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Bye Bye Social Security (Original Post) Playinghardball Apr 2015 OP
In my opinion Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #1
There is one problem with what you suggest. Who would want to spend more time rhett o rick Apr 2015 #2
Okay Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #8
LOL Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #30
Prison Guards? Liberalagogo Apr 2015 #50
Very Good. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #51
Saudi princes eager for kisses on the lips? tclambert Apr 2015 #58
Ewwww! rhett o rick Apr 2015 #63
Since turbinetree Apr 2015 #22
Where, oh where, is the reporter who asks Jeb "why not raise the cap"? CTyankee Apr 2015 #3
So he can answer: I will never raise the taxes on Americans"? hedda_foil Apr 2015 #4
but how about they pay their fair share for getting rich in this great country? CTyankee Apr 2015 #6
Why would they do that? hedda_foil Apr 2015 #27
well, for one thing they have a functioning democracy and not a wild out craziness... CTyankee Apr 2015 #33
How about Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #35
How about "taxes OVERDUE"! CTyankee Apr 2015 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #40
"...read...my...asshole..... Chipper Chat Apr 2015 #48
Hillary already answered it in the last primary hfojvt Apr 2015 #68
IOW, Jeb makes play for Koch support. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #5
You want to know what is a pyramid scheme? JDPriestly Apr 2015 #13
Yes. Those in the "loop" make a ton, the bit players lose. Nice to see your byline. erronis Apr 2015 #15
IMHO So are the big Wall Street banks... StarzGuy Apr 2015 #18
The last time a republican did something I liked awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #7
That and seeing DICK Cheney wheeled off in a wheelchair with that characteristic sneer on his face! George II Apr 2015 #19
Yep. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #39
This kind of wheelchair? LongTomH Apr 2015 #64
The last time a republican did something I liked Oldtimeralso Apr 2015 #57
I would have preferred he was escorted off in handcuffs tclambert Apr 2015 #62
Same here. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #75
Holy cow! world wide wally Apr 2015 #9
Take a long look Thespian2 Apr 2015 #49
K&R. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #10
What I was thinking... freebrew Apr 2015 #54
And e) health problems and disability. N/t spooky3 Apr 2015 #55
A REAL national health plan would go a long way toward keeping older workers employed! LongTomH Apr 2015 #65
and Jeb is the smart one ? olddots Apr 2015 #11
they say this every 4 yrs, since when? tomorrow, IMMEDIATELY or else. then another 4 yrs goes by. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #12
K&R! Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #14
Is this in a newspaper or on an ad somewhere? I don't understand what onecent Apr 2015 #16
Everyone needs to do this marle35 Apr 2015 #25
thank you very much!!! onecent Apr 2015 #31
We don't have to wait for Jeb--a 'Democrat' is even now working with Repubs to bring it down eridani Apr 2015 #17
Yepper turbinetree Apr 2015 #20
I'm afraid I never got to the part about expanding it and lowering the retirement age... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #23
My thought is that we should be all over this BEFORE it gets out of committee n/t eridani Apr 2015 #26
I agree we should, but I'm doubting that Rothfus even knew about it BECAUSE of that... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #29
"insulate Members of Congress from the public backlash"??? arcane1 Apr 2015 #34
No, the intent is to punt it to a commission, he is literally just following the third way handbook Dragonfli Apr 2015 #46
Will do. Thanks for the info. We cannot let Republicans or Democrats cut SS. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #36
Democrats were a major part of the last reform madville Apr 2015 #41
The point of that was to deal with the baby boom population lump eridani Apr 2015 #42
They also raised the tax on us baby boomers substantially in order to build up the trust fund Dragonfli Apr 2015 #47
+1 woo me with science Apr 2015 #45
Appreciate a link to share... antiquie Apr 2015 #21
And they called him, "the SMART one", eh? MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #24
Playinghardball Diclotican Apr 2015 #28
But but but there is no difference between the two parties, I keep hearing NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #32
Republicans are going to lose a lot of votes in Texas with such talk....it's just a matter AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #37
Another beloved policy of political elites marle35 Apr 2015 #43
kick Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #44
turn 62 in a bit over a month better grab it while i can dembotoz Apr 2015 #52
One issue - are they also going to get rid of social security disability? Because if they manage jwirr Apr 2015 #53
Not just seditious chapdrum Apr 2015 #56
If this also means delaying Medicare until 70, many people will die. McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #59
I thought he said he wasn't an idiot like his brother. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2015 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2015 #61
SSI is not a TAX angrychair Apr 2015 #66
I predict a republican coup on our American election coming up. Madmiddle Apr 2015 #67
Jebbie just committed political suicide workinclasszero Apr 2015 #69
Where did this image come from? passiveporcupine Apr 2015 #70
Semantics LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #72
immediately and eventually are not the same thing passiveporcupine Apr 2015 #76
Why, jeb, Why? Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #71
Kicked, rec'd and tweeted. Kingofalldems Apr 2015 #73
How grim it is: A governor of Florida advocates this... Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #74

