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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:34 PM Apr 2015

Would it be fair to compare Hillary's

candidacy to the prior choice of Sarah Palin for VP by John McCain?



(No, I'm not serious; I'm just posting this as sarcasm, mimicking another OP, to illustrate a devious, transparent attempt to use a negative association propaganda device, ie comparing a present candidate to a former candidate who did not win).
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Bernie supporters are lucky; we can be completely transparent, and don't need to resort to underhanded tactics in promoting Bernie's candidacy, because everything about his candidacy is 100% positive.

We are completely free to let the facts speak for themselves. These facts should be enough to convince anyone that he is a stellar Democratic candidate.

Best of luck to Secretary Clinton. She's a great candidate also, a candidate who really doesn't need a negative propaganda campaign to promote her candidacy.

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Would it be fair to compare Hillary's (Original Post) Zorra Apr 2015 OP
uh wut?? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #1
No, do you have a link to a site with betting odds? morningfog Apr 2015 #2
Yes I do...more than one in fact... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #3
I assume they are all from the present, right? morningfog Apr 2015 #6
Yes...one is a site that continuously updates polls... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #10
Has it occurred to you... catnhatnh Apr 2015 #8
Has it occurred to YOU...that the public has KNOWN more about that candidate than just her name? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #11
90 Days N/T catnhatnh Apr 2015 #12
OMG... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #13
It's a good sign when your candidates opponents supporters Zorra Apr 2015 #21
right. that is surely what is happening. two years of people trashing clinton, i guess per you... seabeyond Apr 2015 #23
sanders has had overwhelming support jumping into the race. most everyone appreciates him seabeyond Apr 2015 #4
I do have to wonder if you would dare suggest that say a Hispanic's candidacy dsc Apr 2015 #5
and palin. really. bullshit. i am a sander supporter at this point and have to sit here and seabeyond Apr 2015 #7
Just illustrating how the negative association propaganda device is used. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #17
some,... media and others will connect sanders and kucinich. that is not a stretch. i do not seabeyond Apr 2015 #18
Is there some sort of sale on straw? NuclearDem Apr 2015 #9
Nah. Wrong. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #14
Thank you for making my point. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #16
This Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #24
It seems the Kucinich and Sanders candidacies are very similar, and headed on the same trajectory. tritsofme Apr 2015 #15
You say you are serious, but c'mon now KMOD Apr 2015 #19
??? zappaman Apr 2015 #20
oh, noes. i like .... dafug. lol. i love. i might be stuck with that one too. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #22
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
3. Yes I do...more than one in fact...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:41 PM
Apr 2015

all show the same thing....

I also have links to sites with poll after poll showing the same thing too!


they are all in cahoots though right? Hillary bought them all off right?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
10. Yes...one is a site that continuously updates polls...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:51 PM
Apr 2015

they have consistently said the same thing...

The betting sites....those are the ones predicting the future! That is what odds setting is....you know that right?

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
8. Has it occurred to you...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:49 PM
Apr 2015

that A.Polls strongly reflect name recognition.
B.Hillary has been running for nearly 8 years.
C.Bernie has been running -1 days

Give it 90 days and THEN let's look at polls...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
11. Has it occurred to YOU...that the public has KNOWN more about that candidate than just her name?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:52 PM
Apr 2015

its called her record....

Bernie has been in the public eye for quite some time as well.....

currently Bernie has 0 odds....Hillary...77%

Even for Bernie...that is a snowballs chance in hell...

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
21. It's a good sign when your candidates opponents supporters
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:16 PM
Apr 2015

resort to negative campaigning before your candidate has even announced.

Desperate defensiveness against what they believe to be a significant threat to their candidate's possibilities of winning is clear. If they believed that it was true that Bernie had no chance of winning, they wouldn't be getting so freaked out over his almost candidacy.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. right. that is surely what is happening. two years of people trashing clinton, i guess per you...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:20 PM
Apr 2015

clinton is a shoe in.

freaked out? a simple question is a freak out?

what is this that some are trying to fabricate here? why?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
4. sanders has had overwhelming support jumping into the race. most everyone appreciates him
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:43 PM
Apr 2015

clinton has had an amazing amount of trash dumped on her. much of it inaccurate and just plain stupid.

for sander supporter to portray he is being unfairly picked on is a fail.

but, like in all democratic primaries, there will be people questioning both, legitimately. there is no reason to expect that both candidates wont be challenged on their elect-ability, beliefs or any number of legitimate issues.

people are not gonna treat sanders with kids glove, nor does sanders need us to.

and you are right. sanders has a good record.

clinton does not have nearly the right record that a LOT on du like to project.

dsc

(52,169 posts)
5. I do have to wonder if you would dare suggest that say a Hispanic's candidacy
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:44 PM
Apr 2015

was equivalent to Rubio's or an African American's was to Carson's. Somehow I doubt it but when it comes to women they are all just the same.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. and palin. really. bullshit. i am a sander supporter at this point and have to sit here and
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:48 PM
Apr 2015

defend hillary and hillary supporter. who fuggin' knew.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
18. some,... media and others will connect sanders and kucinich. that is not a stretch. i do not
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:11 PM
Apr 2015

think it is accurate, hence my comment in that thread. but there is absolutely no reason someone cannot discuss about those too candidates social perception.

the first thing my 17 yr old said was.... he is a socialist. no way he would win.

we have discussed it since and he appears to be learning about sanders, looking for a candidate to get behind.

if i had gotten on the kids ass for daring to say something negative about sanders, instead of an informed discussion, he might not be open to sanders now, and excited about the race.

NOTHING comparable to a republican, teabagging, inarticulate and unaccomplished palin.

one was an appropriate question

one was just an ugly attack

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
9. Is there some sort of sale on straw?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:49 PM
Apr 2015

You seem to be confusing "underhanded tactics" with completely legitimate questions about his viability as a general election candidate.

If Sanders supporters can't handle a few frank questions anyone would ask of any candidate without throwing a massive tantrum like we've seen tonight, then maybe the problem isn't with the other candidates' supporters.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
24. This
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:25 PM
Apr 2015

If Sanders supporters can't handle a few frank questions anyone would ask of any candidate without throwing a massive tantrum like we've seen tonight, then maybe the problem isn't with the other candidates' supporters.


No kidding.

tritsofme

(17,417 posts)
15. It seems the Kucinich and Sanders candidacies are very similar, and headed on the same trajectory.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:02 PM
Apr 2015

Looks like the same cast of characters on DU, and like Kucinich his support is virtually nonexistent in the real world.

It's fine to support a hopeless candidate to make a statement, but I don't understand how anyone can sincerely believe that Sanders chances are any better than Kucinich.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
19. You say you are serious, but c'mon now
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:15 PM
Apr 2015

comparing Bernie and Kucinich, both of whom are wonderful progressive liberals,

is a whole lot different to comparing HRC to Palin.

Night and day different.

The HRC to Palin connect would make sense if you were disputing a Bernie/Rand Paul comparison.

But that crap, thankfully, isn't happening.

I love Bernie Sanders, but at the moment I'm am supporting Hillary Clinton.

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