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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSherman A1
(38,958 posts)The Esteemed Mr. Bush, doesn't need the government job for which he seems to be angling to get. That would save him all the time worrying about my Social Security and he can then spend more time with his family.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)with his family?
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I have to agree with you, but it's a place to start!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)They make The Addams Family look like the Cleavers
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)n/t
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)tclambert
(11,087 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)turbinetree
(24,733 posts)he and his ilk are so concerned about the funding -----the public should be asking how much has he had taken out of his W2 forms into the fund (I know he hasn't worked a real job) -----I think everyone of these right wing hypocrites should present that information to the public.
I know I have 6.2% of my wages taken out every pay check---what's his.
What is remarkable is that after he "earns" $118,000.01 he doesn't have to pay, if he did at all---we have to subsidize him and now he wants "US" to subsidize the wall street Koch brothers and there Ponzi scheme
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I wanna see Jeb answer THAT! Or any republican for that matter...
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)a stable economy is always good. As is a stable government that you know you can depend on (Hah!). So it is good, not bad. They have a good life...
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"Read my lips! No new taxes!"
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)With a fine.
I know. Won't happen. But I hope so...
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Chipper Chat
(9,698 posts)...no..phew taxes"
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)She said "because that's a trillion dollar tax increase on the middle class". Richardson said the same thing, first, and then Hillary followed. They wanted a donut hole. The cap is now like $113,000. So they would leave a hole from $113,000 to $250,000 and then tax income above that. Because, you know, we don't want to increase taxes on all those little people with $170,000 a year jobs (like Congresspeople).
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)The Kochs have been out to kill SS since the 1970s.
David Koch has been calling it a pyramid scheme forever.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The stock market is a pyramid scheme from top to bottom.
erronis
(15,383 posts)StarzGuy
(254 posts)..pyramid schemes that only benefit the 1% The rest of US gets screwed. Overdraw your checking account by 1 cent and bang it costs you $35 overdraft fee if you don't correct it within 24 hours of it being posted. If you are like me, I rely on online banking. So if there is a problem and you aren't able to get online, too bad you lose and must pay for that 1 cent mistake.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)was on 20Jan2008- seeing Bush fly away in that helicopter, being "serenaded" by the crowd
George II
(67,782 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)ex-ter-min-ate
Oldtimeralso
(1,938 posts)is when Nixon resigned!!!
tclambert
(11,087 posts)and turned over to an international war crimes tribunal.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)world wide wally
(21,757 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)at Grandpa Prescott Bush...you are indeed correct. The Bush Bastards have been destroying America since the ancient ones got rich.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Delaying retirement has nothing to do with changing Social Security.
If you want to delay retirement, you require employers to pay huge sums of money for laying off seniors, for firing seniors without cause and for any age discrimination against seniors in hiring. Plus you require companies that go restructure or go into bankruptcy to first pay the huge compensation that the laws against discrimination against seniors require before paying any other creditors or hiring any new people or reorganizing.
The reason that seniors stop working when they are young is that a) their jobs disappear; b) the company reorganizes them out of a job; c) their jobs are outsourced or structured to involve technology the company is unwilling to train the senior to use; d) old-fashioned discrimination.
You have to change discrimination laws if you want seniors to work longer. That's the bottom line.
And the laws that have to be changed are not just about age discrimination; the laws on disability discrimination also need to be changed. Seniors should not have to sue their employers or prospective employers to get the opportunity to work until the age of 70.
Jeb Bush is completely out of touch with the real, working world. He does not know what goes on out here.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)how can you delay retirement, when the company retires you at, say 57.
There are no jobs for 'over-experienced' folks.
spooky3
(34,499 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Healthcare costs are a major factor in why companies get rid of older workers.
A national health care system built on preventive care would also help keep older workers healthy longer. Our current system is based on high-dollar intervention when things go wrong. More profit, don'tcha know?
olddots
(10,237 posts)bye bye Jeb. bye bye now .
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,783 posts)onecent
(6,096 posts)point counter point is. I want to know how reputable this is, cuz I plan to facebook it to all my
tea party and repub friends and family....
marle35
(172 posts)Let everyone know what Jeb wants to do with Social Security. If he becomes the Republican nominee, remind them again before election day.
There are many news articles on it, but here is one:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/2016-jeb-bush-social-security-retirement-age-20150417
onecent
(6,096 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Legislation introduced in the House by Rep. John Delaney (D-MD) would create a Social Security Commission designed to fast-track reforms and insulate Members of Congress from the public backlash over harmful benefit cuts that co-sponsor Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK) says the commission will consider, including: raising the retirement age, means testing and the chained CPI.
