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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:01 AM Apr 2015

Rescuing babies and ignoring surrogates in Nepal: Israel's callousness is a global shame

One thing a disaster like an earthquake can bring out is our sense of shared humanity - from a sand sculpture in Puri to a candlelight vigil in South China. India’s swift and expansive response was like extending a “blank cheque” said a grateful Nepal.
The picture of the week according to Israeli media was one in which "a newborn baby, wrapped in a woolen blanket and in a piece of blue-and-white cloth, snuggles in the strong arms of an Israel Defense Forces soldier in a pressed uniform."

But don’t for a moment be fooled into thinking it means “We are all Nepali” now. That heart-warming Israeli picture does not tell the full story.


The Israel government has just made it clear that all this “shared humanity” stops at the aircraft door.

Debra Kamin reports for Time that an Israeli Boeing 747 flew back to Ben Gurion International Airport carrying 15 Israeli babies all born to surrogate mothers in Nepal.
None of the surrogate mothers were allowed to travel.

Their womb-for-hire contract has no natural disaster exceptions.


http://www.firstpost.com/world/rescuing-babies-ignoring-surrogates-nepal-israels-callousness-global-shame-2220288.html

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Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
1. This part is interesting...
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:20 AM
Apr 2015
It’s the reality of a poor country, which makes it a destination not just for admiring tourists but also those from wealthier nations shopping for a surrogacy deal. Time says the same surrogacy that costs $150,000 in the USA or Canada costs $30,000 in Nepal. $30,000 is a lot of money in South Asia but when push comes to quake, all the money cannot buy you room on that Boeing 747.

To add to the complexity of it all, many of the prospective Israeli parents are gay. Israel does not allow same-sex couples to enter into a surrogacy agreement with an Israeli woman in Israel forcing them to look outside its borders.

Many of them used to go for surrogacy in India until the Indian government decided to prevent gay men from engaging surrogate mothers. According to Haaretz Nepal permits the procedure as long as the surrogate mother is not Nepalese.

That’s why many of the surrogate mothers in Nepal are actually Indian. It all seemed like a perfect market-driven globalized solution for a knotty social problem until a 7.9 earthquake cracks open the legal complications within it.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. I remember VICE recently had a report on India surrogates on HBO recently
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:44 AM
Apr 2015

There was a woman organize embryo business, I think the promise in the hundreds of thousands but instances where they weren't paid the full amount. They talked freely to the cameras & journalists however over in another part of India there was one promising a low amount right off the bat & seemed incredibly shady with the telling the cameras to go away & didn't want to talk at all.

There was an undercover journalist trying to uncover how it works was at a dinner suggested she liked that baby so she wanted to find out more as a buyer, they offered to sell that baby to her right on the spot -- essentially human trafficking. I think India's wealth disparities are well-documented, Nepal is one of the poorest countries in the world. As I noted down-thread, KBR & Halluburton have been human trafficking slave labor from Nepal for over decade in addition to Asia's & Africa's poor. Really saddening the dire situations that exist that instead of putting humanitarian efforts (I'm sure the US will give a little something for earthquake relief) instead see an opportunity to exploit & abuse in addition to the this surrogate economy.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. India also has a *very* convoluted set of legal constructs about surrogacy
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:52 AM
Apr 2015

There's actually a cohort of stateless babies stuck in orphanages in India because of that.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. KBR & Halluburton have been human trafficking many poor Nepalese for over a decade
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:35 AM
Apr 2015

along with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, & Kuwait whose economies are built off the backs of imported labor. I've been so glad I watch Newshour for coverage on this & these days I wonder how my Nepalese friend is doing & where he is these days

I've posted about him on DU

Anyways his dream was to come to America and he would constantly ask questions about here. For those two months I was there were only handled two meals(Midnight and Breakfast) so we had a lot of down time to talk. I even looked online for him on information on how to immigrate but I couldn't find information relevant to his case. I found info like must be highly skilled in an area for example like playing sports or highly skilled scientist. Things like that. I found information on immigration for Iraqis or Afghan people that helped US forces but that didn't apply because he is from Nepal. I felt sad but then I think of some of the people here like teabaggers then I think it might not be so bad. I think about him a lot and I do hope he's made his way to the US. He would make an excellent civilian as well as many TCN's who work their ass off for little pay.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4322511

The thing I remember well is when looking up how to immigrate to the US, it would have been possible if he was from India but since he was from Nepal it wasn't allowed, can't remember exactly the terms but since he was labor through subcontractor of a subcontractor of KBR during the war but it is despicable overall the way the Department & Defense exploits & abuses Asia's & Africa's poor especially the Halliburtons & KBRs.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. I know what the story is about
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:26 AM
Apr 2015

but the recent quakes in Nepal & the image of the week as a connection to the poor people of Nepal it was something that was on my mind recently. With the poverty, I can't imagine it isn't only Indian surrogates especially with the unique laws but with everything happening & the overall treatment from our own Department of Defense I feel strongly about it who also human traffics India's poor too I felt it was appropriate to add my thoughts here . The countries are right next too each other so an Indian could easily pass off as Nepalese, if I'm not mistaken Nepal is ruled by a Hindu monarchy.

On edit -- I have been thinking a lot of where he is & how he has been affected by this tragedy, mothers trying to pick up the rubble to find their children underneath the rubble. It is a horrific situation, I can't help but mention it.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
7. This is an insane vilification of the Jews. Perhaps the Israelis
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:49 AM
Apr 2015

were under the same moral obligation to fly as many victims as possible to Israel? Is that it? My! Mr Roy has some imagination.

And this by a man hailing from a country where women are gang-raped, murdered and then vilified by their killers - with seemingly scant effective remedial action taken by their legislature.


Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
9. Time magazine:"Israel Evacuates Surrogate Babies From Nepal but Leaves the Mothers Behind
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:54 AM
Apr 2015

An Israeli Boeing-747 returned from Nepal to Israel’s Ben Gurion International Airport on Tuesday afternoon, and among its 229 passengers were 15 Israeli babies, all born within the past six weeks to surrogate mothers in Nepal.

Some of the babies were with their Israeli parents and others were cared for by Israeli passengers. None of the surrogate mothers were allowed to travel.

The infants’ arrival completed the evacuation of 26 surrogate Israeli babies from Nepal, where a devastating earthquake on Saturday killed more than 4,000. The rescue process, coupled with widely published photos of the newborns being cradled by Israeli medics on the Tel Aviv tarmac, has thrust Israel’s reliance on Nepalese surrogates into the spotlight, revealing a little known link between Nepal and Israel and starting a debate here about the ethics of international surrogacy.


The future of Israeli surrogacy in Nepal remains up in the air. “The main concern right now is lack of clean water and things like that,” said Dana Magdassi, founder of Israel’s Lotus Surrogacy Agency. “I’m not going to send someone in for treatment right now, but in one or two months, I think we can definitely reconsider.”

http://time.com/3838319/israel-nepal-surrogates/

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
10. This seems like it's just an opportunity to bash Israel.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:57 AM
Apr 2015

Was there ever an agreement that the surrogate mothers were going to be brought to Israel? If not, then this is another made-up opportunity to bash the Jewish state. If you think that anti-Semitism isn't at least part of the motivation for this story, you're not keeping up with the propaganda machine.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
12. see post 9 on time magazine take on the story
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:05 AM
Apr 2015

and their links to Israeli newspapers on this.

Oh ........ any criticism of Israeli is anti antisemitism.......... that's a crap argument.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
13. I never said that.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:21 AM
Apr 2015

A great deal of criticism of Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism, though, and you know it as well as I do.

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