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. In my opinion
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:20 PM
Apr 2015

The Esteemed Mr. Bush, doesn't need the government job for which he seems to be angling to get. That would save him all the time worrying about my Social Security and he can then spend more time with his family.

turbinetree

(24,733 posts)
22. Since
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:23 PM
Apr 2015

he and his ilk are so concerned about the funding -----the public should be asking how much has he had taken out of his W2 forms into the fund (I know he hasn't worked a real job) -----I think everyone of these right wing hypocrites should present that information to the public.
I know I have 6.2% of my wages taken out every pay check---what's his.
What is remarkable is that after he "earns" $118,000.01 he doesn't have to pay, if he did at all---we have to subsidize him and now he wants "US" to subsidize the wall street Koch brothers and there Ponzi scheme

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
3. Where, oh where, is the reporter who asks Jeb "why not raise the cap"?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:38 PM
Apr 2015

I wanna see Jeb answer THAT! Or any republican for that matter...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
33. well, for one thing they have a functioning democracy and not a wild out craziness...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:51 PM
Apr 2015

a stable economy is always good. As is a stable government that you know you can depend on (Hah!). So it is good, not bad. They have a good life...

Response to CTyankee (Reply #38)

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
68. Hillary already answered it in the last primary
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:54 PM
Apr 2015

She said "because that's a trillion dollar tax increase on the middle class". Richardson said the same thing, first, and then Hillary followed. They wanted a donut hole. The cap is now like $113,000. So they would leave a hole from $113,000 to $250,000 and then tax income above that. Because, you know, we don't want to increase taxes on all those little people with $170,000 a year jobs (like Congresspeople).

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. IOW, Jeb makes play for Koch support.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:51 PM
Apr 2015

The Kochs have been out to kill SS since the 1970s.

David Koch has been calling it a pyramid scheme forever.

StarzGuy

(254 posts)
18. IMHO So are the big Wall Street banks...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:09 PM
Apr 2015

..pyramid schemes that only benefit the 1% The rest of US gets screwed. Overdraw your checking account by 1 cent and bang it costs you $35 overdraft fee if you don't correct it within 24 hours of it being posted. If you are like me, I rely on online banking. So if there is a problem and you aren't able to get online, too bad you lose and must pay for that 1 cent mistake.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
7. The last time a republican did something I liked
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:07 PM
Apr 2015

was on 20Jan2008- seeing Bush fly away in that helicopter, being "serenaded" by the crowd

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
62. I would have preferred he was escorted off in handcuffs
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:13 PM
Apr 2015

and turned over to an international war crimes tribunal.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
49. Take a long look
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 10:21 AM
Apr 2015

at Grandpa Prescott Bush...you are indeed correct. The Bush Bastards have been destroying America since the ancient ones got rich.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. K&R.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 06:14 PM
Apr 2015

Delaying retirement has nothing to do with changing Social Security.

If you want to delay retirement, you require employers to pay huge sums of money for laying off seniors, for firing seniors without cause and for any age discrimination against seniors in hiring. Plus you require companies that go restructure or go into bankruptcy to first pay the huge compensation that the laws against discrimination against seniors require before paying any other creditors or hiring any new people or reorganizing.

The reason that seniors stop working when they are young is that a) their jobs disappear; b) the company reorganizes them out of a job; c) their jobs are outsourced or structured to involve technology the company is unwilling to train the senior to use; d) old-fashioned discrimination.

You have to change discrimination laws if you want seniors to work longer. That's the bottom line.

And the laws that have to be changed are not just about age discrimination; the laws on disability discrimination also need to be changed. Seniors should not have to sue their employers or prospective employers to get the opportunity to work until the age of 70.

