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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:51 AM Apr 2015

Republicans again appeal to theocracy

Michigan Republican Tim Walberg was a Christian minister before winning election to Congress in 2010 — and he hasn’t entirely changed jobs.

In a rare Tuesday-night committee meeting at which House Republicans advanced a bill curtailing reproductive rights, Walberg took the even rarer step of lecturing his colleagues on Scripture.

“It is clearly taught by Jesus the Christ himself,” Walberg preached to members of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, “for those of us who believe in him — and I understand and I accept the fact that there are those who don’t — but he said render unto Caesar what’s Caesar’s and God what’s God’s, and I think that’s an important consideration for us on this committee tonight.”

Claiming Jesus in a political dispute is inflammatory, particularly when you accuse your opponents, as Walberg did, of “a continued attack on religion.” The appeal to theocracy Tuesday night was even more incendiary because it was used to justify a bid to strike down a new District of Columbia law protecting women from workplace discrimination if they receive fertility treatments, use birth control or have abortions.

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Republicans again appeal to theocracy (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2015 OP
Were any of the "Founding Fathers" alive... gregcrawford Apr 2015 #1
What does the story of the tribute money have to do with modern birth control? Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #2
MrWalberg is saying the the woman's reproductive system belongs to god. A horrible interpretation. jwirr Apr 2015 #3
More invasion of personal lives. silverweb Apr 2015 #4
They would call it religious freedom. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #5
Apparently. silverweb Apr 2015 #6

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
1. Were any of the "Founding Fathers" alive...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:00 PM
Apr 2015

... to hear this sanctimonious asshole's brazen attempt to dismantle the separation between church and state, one, or maybe all in succession, would boot his gonads through the top of his head.

Those who piously invoke Christ's name to justify their vile invasions of privacy are the most UN-Christian people I have ever met. They cynically exploit their supposed "Godliness" to to mask the fact that each and every one of them is a seething furnace of malice that defiles everything the Nazarene ever taught. They disgust me, and if I believed in some omnipotent deity, I would hope his opposite number in the Warm Place would reserve an especially toasty ring of the inferno just for them.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
2. What does the story of the tribute money have to do with modern birth control?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:38 PM
Apr 2015

The question put to Jesus had to do with whether his followers should pay taxes to the Romans or not. His answer, I think, was an urging to his followers that there was no reason to make waves with the authorities over spiritual concerns. If anything, Jesus was endorsing the separation of church and state. I don't think Mr. Walberg really believes in that principle, but who am I to argue with him? He's a minister and I'm an apostate.

I still don't see how it applies here. The law in question is one that gives individual women the right to use birth control without fear of being dismissed for it by a employer who is also a religious fanatic. Apparently, Mr. Walberg is himself a religious fanatic who thinks that women who use birth control are godless hussies who need to be shunned by a devout, righteous boss and fired. Even if Mr. Walberg's rather harsh judgment of modern women is based on correct Biblical interpretation, wouldn't Jesus still say that it is not the concern of either Mr. Walberg or a particular woman's boss if the state protects the woman's right to act in ways contrary to his teachings? Jesus would further tell Mr. Walberg and the blue nose who employs the woman that if they want him to save them they should right with him, whatever that means, and not worry about anyone else. "Render unto Caesar those things that are Caesar's and render unto God those things that are God's" (Matthew 21:21.)

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. MrWalberg is saying the the woman's reproductive system belongs to god. A horrible interpretation.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:27 PM
Apr 2015

You are correct about what that passage actually says. So what they ought to be using it for is to tell the rich to pay their fair share of taxes.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
4. More invasion of personal lives.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 04:37 AM
Apr 2015

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]How would said employers find out if a woman was using birth control or had an abortion? I used to know someone "back in the day" who had an abortion under cover of surgery for an ovarian cyst for fear of family/social condemnation. Returning to those days is unthinkable.

Would the GOP now grant employers the right to demand medical records - and if so, how would they reconcile this gross invasion of privacy with their professed devotion to sacred "individual liberty"?



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. They would call it religious freedom.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:06 AM
Apr 2015

If it goes against their christian "conscience" they could claim they have a right to refuse to pay.

Individual liberty is for men.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
6. Apparently.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:13 AM
Apr 2015

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]And war is peace, and up is down, and black is white, etc.

Vile, loathesome creatures, these theocrats of all stripes.



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