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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:09 AM Apr 2015

Groning trial: Auschwitz survivor recounts brutal experiments by infamous Nazi Dr. Mengele


Eva Kor reveals how she and her twin sister were both injected with unknown substances as she gives testimony at trial of guard charged with complicity in Holocaust.


Eva Kor still bears the blue Auschwitz prisoner number A-7063 on her forearm. But as she sat opposite an impassive 93-year-old former guard at the death camp who is charged with complicity in the murder of 300,000 Jews, she recalled how as a child prisoner she endured the hideous medical experiments of the infamous Auschwitz doctor Josef Mengele.

The trial of Oskar Gröning continued in Lüneburg with testimony from the 81-year-old Ms Kor. She told the former SS guard: “Tell today’s young neo-Nazis that Auschwitz existed and Nazi ideology produces no winners only losers.”

In harrowing detail, the petite Ms Kor told a court how she and her twin sister Miriam escaped being gassed at the death camp because of Mengele’s obsession with experimenting on twins. She recalled how she arrived at Auschwitz with her family after a 70-hour journey from Romania in a rail cattle wagon without food or water. “All I really remember is seeing my mother’s arms stretched out in despair as she was pulled away. I never got to say goodbye to her,” she told a hushed courtroom. “Everywhere there was shouting in German, dogs were barking.

It was the gates of hell.”



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/oskar-groning-trial-auschwitz-survivor-recounts-being-subjected-to-brutal-experiments-at-the-hands-of-infamous-nazi-doctor-josef-mengele-10196486.html
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Groning trial: Auschwitz survivor recounts brutal experiments by infamous Nazi Dr. Mengele (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 OP
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #1
I find your comment strange cali Apr 2015 #3
Indeed... I hope I am wrong, but I suspect there is an attempt to draw a comparison with hlthe2b Apr 2015 #4
You are not alone. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #7
Unfortunately your fears are correct. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #9
Cali I find the injections of Tuskegee syphilis experiment-stanger. midnight Apr 2015 #13
stanger? do you mean stranger? cali Apr 2015 #18
Of course, they weren't injected with syphilis, as I'm sure you're aware. Orrex Apr 2015 #19
Please clarify as to whether this a reference to vaccines. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #6
I'm not convinced it matters that much cali Apr 2015 #11
This anti-vaxxer bs is wildly inappropriate in a thread like this. n/t demmiblue Apr 2015 #10
Or in any thread, to be honest. Orrex Apr 2015 #20
tragic cali Apr 2015 #2
Beautiful in a sinister, desolate way. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #5
Don't forget the NAZIs that CIA forgave and recruited. Octafish Apr 2015 #8
i find your post wildly off topic cali Apr 2015 #12
Why? It's how the NAZIs managed to escape prosecution in the USA. Octafish Apr 2015 #15
do another op on it cali Apr 2015 #16
Please allow me to post what I want. Octafish Apr 2015 #17
My duty and honor, Octafish. I was born the year the Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #14
Aside from Kurtz's final words ("The horror...the horror"), words fail me n/t deutsey Apr 2015 #21
she lived it...... BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #22

Response to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. I find your comment strange
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:21 AM
Apr 2015

A violation? Not how I'd characterize Mengele's heinous crimes. Do you have a clue as to what he did?

hlthe2b

(102,420 posts)
4. Indeed... I hope I am wrong, but I suspect there is an attempt to draw a comparison with
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:29 AM
Apr 2015

required vaccines--particularly in light of Australia's recent removal of all but medical exemptions... If that is the case, I denounce that ugly conflation with every molecule of my being. I hope I am wrong about the intent of that comment in this thread, but I suspect someone will try to conflate the issues, regardless.

Orrex

(63,234 posts)
19. Of course, they weren't injected with syphilis, as I'm sure you're aware.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:55 AM
Apr 2015

So what comparison are you making, exactly?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Don't forget the NAZIs that CIA forgave and recruited.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:34 AM
Apr 2015
Aleksandras Lileikis was a Nazi officer implicated in 60,000 Jews’ deaths. He later worked for the C.I.A. before immigrating.



In Cold War, U.S. Spy Agencies Used 1,000 Nazis

By ERIC LICHTBLAU
The New York Times, OCT. 26, 2014

WASHINGTON — In the decades after World War II, the C.I.A. and other United States agencies employed at least a thousand Nazis as Cold War spies and informants and, as recently as the 1990s, concealed the government’s ties to some still living in America, newly disclosed records and interviews show.

At the height of the Cold War in the 1950s, law enforcement and intelligence leaders like J. Edgar Hoover at the F.B.I. and Allen Dulles at the C.I.A. aggressively recruited onetime Nazis of all ranks as secret, anti-Soviet “assets,” declassified records show. They believed the ex-Nazis’ intelligence value against the Russians outweighed what one official called “moral lapses” in their service to the Third Reich.

The agency hired one former SS officer as a spy in the 1950s, for instance, even after concluding he was probably guilty of “minor war crimes.”

And in 1994, a lawyer with the C.I.A. pressured prosecutors to drop an investigation into an ex-spy outside Boston implicated in the Nazis’ massacre of tens of thousands of Jews in Lithuania, according to a government official.

Evidence of the government’s links to Nazi spies began emerging publicly in the 1970s. But thousands of records from declassified files, Freedom of Information Act requests and other sources, together with interviews with scores of current and former government officials, show that the government’s recruitment of Nazis ran far deeper than previously known and that officials sought to conceal those ties for at least a half-century after the war.

In 1980, F.B.I. officials refused to tell even the Justice Department’s own Nazi hunters what they knew about 16 suspected Nazis living in the United States.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/us/in-cold-war-us-spy-agencies-used-1000-nazis.html?_r=0

PS: Thank you, Surya Gayatri. The NAZI era will not end until they all are exposed and prosecuted and their ideology discredited. So far, only Democracy has proven effective.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. Why? It's how the NAZIs managed to escape prosecution in the USA.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:41 AM
Apr 2015

The reason I post it is so, perhaps, we can capture their ideological heirs, still ensconced in US intelligence community, including FBI and CIA.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. do another op on it
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:45 AM
Apr 2015

I find it both irrelevant to this one, which you didn't bother to address at all, and disrespectful

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
14. My duty and honor, Octafish. I was born the year the
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:41 AM
Apr 2015

camps were liberated. Have always felt some sort of connection. Not even Jewish, but the banality and industrial nature of this unspeakable evil has haunted me.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
22. she lived it......
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:05 AM
Apr 2015
Because she was a twin, she was taken with her sister to the children’s block where she remembered seeing the floor strewn with the corpses of dead children who were the victims of Mengele’s experiments. “I was determined that Miriam and I should not end up like that,” she said.


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