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It is appalling that a Democrat is backing legislation to cut the New Deals most successful program. Let him know you dont approve
Rep. John Delaney
1632 Longworth House Office Bldg
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-2721
Fax: 202-225-2193
Rep. John Delaney
9801 Washingtonian Blvd
Suite 330
Gaithersburg, MD 20878
Phone: 301-926-0300
Fax: 301-926-0324
Rep. John Delaney
38 S Potomac St
Suite 205
Hagerstown, MD 21740
Phone: 301-733-2900
On Twitter? #socialsecurity @RepJohnDelaney Leave Social Security (and its nearly $3T) ALONE! http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/assets.html Scrap the cap! Expand it! If you use any social media, spread the word any way you can.
Tell him to expand Social Security and lower the retirement age.
turbinetree
(24,733 posts)the good old DINO from the Maryland 6th District right along with a right winger by the name of Cole----------
I think they should submit there SS information to the American public to see how much they have paid into this fund----prior to them being sucking off the public doles and doing nothing except a attack the workers in this country whining that the fund is under funded, lift the cap above $188,001 cent and everyone would have to pay====problem solved
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)My message was definitely targeted towards the ridiculous nature of this Bill introduced!
Yeah
what Americans need is a commission of 13 people who can, by a vote of nine, recommend how to establish Long Term Social Security Solvency
And the commission has the obligatory role of... "for other purposes".
I also called my Rep, even though this piece of trash is still in the Ways and Means committee.
Here's a directory of Reps (not that I think we need it, but there it is
)
http://www.house.gov/representatives/
eridani
(51,907 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)We have to teach these know-nothings how to be pro-active of what's down the pike, I suppose.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Would this be like a voice vote?
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)http://perspectives.thirdway.org/?p=3221
The marching orders from the Investment Bankers, hedge fund managers and private rich creeps like Pete Peterson have been issued via the various Think Tanks they fund to write policy and strategy for the politicians they buy.
Last I heard, all the new Democrats are fully on board with these marching orders and are just trying to do the job they have been bought to do. Obama tried to follow his orders but was blocked by the Birchers, Last I heard, Hillary also favors following the ordes issued and is also in favor of "a balanced bi-partisan" commission to do the dirty deed.
(She said so in her '08 campaign at least). I suspect she will tone her intentions down during the primary, and obscure her past on record support for Peterson's brain child beneath a thin veneer of populist empty rhetoric, but rest assured, just like Obama, it will be job 1 once in office.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)The people worked for this money. It is their money. Stop stealing people's money Congress.
madville
(7,412 posts)In 1983 I believe, Ted Kennedy was the bill's co-sponsor if I remember right. The major change was that it raised the age from 65 to 67 during a period ranging from 1988-2000 I think.
eridani
(51,907 posts)That's why the $3 trillion surplus--which will be paid down until the last boomer retires. They we'll need another way to deal with the millennial baby boom echo.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)That they now want to steal (I mean borrow from but never pay back) rather than use it for it's intended purpose, provide benefits to us boomers.
2.7 Trillion will blow up lots of bubbles for them to burst and then suck up all the money that falls out while we fall into poverty if they get to privatize it plan a (R), plan b (D) is to borrow it all, give it away in tax breaks and never return the funds borrowed claiming the only way to sustain SS is to raise the age, reduce benefits etc so current intake equals or exceeds current payouts.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)antiquie
(4,299 posts)This is all I've found. Bad enough, but I would like a link to the "immediate" comment.
From CBS April 17thAt a "Politics and Eggs" breakfast in Manchester, New Hampshire, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said he backs raising the retirement age for Social Security.
"We need to recognize that someone in their 30's is not going to get the benefits under the current situation," he said. "I think we need to raise the retirement age, not for the people who are already on it, but raise it over a long period of time for people who are just entering the system. And we need to do that in relatively short order."
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Brilliant. I wonder if he can put his socks on?
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)Playinghardball
A evil man - for a evil idelogy.... Conservatism at it worst - but it shown how they have evolved from the cowardice they once was griping by - when the Soviet Union existed - and they had a real fear in their heart for a revolution against heir ideology... Social Security - Medicaid and the rest of the programs,who was put into life from FDR and forward to our time, (in every country who have it) is the result of fear for a revolution and fear for loosing everything
Now they are not afraid - as it exist no USSR - and as long as enough people is busy looking at american idol or something that - they could as they believe stealing every single penny from the common people.. And they do it - one program at the time - wanting to turn the clock back to before 1900 - when people had to work to they died -and died they did, in poor-homes - and working homes, where they had to work for even the little food they was given...
Conservatives want to turn back the time - destroying all progress made for the last 150-200 years for the benefit of everyone - and sad to say - many who benefit from the programs - believe the conservatives - and is electing them into high offices - and is then surprised when their benefits are cut - and blame everyone else than the ones who have been responsible for it....
