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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSome pundits on & off DU have already decided Sanders can't win
Interesting. Everybody here (I presume) wants an alternative to Centrist Dems but as soon as one arises .... they to defeatism before the race has even begun.
If Sanders is to win, people need to work for him to win. Not whine that he can't.
If Sanders is to win, people need to vote for him to win.
But instead, the day he announces it's already: "he'll never win".
Just in case someone wants to make this about me (and I'm sure someone will) - I intend to vote for whoever the Dem nominee is. Sanders is more to my ideological liking. But I WILL vote for and support Clinton if she's nominated. I will vote and I will vote DEM.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)They will skew the poll numbers.
They will force her to make specific statements beyond her tweets and avatar design changes.
And, in the end, they might just take the thing away from her.
Thank gawd with have primaries.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)her on the tpp very much is one of mine. i saw your post, you do not trust her. i certainly get that. and it seems she held this opinion well before sanders declared for the primary. but still, i expect a whole lot more of this. i am excited.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)"I will vote for the Democratic nominee." Shouldn't that be assumed? If someone wants to say otherwise, that's their prerogative.
The "he can't win" is usually from the, I'll say middle, of the Democratic party. I know he will win
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)declare that. and yes, to those not wanting the dem party split and a win in 2016, i think that it is good for people to say.... for a minute, to wipe out the meme created not but a couple weeks ago and beyond. allow a confidence that it was just a few, and not a concerted effort. i am always for distilling falsehoods.
FSogol
(45,555 posts)now he is in the race and has the opportunity to make his case. Whether he can win or not, depends on how he campaigns, how he reacts to the crap thrown at him, and whether he can generate excitement across the country.
His campaign begins today and won't be hindered by whether some DUers or pundits think he can win. It is up to him. The "winning" issue is just one of many things he needs to tackle.
Triana
(22,666 posts)His winning or not (esp if he is the nominee) is something WE also need to tackle.
FSogol
(45,555 posts)and will pay attention to what he says and how he does.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I will vote for Sanders if he wins the nomination too, but it's going to be tough.
Of course, Jimmy Carter won. Much of it was due to his carrying his own garment bag, and abandoning the rather right wing beliefs he espoused when running for Governor in Georgia.
He should make the debates interesting.
Triana
(22,666 posts)I don't mean voter fraud, I mean ELECTION fraud - the kind that got GWB appointed King by his friends. And the kind that gerrymanders, guts the voting rights act, re-instates various versions of the poll tax, lets the Koch Brothers buy their own government, and other election shenanigans.
I'd have bet that GWB wouldn't win. And actually, he didn't. But he still was appointed President.
I won't bet on anything in this effed-up country. We're too far gone.
Joe Nation
(963 posts)Is Bernie raising the millions of dollars he'll need to beat the Republicans? Did Bernie put together an exploratory committee before he announced his intent to run? Did Bernie do anything that would propel him towards the highest office in the land before he made his announcement? No, not so much so if even Bernie doesn't take his candidacy seriously, why should the rest of us? I love Bernie, I love his positions on the issues but he is really just a protest candidate.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Never saw that 'rule' before.
And we decry that Clinton and others need or have so much money to win. Yet we refuse to support anyone who doesn't have that kind of money but who is on our side of the issues. And then, we expect change. Interesting.
But I did find this from you: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251405226
I see your position.
Joe Nation
(963 posts)Listen, I love Bernie but he'll never be president. Hillary has the broadest experiences and is going to be the nominee. Instead of supporting candidates that will never see the inside of the Oval Office unless they take the White House tour, how about supporting a viable third party? Make your efforts count for something instead of casting a protest vote for a protest candidate. Don't make the good the enemy of the perfect.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Support your favorite candidate. If you have one, of course.
Orrex
(63,234 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)The ones who wanted an alternative are not, IMHO, the same ones saying Sanders can't win. Maybe I'm wrong. The ones posting that he can't win, IMHO, already have another preferred candidate and are just doing what they can to improve the chances for that one. Although I can't imagine anything on DU actually moving the polls a gnat's hair in any direction.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)for his hair and said no one would take him seriously until he takes care of his grooming. What's next? His hips are too wide?
And this guy, whose name I can't remember, is supposed to be on our side.
Triana
(22,666 posts)They ought to be lambasted into the darkest corners of Hell and shut off.
Seriously.
I could give a rat's ass about Bernie's hair or Hillary's wardrobe or anything else about their appearance.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Every candidate gets viability questions asked of them.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I am not sure what you are looking for here. If I believe someone has a great chance, a fair chance or a poor chance should I not post that? People have been opining on Hillary and her chances and her positions for the last couple of years. Are you going to go back and do an advanced search on those posts and complain to those people?
Triana
(22,666 posts)Whether one is for/against Hillary or for/against Sanders - less damn defeatism.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)How many people would say a septuagenarian self-proclaimed Socialist from the Northeast who resembles Michael Foot in a suit and who refuses to take corporate donations would be a paragon of electability in today's society with an ascendant Tea Party, 24hr image-obssessed infotainment and Citizens United?
Anyone?
Triana
(22,666 posts)I generally don't count age, apparel/fashion in my own decisions. So I can't really answer that question.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)It's the other hundred-odd million we have to worry about. A quick scan of any mass media will show that such concerns are hardly rare unfortunately.