It seems no one has and answer to it.

the public is informed, the public will oppose it.

"Pig in a poke?"

LOL... at you if you think President Obama doesn't know what is, likely to be) in the agreement.

People sit down and draft stuff, the President looks it over, and if it makes the pass, he signs off on it. It's not like he sits around drafting every piece of legislation and requires everything to be perfect.

Basically Obama trusts the "people sitting down and drafting stuff." Which is possibly a mistake since those people sitting down and drafting stuff are heavily influenced by corporate desires.

Like certain rights and protections. Any shill in power can negotiate those away just like all the banana republics and 3rd world dictatorships did. Weak argument. Still better than "Logicals" though who seems to think it's nonconsequential until it's signed.

Yes I've negotiated many contracts. And I've seen others negotiate people's livelihoods away.

Obnoxious....

to make it public before "greasing the skids" with Fast Track.

https://donate.elizabethwarren.com/page/signup/tpp?source=blog

I signed it and the one from Senator Sherrod Brown.

This is critical for all of us!

people who aren't gonna look at this critically.

public before the vote?

Maybe some aren't so gullible, but find bashing Obama enjoyable.

a sovereign nation. Is that a foreign concept to you?

tribunals passing their judgement on our local municipalities and citizens. This proposal is nonsense and you know it. It does not even address the main problem(s) with our trade policy which is manipulation of currency, theft of intellectual property etc.

It is just another cleverly disguised transfer (theft) of wealth for the wealthiest on the planet without regard or respect for those who work and paid the price!

Globalism is not interchangeable when it only applies to the whims of The Chamber of Horrors and their bottom line. (or the CFR, Trilateral Commission and their enablers)

I see some serious conflict on the rise. Maybe we will have only two football teams from now on? The Haves and Have Nots? Because its "Globalization" you know. It would not work in the real world......just like this trade agreement.

The age of enlightenment is already upon us and like Harry said; "Not No but Hell No"

Currency manipulation is a more difficult issue.
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/up-front/posts/2014/01/15-currency-manipulation-clause-tpp-solis

it should be discussed? (instead of fast tracked?)

How is it going to solve intellectual property theft? The pentagon is already concerned with Chinese chips that fail in our military craft.

Obviously currency manipulation has been discussed. I think another Bill was just introduced in Congress, and there have been others.

not be fast Tracked? Seems its our corporate WH POTUS that is playing politics with the future of our country.

The modified fast-track in the TPA is even better than the usual procedure used in these things.

Whatever happened to fireside chats?

I am telling you Hoyt........this is not only a bad deal it is also about the lack of transparency.

The hypocrisy of the right is amazing when it comes to sovereignty.....Yet they go to bat for this trade deal that basically sells out our workers and citizens. (why do you think almost 80% of Democrats in congress oppose it?)

It doesn't sell out our workers and citizens.

Why do you think almost 80% of Democrats oppose it?

It could damage the party and the country in the near future.

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so it can not be amended.

Have you met TW Manny?

Logical, Manny. Manny, Logical.

Or has finally realized I'm a ratfucker, or whatever the extreme Left is being called these days.

probably so it won't get overcomplicated. They can come up with something, then the Congress can decide on it. They can decide no.

Senator Wyden took extra steps to take back the fast track if deemed necessary.

from us. Why is congress not allowed to discuss it now before the Nation? (and why is there only spotty media coverage?)

That's about the only input we ever get.

should go through congress as it has an effect on our jobs and our lives.

Don't even get me started on sovereignty!

The SCOTUS is too busy making sure McCorporations are protected from the laws. So the only one left is the C&C. They need to fast track it so the POTUS can kill it dead right on his desk and laugh a little manically at the shocked GOP faces.

NOT saying I know what he will do, not not saying it either...just my 2 cents.

I think the only thing the POTUS regrets, is not behaving this way 6 years ago...however he could have never guessed at how low the GOP would go to destroy his presidency.

IMO.

kind of nefarious intentions he had for his office? It appears (to me) he wanted to sell out older citizens (along with Paul Ryan) with indexing SS.......then there was the Omnibus bill where the WH used last minute canvassing to pass attached rider (with help from Citigroup) that would let trustees in charge of pensions off the hook for their obligations to retirement plans paid for by pensioners.

The fact he has had so much opposition from the right has a silver lining few people see.