Jeb Bush is completely out of touch with the real, working world. He does not know what goes on out here.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
54. What I was thinking...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 11:45 AM
Apr 2015

how can you delay retirement, when the company retires you at, say 57.
There are no jobs for 'over-experienced' folks.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
65. A REAL national health plan would go a long way toward keeping older workers employed!
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:39 PM
Apr 2015

Healthcare costs are a major factor in why companies get rid of older workers.

A national health care system built on preventive care would also help keep older workers healthy longer. Our current system is based on high-dollar intervention when things go wrong. More profit, don'tcha know?

onecent

(6,096 posts)
16. Is this in a newspaper or on an ad somewhere? I don't understand what
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:00 PM
Apr 2015

point counter point is. I want to know how reputable this is, cuz I plan to facebook it to all my
tea party and repub friends and family....

marle35

(172 posts)
25. Everyone needs to do this
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:43 PM
Apr 2015

Let everyone know what Jeb wants to do with Social Security. If he becomes the Republican nominee, remind them again before election day.

There are many news articles on it, but here is one:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/2016-jeb-bush-social-security-retirement-age-20150417

eridani

(51,907 posts)
17. We don't have to wait for Jeb--a 'Democrat' is even now working with Repubs to bring it down
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:09 PM
Apr 2015
NO to H.R. 1578!

Legislation introduced in the House by Rep. John Delaney (D-MD) would create a Social Security Commission designed to fast-track reforms and insulate Members of Congress from the public backlash over harmful benefit cuts that co-sponsor Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK) says the commission will consider, including: raising the retirement age, means testing and the chained CPI.
8

It is appalling that a “Democrat” is backing legislation to cut the New Deal’s most successful program. Let him know you don’t approve

Rep. John Delaney
1632 Longworth House Office Bldg
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-2721
Fax: 202-225-2193

Rep. John Delaney
9801 Washingtonian Blvd
Suite 330
Gaithersburg, MD 20878
Phone: 301-926-0300
Fax: 301-926-0324

Rep. John Delaney
38 S Potomac St
Suite 205
Hagerstown, MD 21740
Phone: 301-733-2900


On Twitter? #socialsecurity @RepJohnDelaney Leave Social Security (and its nearly $3T) ALONE! http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/assets.html Scrap the cap! Expand it! If you use any social media, spread the word any way you can.

Tell him to expand Social Security and lower the retirement age.

turbinetree

(24,733 posts)
20. Yepper
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:15 PM
Apr 2015

the good old DINO from the Maryland 6th District right along with a right winger by the name of Cole----------
I think they should submit there SS information to the American public to see how much they have paid into this fund----prior to them being sucking off the public doles and doing nothing except a attack the workers in this country whining that the fund is under funded, lift the cap above $188,001 cent and everyone would have to pay====problem solved


MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
23. I'm afraid I never got to the part about expanding it and lowering the retirement age...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:38 PM
Apr 2015

My message was definitely targeted towards the ridiculous nature of this Bill introduced!

Yeah… what Americans need is a commission of 13 people who can, by a vote of nine, recommend how to establish Long Term Social Security Solvency…

And the commission has the obligatory role of... "for other purposes".

I also called my Rep, even though this piece of trash is still in the Ways and Means committee.

Here's a directory of Reps (not that I think we need it, but there it is…)
http://www.house.gov/representatives/

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
29. I agree we should, but I'm doubting that Rothfus even knew about it BECAUSE of that...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:49 PM
Apr 2015

We have to teach these know-nothings how to be pro-active of what's down the pike, I suppose.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
46. No, the intent is to punt it to a commission, he is literally just following the third way handbook
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:11 PM
Apr 2015
Fixing Social Security is never a task that politicians jump to, but here, too, we suggest an easier way. Appoint a bipartisan commission to draft and present recommendations in December 2014. Require a congressional vote by April 2015. Allow substitute amendments but only those that achieve 75-year solvency. And add a trigger, so if Congress can’t pass anything, fixes (like the Social Security component from Bowles-Simpson or Domenici-Rivlin) will still take effect in 2016. This guarantees a plan that is bipartisan and balanced.


http://perspectives.thirdway.org/?p=3221

The marching orders from the Investment Bankers, hedge fund managers and private rich creeps like Pete Peterson have been issued via the various Think Tanks they fund to write policy and strategy for the politicians they buy.

