the Constitution, while ignoring the violation of all the other provisions by the rebels and their supporters. In general, Lincoln scrupulously observed both the letter and intent of the law.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
5. The characterization of Lincoln and the 1860 Republicans...
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 07:39 AM
Apr 2015

...is breathtakingly familiar.

Below is a conservative political cartoon from 1860, engraved by Currier and Ives and published in Harper's Magazine.

In 1860, when “The Party of Lincoln” was actually running Lincoln for president, it was considered the liberal-to-left party.

See if you recognize the playbook:


http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2003674590/

"The Republican Party Going to the Right House"

Lincoln rides in on a (fence) rail, carried by Horace Greely (anti-slavery editor of the New York Tribune), leading his followers into a lunatic asylum.
GREELY: "Hold on to me Abe, and we'll go in here by the unanimous consent of the people."
LINCOLN: "Now my friends I'm almost in, and the millennium is going to begin, so ask what you will and it shall be granted."

Younger Woman: "Oh! what a beautiful man he is, I feel a passionate attraction' every time I see his lovely face."
Bearded Man: "I represent the free love element, and expect to have free license to carry out its principles."
Man with trim beard and hat: "I want religion abolished and the book of Mormon made the standard of morality."
Caricatured black man: "De white man hab no rights dat cullud pussons am bound to spect' I want dat understood."
Older woman: "I want womans rights enforced, and man reduced in subjection to her authority."
Scruffy man with bottle: "I want everybody to have a share of everybody elses property."
Barefoot man: "I want a hotel established by government, where people that aint inclined to work, can board free of expense, and be found in rum and tobacco."
Seedy top-hat man: " I want guaranteed to every Citizen the right to examine every other citizen's pockets without interruption by Policemen."
Man at the end: "I want all the stations houses burned up, and the M.P.s killed, so that the bohoys can run with the machine and have a muss when they please."

Let’s go down the list, shall we?:
Supported by "liberal media": Check
Liberals will embark on profligate giveaways to THOSE PEOPLE? Check.
Flighty, emotional, entranced by charisma/celebrity? Check.
People conservatives consider sexual deviants? Check.
People conservatives consider religious deviants? Check (and how ironic, this particular turn).
Grasping minorities after special rights? Check.
"Feminazis"? Check.
There's a vast army of layabouts, terrorists, and outright thieves who want to take your hard-earned stuff? Check, check, check, and check.

Those same complaints are the Teabgger's anthem.


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