I have a friend - or at least he was a friend - who was on benefits for more than a decade - and rather proud bragging about how he was able to game the system - Of course in a "legal way" - in the end the benefits office (NAV) started being stricter and stricter with he benefits - and maybe also because he have two kids - who have starting given doubts about their father - because he was not working as everyone else's father did... In the end he managed to get a driving license - even if that was a hard challenge for him - and even to get a job - trucking a small truck - and then he turned straight right political speaking - not that I do not know he was on the right part of the political spectrum - but the last year or so he have really turned hard right - and we are not on speaking terms longer - and thats is maybe the worst of it - he is one of the ones I have been helping, supporting - and given hours of my time when I could have been doing anything else - even been somewhat of a para-legal - a psychology - and most between - both for him - and his girlfriend who he has two kids with when they was down of their luck - and now as he have been getting a job - and "earn his own money" - he doesn't need me anymore - I think it is so basically - he doesn't need me - and he doesn't need the benefits he lived on - for more than a decade... And he cry wolf about "socialism" every time he are on the subject...
But he live a long way from his girlfriend and two kids - they live 60 metric miles from where he lives - and he himself live back with his parents - officially working to get a apartment - and then to make the move for his girlfriend and two kids - but I suspect he is rather comfortable living back home - where rent is free - the same is food - and where he can "play dad" when he feel for it.....
And even then - he turned deep conservative when he got a job - and have stated so many times about how horrible socialism is - and how many who live on benefits should have getting away from it - and more than one time tormented my - because Iam on disability - and he know darn well why I'm on disability - but even then he continue to torment and more or less bully me about the fact I'm not able to work at the moment...
And he is terrified I could spill the beans as it where - as I know all his "dirty" secrets - about how he have been treating his girlfriend of many years - not to say been gaming the system for years - he tried to re-invent himself as he now are in work - rather than sitting on his behind and collect benefits....
Diclotican
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)weird
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Of time...
marle35
(172 posts)Someone needs to compile a list of highly unpopular policies that prominent politicians love, that the general public hate. This is surely one of them.
Do Jeb and the "fiscal conservatives" ever consider constructive policies that don't punish people, but help them contribute economically to society? What about promoting policies that help people in their 50s/60s find and keep jobs? Age discrimination is rampant. So many older people want to work, but get laid off and find it almost impossible to get another job.
But no, let's take away one of the few lifelines of the middle/working class. I mean delay. For a year. And another year, and another...
Tell me again why these politicians are viable candidates?
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)dembotoz
(16,864 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)to raise the age of eligibility to 70 most of us will be disabled and can collect through that. I wonder if there are any statistics on average age of disability for retirees.
BTW they would not be able to get rid of social security disability because it does not go to just the elderly.
Oh, well social security has been a political talking point for decades. The Rs have a lot of people convinced that it is not going to be there when they need it.
chapdrum
(930 posts)this family - but delightfully mean-spirited as well.
So surprising.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)In fairness, the GDub level of idiocy is hard to achieve, but Jeb is trying.
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angrychair
(8,740 posts)ASK: who is the largest debtor to the U.S.?
Answer: the American people.
ASK: Is the Social Security Trust Fund insolvent?
Answer: NO.
ASK: is the Social Security Trust Fund full of IOUs that the government has pay back?
Answer: yes.
making my retirement age (I should be past any cut-off but you never know) or most likely my children's retirement age farther and farther out..70!!, 71!!!!,72!!! is so sad, the whole thing makes me sick.
Madmiddle
(459 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I think he faced the fact that there is no way he is ever going to win a republican primary now that teahaddists totally control the party.
So he is speaking the rethug truth. They have longed to kill social security since the day it was passed into law. Thats the holy grail for the gop and wall street.
If the rich 1% just paid a tiny little bit of their immense wealth in taxes, social security would have no problems.
Oh and thanks for falling on your sword Jeb so the extreme hard right will get the nomination and Hillary will win in a landslide!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Jeb Bush never said this. The image is false and hyperbole. Yes he wants to extend SS to age 70, but not for "All Americans". Those on SS now or close to it would not be affected.
Lets use real evidence to show these guys up for what they are. We don't need to make stuff up.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)He is proposing this to affect ALL Americans eventually.
Its not "made up" at all.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And besides, it will never affect all Americans even "eventually", because some of us are already on SS and we joined before 70.
Sorry...it's just wrong and it's misrepresenting his words.
But hey, if we can scare a few more people, why not?
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I've believed for the last 3 decades that the Democratic Party's political sea worthiness in the end depends on a strong defense of TWO (2) rights/measures: A woman's right to choose, and a decent social security system. The GOP knows this, and we listen to the bulkheads breaking below deck.