Last I heard, all the new Democrats are fully on board with these marching orders and are just trying to do the job they have been bought to do. Obama tried to follow his orders but was blocked by the Birchers, Last I heard, Hillary also favors following the ordes issued and is also in favor of "a balanced bi-partisan" commission to do the dirty deed.

(She said so in her '08 campaign at least). I suspect she will tone her intentions down during the primary, and obscure her past on record support for Peterson's brain child beneath a thin veneer of populist empty rhetoric, but rest assured, just like Obama, it will be job 1 once in office.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
36. Will do. Thanks for the info. We cannot let Republicans or Democrats cut SS.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:52 PM
Apr 2015

The people worked for this money. It is their money. Stop stealing people's money Congress.

madville

(7,412 posts)
41. Democrats were a major part of the last reform
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:10 PM
Apr 2015

In 1983 I believe, Ted Kennedy was the bill's co-sponsor if I remember right. The major change was that it raised the age from 65 to 67 during a period ranging from 1988-2000 I think.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
42. The point of that was to deal with the baby boom population lump
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:14 PM
Apr 2015

That's why the $3 trillion surplus--which will be paid down until the last boomer retires. They we'll need another way to deal with the millennial baby boom echo.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
47. They also raised the tax on us baby boomers substantially in order to build up the trust fund
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:21 PM
Apr 2015

That they now want to steal (I mean borrow from but never pay back) rather than use it for it's intended purpose, provide benefits to us boomers.

2.7 Trillion will blow up lots of bubbles for them to burst and then suck up all the money that falls out while we fall into poverty if they get to privatize it plan a (R), plan b (D) is to borrow it all, give it away in tax breaks and never return the funds borrowed claiming the only way to sustain SS is to raise the age, reduce benefits etc so current intake equals or exceeds current payouts.

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
21. Appreciate a link to share...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:18 PM
Apr 2015

This is all I've found. Bad enough, but I would like a link to the "immediate" comment.

From CBS April 17th

At a "Politics and Eggs" breakfast in Manchester, New Hampshire, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said he backs raising the retirement age for Social Security.

"We need to recognize that someone in their 30's is not going to get the benefits under the current situation," he said. "I think we need to raise the retirement age, not for the people who are already on it, but raise it over a long period of time for people who are just entering the system. And we need to do that in relatively short order."


Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
28. Playinghardball
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:48 PM
Apr 2015

Playinghardball

A evil man - for a evil idelogy.... Conservatism at it worst - but it shown how they have evolved from the cowardice they once was griping by - when the Soviet Union existed - and they had a real fear in their heart for a revolution against heir ideology... Social Security - Medicaid and the rest of the programs,who was put into life from FDR and forward to our time, (in every country who have it) is the result of fear for a revolution and fear for loosing everything

Now they are not afraid - as it exist no USSR - and as long as enough people is busy looking at american idol or something that - they could as they believe stealing every single penny from the common people.. And they do it - one program at the time - wanting to turn the clock back to before 1900 - when people had to work to they died -and died they did, in poor-homes - and working homes, where they had to work for even the little food they was given...

Conservatives want to turn back the time - destroying all progress made for the last 150-200 years for the benefit of everyone - and sad to say - many who benefit from the programs - believe the conservatives - and is electing them into high offices - and is then surprised when their benefits are cut - and blame everyone else than the ones who have been responsible for it....


I have a friend - or at least he was a friend - who was on benefits for more than a decade - and rather proud bragging about how he was able to game the system - Of course in a "legal way" - in the end the benefits office (NAV) started being stricter and stricter with he benefits - and maybe also because he have two kids - who have starting given doubts about their father - because he was not working as everyone else's father did... In the end he managed to get a driving license - even if that was a hard challenge for him - and even to get a job - trucking a small truck - and then he turned straight right political speaking - not that I do not know he was on the right part of the political spectrum - but the last year or so he have really turned hard right - and we are not on speaking terms longer - and thats is maybe the worst of it - he is one of the ones I have been helping, supporting - and given hours of my time when I could have been doing anything else - even been somewhat of a para-legal - a psychology - and most between - both for him - and his girlfriend who he has two kids with when they was down of their luck - and now as he have been getting a job - and "earn his own money" - he doesn't need me anymore - I think it is so basically - he doesn't need me - and he doesn't need the benefits he lived on - for more than a decade... And he cry wolf about "socialism" every time he are on the subject...