Here's a detailed outline posted on Nov. 13, 2011:








link: http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2011/11/20111113202959su0.4597829.html#axzz3Nij1eFRg

So it really isn't a "secret" and I imagine that every US Senator knows that.

It's a promo from USTR, brought to you by . . .

Let's see the fine print.

If you want to read the text, click the link.

And it's still a USTR promo.

And it's still brought to you by . . .

No reason for fast track!

for reasons that make sense to me. Without it nothing is ever going to get passed, and the point is to pass trade legislation that promotes exports and add US jobs, which I think we would all agree are worthy goals.

We hear that with every free trade disaster ever passed the last 30 years. We always lose jobs, and the trade deficit keeps growing to what is now over 8 trillion dollars. Every single one has put money in the pockets of the fat cats, killed jobs due to outsourcing, increased the trade losses, and driven down wages.

Currently they answer to SoS Kerry, who answers to President Obama, and between the two I've voted for them six times that I'm aware of. I have 100% confidence that they are doing what they claim they're doing and I have seen no evidence that they aren't. If Senators Warren or Sanders are aware of any such evidence they should bring it forward.

100% confidence in what Obama is doing. TPP is a giant republican/corporate pig and all the makeup and lipstick in the world that Obama puts on the damn thing won't convince me. I've seen this rodeo many times, including Bill Clinton's in 1993 and 1994.

But I'm not sure that's a disqualifier. Trade is about making money and it beats stealing it outright which is the RNC's preferred method.

p.s. I'm referring to these endorsements, not the rest

I support him on most policies, but I sure as hell don't on this one.

For better or worse, Clinton appears to have gotten rolled, and NAFTA has been blamed for a lot of evils that would understandably make most Democrats chary of repeating the experience. But international trade itself is not necessarily harmful and to the degree that it generates jobs and revenue and doesn't exploit cheap labor and cause environmental disaster, it's good. And by every indication that's what this one is all about:

it creates here, it loses ten fold more in the manufacturing sector. You seem to know little about these trade agreements and the suffering they have caused American workers and citizens. Where in this proposal do they address currency manipulation? Where is the transparency? who is writing this agreement? The Chamber of Horrors?

Constitutional scholars should be alarmed that these agreements are an obvious attack on our nations sovereignty while being placed under Global Tribunals. Funny how the proponents of these agreements promote one world government trade deals and are the only ones privileged to use the term "Globalization" interchangeably.

and if people aren't interested in what the responsibilities of of having rights and protecting them, then they will get what they deserve. The problem with that is that the rest of us will be suffering for their disinterest.

... to sell his countrymen down the river, and hand the entire country over to the corporations

I'm just so glad people like you are on to his dirty tricks.

Is not a good trait!

What an incredibly childish thing to say - but there's a lot of that kind of immaturity going around lately.

So Warren doesn't like it. Is she running around screaming that Obama is selling the country down the river?

Cant congress discuss the details?

He is not just evil; he is corrupt. Anything good he has done over the past 6 years was just a prelude to this ultimate sell-out that will enrich him and impoverish the rest of us.

THAT is his diabolical plan.

I anticipate that if and when it comes time to release the TPP for public review, there will be some huge event like a war or a tragedy or a terror attack. Something will happen, some distraction. And the media will not cover the TPP.

That's how these things usually work.

Remember 9/11 was the terror attack but it was also the day the newspaper consortium was to release its report on the counting of the votes in Florida. I'm not suggesting that 9/11 was an inside job. I'm just pointing out that is the way things seem to work in this corporate age.

after he reversed the high tariffs republicans had passed in the 1920's and negotiated agreements to lower them.

The 1936 republican party platform:

It has destroyed the morale of our people and made them dependent upon government.

Appeals to passion and class prejudice have replaced reason and tolerance.

It has created a vast multitude of new offices, filled them with its favorites, set up a centralized bureaucracy, and sent out swarms of inspectors to harass our people.

It has bred fear and hesitation in commerce and industry, thus discouraging new enterprises, preventing employment and prolonging the depression.

It secretly has made tariff agreements with our foreign competitors, flooding our markets with foreign commodities.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29639

and lobbyists from all sides would go into a frenzy and simply kill it.

Much like a contract negotiation.

They are never made public during the negotiations.