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cali

(114,904 posts) Sat Apr 18, 2015, 01:42 PM Apr 2015

HRC is, quite simply, one of the more risk averse politicians

I've ever observed. I think much of this stems from her experience as First Lady when she was attacked so viciously for being bold. She learned that there can be a painful cost to it.

In her career as a politician she has been anything but bold. It's hard to be a champion of anything or anyone when you're that risk averse.

She's going to continue shying away from anything that she can be pinned down on, and she'll shy away from controversial issues like abortion which we know she supports. To my recollection there was nothing in her inclusive announcement video that could be seen as support for reproductive health (like a woman wearing a a pro-choice tee shirt). I get it. We already know she's pro-choice, but we already know she's pro-LGBT issues too. And we desperately need a champion on choice right now. She has the megaphone.

It takes boldness to be a champion and a leader.

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HRC is, quite simply, one of the more risk averse politicians (Original Post) cali Apr 2015 OP

Hillary shying away from abortion, I would like to see a valid link where she is shying away Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #1

Oh, for Pete's sake! MineralMan Apr 2015 #2

She is wrong for the party and wrong for the country. and she damn well is risk averse cali Apr 2015 #4

You will write what you write. I will comment as I comment. MineralMan Apr 2015 #5

This as an example of a completely false narrative Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #3

I want to share with you where Hillary has been on abortion. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #6

Nah, a lot of politicians try to avoid being pinned down on the issues. winter is coming Apr 2015 #7

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

1. Hillary shying away from abortion, I would like to see a valid link where she is shying away

Reply to cali (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 01:52 PM

Apr 2015

from abortion. For many years she has been pro-choice and has records showing this back to 1974.
She has stated "safe, legal and rare". In other words abortion by professionals, that abortions remain legal and rare, to practice family planning ie birth control, etc. In cases of rape, incest and the mother's life she is quiet vocal, abortion should always be available.

MineralMan

(146,339 posts)

2. Oh, for Pete's sake!

Reply to cali (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 01:55 PM

Apr 2015

Hillary Clinton is widely known as an advocate for reproductive health and choice. It's not one of the things she needs to emphasize. Everyone already knows that. No doubt she will reiterate her support. You're making up something out of nothing. She's not "shying away" from anything. She's emphasizing other things.

I know you dislike Clinton, but this is pretty egregious, if you ask me. Maybe TPP is a better topic for today. She hasn't said much about that. You can attack her for that omission.

cali

(114,904 posts)

4. She is wrong for the party and wrong for the country. and she damn well is risk averse

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 02:17 PM

Apr 2015

to extraordinary degree.

She is a trail blazer in so far as her political career. She does have a great resume. I admire her career accomplishments.

No, I don't like much of her politics. No, I don't think she's courageous. Yes, I think she's willing to play games with the truth.

Unless and until she's the nominee, I intend to speak out against her. I'll continue to defend her against sexist attacks and if she does something I agree with, I'll note it.

I find all the cutesy, contentless rah, rah posts boosting her egregious.

And I have criticized her for her statement on the TPP.

Yeah, I'm fighting against someone I see as a bad candidate.

MineralMan

(146,339 posts)

5. You will write what you write. I will comment as I comment.

Reply to cali (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 02:22 PM

Apr 2015

In this case, you're trying to stir something up in an empty pot. I'll continue to point that out when you do it. DU's great. We all have a voice here.

You won't find me giving her empty praise, either. As I said, I have no candidate for President yet. What you will find is an insistence on accuracy and relevance with regard to all of the candidates. Your post was neither accurate nor relevant, so I pointed that out.

I'm not commenting on TPP threads, because that trade agreement is still being negotiated, and no final version of it is available. When it is, I will study it, looking for what is good and what is bad in it. At this point, that study is impossible, so I'm taking no position on it. I do not form opinions based on other opinions. Only on facts.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,071 posts)

3. This as an example of a completely false narrative

Reply to cali (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 02:14 PM

Apr 2015

with, not only no basis if fact, but numerous examples refuting this outrageous statement.

And people who want to believe anything negative about Clinton will add this to their list or reasons to trash her.

There are numerous video clips right here on DU of Clinton being her bold bad-ass fighting self.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

6. I want to share with you where Hillary has been on abortion.

Reply to cali (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 02:53 PM

Apr 2015

These are from the Hillary on the issues. I know you are a long time DUer but please do not try to show Hillary is not a pro-choice person.

•Issues where Jeb disagrees with Hillary Clinton. (Dec 2014)
•Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care. (Apr 2008)
•Potential for life begins at conception, but don’t intrude. (Apr 2008)
•Opposed China’s forced abortion & Romania’s forced pregnancy. (Apr 2008)
•Long-held moderate stance focuses on reducing abortions. (Mar 2008)
•Consistently uses Dem. Party line, "safe, legal, and rare". (Mar 2008)
•1974: pro-choice fervency not based on any personal abortion. (Jul 2007)
•1999: keep abortion safe, legal & rare into next century. (Jul 2007)
•Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases. (Jun 2007)
•1993:Early action on abortion rights ended Right’s dominance. (Jun 2007)
•Personally would never abort; but deeply values choice. (Jun 2007)
•Abortion is a sad, tragic choice to many women. (May 2007)
•Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too. (Nov 2006)
•Partial birth exceptions for life-threatening abnormalities. (Apr 2006)
•Government should have no role in abortion decision. (Oct 2005)
•We can find common ground on abortion issue. (Sep 2005)
•Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania. (Nov 2003)
•Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice. (Oct 2000)
•Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
•Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose. (Jan 2000)
•Keep abortion safe, legal and rare. (Jan 1999)
•Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
•Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)

7. Nah, a lot of politicians try to avoid being pinned down on the issues.

Reply to cali (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 02:56 PM

Apr 2015

It's a calculated risk: will you lose more votes by supporting X, not X, or being equivocal?

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