But he live a long way from his girlfriend and two kids - they live 60 metric miles from where he lives - and he himself live back with his parents - officially working to get a apartment - and then to make the move for his girlfriend and two kids - but I suspect he is rather comfortable living back home - where rent is free - the same is food - and where he can "play dad" when he feel for it.....

And even then - he turned deep conservative when he got a job - and have stated so many times about how horrible socialism is - and how many who live on benefits should have getting away from it - and more than one time tormented my - because Iam on disability - and he know darn well why I'm on disability - but even then he continue to torment and more or less bully me about the fact I'm not able to work at the moment...

And he is terrified I could spill the beans as it where - as I know all his "dirty" secrets - about how he have been treating his girlfriend of many years - not to say been gaming the system for years - he tried to re-invent himself as he now are in work - rather than sitting on his behind and collect benefits....


Diclotican

marle35

(172 posts)
43. Another beloved policy of political elites
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:46 PM
Apr 2015

Someone needs to compile a list of highly unpopular policies that prominent politicians love, that the general public hate. This is surely one of them.

Do Jeb and the "fiscal conservatives" ever consider constructive policies that don't punish people, but help them contribute economically to society? What about promoting policies that help people in their 50s/60s find and keep jobs? Age discrimination is rampant. So many older people want to work, but get laid off and find it almost impossible to get another job.

But no, let's take away one of the few lifelines of the middle/working class. I mean delay. For a year. And another year, and another...

Tell me again why these politicians are viable candidates?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
53. One issue - are they also going to get rid of social security disability? Because if they manage
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 11:41 AM
Apr 2015

to raise the age of eligibility to 70 most of us will be disabled and can collect through that. I wonder if there are any statistics on average age of disability for retirees.

BTW they would not be able to get rid of social security disability because it does not go to just the elderly.

Oh, well social security has been a political talking point for decades. The Rs have a lot of people convinced that it is not going to be there when they need it.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
60. I thought he said he wasn't an idiot like his brother.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:05 PM
Apr 2015

In fairness, the GDub level of idiocy is hard to achieve, but Jeb is trying.

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

angrychair

(8,740 posts)
66. SSI is not a TAX
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:41 PM
Apr 2015

ASK: who is the largest debtor to the U.S.?
Answer: the American people.
ASK: Is the Social Security Trust Fund insolvent?
Answer: NO.
ASK: is the Social Security Trust Fund full of IOUs that the government has pay back?
Answer: yes.
making my retirement age (I should be past any cut-off but you never know) or most likely my children's retirement age farther and farther out..70!!, 71!!!!,72!!! is so sad, the whole thing makes me sick.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
69. Jebbie just committed political suicide
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:55 PM
Apr 2015

I think he faced the fact that there is no way he is ever going to win a republican primary now that teahaddists totally control the party.

So he is speaking the rethug truth. They have longed to kill social security since the day it was passed into law. Thats the holy grail for the gop and wall street.

If the rich 1% just paid a tiny little bit of their immense wealth in taxes, social security would have no problems.

Oh and thanks for falling on your sword Jeb so the extreme hard right will get the nomination and Hillary will win in a landslide!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
70. Where did this image come from?
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:40 PM
Apr 2015

Jeb Bush never said this. The image is false and hyperbole. Yes he wants to extend SS to age 70, but not for "All Americans". Those on SS now or close to it would not be affected.

Lets use real evidence to show these guys up for what they are. We don't need to make stuff up.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
76. immediately and eventually are not the same thing
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:38 PM
Apr 2015

And besides, it will never affect all Americans even "eventually", because some of us are already on SS and we joined before 70.

Sorry...it's just wrong and it's misrepresenting his words.

But hey, if we can scare a few more people, why not?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
74. How grim it is: A governor of Florida advocates this...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 04:43 PM
Apr 2015

I've believed for the last 3 decades that the Democratic Party's political sea worthiness in the end depends on a strong defense of TWO (2) rights/measures: A woman's right to choose, and a decent social security system. The GOP knows this, and we listen to the bulkheads breaking below deck.

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