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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
1. Ms. Nidetch made millions of lives better.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:41 PM
Apr 2015

What a truly wonderful life she lived.

Peace to her family and friends.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
2. I wonder if any "Healthy at every size" folks have made it that far.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:53 PM
Apr 2015

So passes a fat-phobic body shamer.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
3. Oh that's really necessary
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:40 PM
Apr 2015

You can't just say RIP and be positive about her life, you have to dis fat people too. Good thing my self esteem isn't dependent on the opinions of nasty prejudiced jerks like you.

As for Ms Neidrich (sp?) my mother sent me to weight watchers when I was about 12 and not especially fat. Nothing more than the proverbial baby fat if that. I found the meetings and program to be a nightmare. I have no doubt that being wrongly singled out as fat by my mom during my preteen years (spent a summer at "fat camp" too) contributed greatly to my later becoming genuinely overweight.

I am happy to say, however, that the weight watchers program can no longer be referred to as a nightmare (example: Betty's thanksgiving day dinner on Mad Men, which would barely feed a two year old). These days most fruits and vegetables are unlimited, and no food is prohibited as long as you count them in your allotted points. I still won't set foot in a meeting but no longer loathe the program.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
4. I never once mentioned "Fat people"
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:54 PM
Apr 2015

People who spout bullshit come in every size.

"Stupid at every size", if you will.

I'm sorry she's gone. People like her have done the world much good.

Why should your self esteem be impacted by what I've said anyway? Are you part of the "Healthy at every size" camp?

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
5. You know damn well you implied fat people
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:12 PM
Apr 2015

With using the phrase healthy at any size and a sarcasm emoticon after the phrase fat phobic body shamer. Stupid at any size? Are you describing yourself? Because you must be if you think your disingenuous BS will go unnoticed. In case you're not aware, fat shaming is one of the last societally acceptable prejudices. It does great damage to women in particular, and girls, who are encouraged by the media to strive for the unrealistic bodies that models and actresses have (And actually they don't; most pictures are air brushed). Although men are not immune, like Chris Christie. There's plenty about his record to criticize without resorting to fat bashing.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
6. I never implied anything. Your own prejudices are coloring your interpretation of my words.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:20 PM
Apr 2015

"Healthy at every size" wackos come in every size, fittingly enough. I'm mocking the damaging attitudes of "Fuckitall, fat is fine, etc, etc..." that is contributing to this country's weight problem and killing people. Are fat people hurt by criticism? Sure. What hurts them more are their hardening arteries, diabetes, and rocketing blood pressure. Idiots who act like being at is okay (or in some cases, even healthier ) come in all shapes and sizes. If you want to assume I'm only talking about fat people, then you need to take a good hard look at your own projection and prejudice.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
9. Then why use the phrase fat phobic body shamer (sarcasm)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:40 PM
Apr 2015

If you weren't singling out fat people among the healthy at any size crowd? Do you have similar concerns for the health of smokers, whose bad habit actually affects other people's health with second hand smoke which can cause cancer in non smokers? My fat, on the other hand, won't give you a heart attack. And if I die younger than 91 because I'm fat that's my problem not yours. Furthermore, people who are not fat still can have diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol (my rail thin supervisor has the latter). Frankly I have a much more insidious and troublesome health problem than being obese, although it contributes to the obesity, since when I went off my meds recently my appetite lessened substantially. But that's getting off track. The point is, you DID fat shame numerous times in your posts, despite your word games trying to deny it. And as far as I'm concerned you can jump off a pier.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
12. You are clearly looking for a reason to be offended.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:58 PM
Apr 2015

I'm sorry that you seem to think the only people out there who cry "Body-shaming!" and "Fat-Phobia!" are fat people. If you can copy and paste the exact sentence where I mentioned fat people and mocked them specifically, I'll gladly apologize. Not even joking, I'll be glad to. Until then, go pick your nose if you want to play a game of "gotcha!"

For all the concern you have over damaging people with words, your own concern for a stranger who may have mental health issues which are unknown to you is reflected beautifully in your "Jump off a pier" bit. Sort of ironic, no?

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
13. Who is affected by fat shaming
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:18 AM
Apr 2015

Other than fat people? Really, the logic is not difficult to understand. And you used the phrase fuckitall fat is fine that is contributing to the country's weight problem. Without understanding that the term fat can span easily 200 pounds and a variety of health situations. Personally up until my unrelated illness got out of control more than a year ago my blood pressure and cholesterol were fine and at the gym I worked out regularly and even maxed out on the abductor or adductor, the one you press your thighs together on. That's 300 pounds, more than the men my trainer worked with did. There are many other fat people who are cyclists or do Zumba or work out regularly who have healthy numbers. You're cramming us all into one category and yes that is PREJUDICE.

As for the jump off a pier remark, if I truly thought you were suicidally inclined and this remark would push you over the edge then I would apologize. But I suspect it's just more of your word games.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
10. BTDT with the childhood weight watchers thing
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:46 PM
Apr 2015

My mom sent me too. It's a good thing we were poor with no fat camp around here or I'd have gone to that too.

Starting when I was 4 my mother made comments about my fatness (I was never actually 'fat' until I had my first child at age 22 and then was diagnosed with PCOS...as a child and teen I was very athletic and muscular, played many sports but not slender and slight like my mother so...I was fat to her and must be reminded of it constantly lest I forget and have a dessert or something.)

Anyhow, I get it. And I agree with everything you've said in this thread, especially about that poster you are replying to.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
11. Thank you for that
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:53 PM
Apr 2015

I presume the poster I'm objecting to is a male. They just don't understand the intense societal pressure women and girls are under to be thin. Yes, fat boys get teased, but they also get roles on Saturday Night Live, whereas it took nearly 40 years for a fat woman to become a regular cast member on it.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
15. Yikes
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:42 AM
Apr 2015

I have no memory of my mom preparing any of these for me. OTOH I became a vegetarian the summer after I went to fat camp. I think Ma had dropped weight watchers by then.

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