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today marks 40 years since our failure in Vietnam. (Original Post) yorgatron Apr 2015 OP
And, the dominoes didn't fall after all. 3 million dead for nothing. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #1
Well, Vietnam did embark on some military adventurism in the area... malthaussen Apr 2015 #2
the dulles brothers legacy. nitwits. pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #3
Don't forget what those idiots did to Iraq. (nm) Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #4
Economically, we won 1939 Apr 2015 #5
Same class of people makes money off wars without end against Al Qaeda, ISIS, the Putin. Octafish May 2015 #6
one might think 100% of DU regards the VN war as a tragic mistake steve2470 May 2015 #7
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
1. And, the dominoes didn't fall after all. 3 million dead for nothing.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:49 PM
Apr 2015

But, we keep trying to "help" with weapons, troops, drones, torture, and lots of money.

malthaussen

(17,219 posts)
2. Well, Vietnam did embark on some military adventurism in the area...
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:58 PM
Apr 2015

... but the war did demonstrate the barrenness of the Containment policy. Although since the dominoes did not fall, the old Cold Warriors could argue that the policy saved the region (insert guffaws here).

-- Mal

1939

(1,683 posts)
5. Economically, we won
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:45 PM
Apr 2015

We left behind in Vietnam a dedicated cadre of free market "black marketeers" and after 20 years of them running rings around the doctrinaire communists from Hanoi, the government just decided to be socialist on the major businesses and let everything else be free market. All of a sudden there were no shortages and you didn't have to take toilet paper, soap, and shampoo with you went you went for a visit. Free enterprise is all over the places with thousands of little mom and pop businesses.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. Same class of people makes money off wars without end against Al Qaeda, ISIS, the Putin.
Fri May 8, 2015, 11:25 AM
May 2015

Halliburton has a reputation for being in the forefront of the privatized warmaking business, thanks to Sneering Dick Cheney and Poppy Bush.



Cheney's Multi-Million Dollar Revolving Door

News: As Bush Sr.'s secretary of defense, Dick Cheney steered millions of dollars in government business to a private military contractor -- whose parent company just happened to give him a high-paying job after he left the government.

By Robert Bryce
Mother Jones
August 2, 2000

EXCERPT...

In 1992, the Pentagon, then under Cheney's direction, paid Texas-based Brown & Root Services $3.9 million to produce a classified report detailing how private companies -- like itself -- could help provide logistics for American troops in potential war zones around the world. BRS specializes in such work; from 1962 to 1972, for instance, the company worked in the former South Vietnam building roads, landing strips, harbors, and military bases. Later in 1992, the Pentagon gave the company an additional $5 million to update its report. That same year, BRS won a massive, five-year logistics contract from the US Army Corps of Engineers to work alongside American GIs in places like Zaire, Haiti, Somalia, Kosovo, the Balkans, and Saudi Arabia.

After Bill Clinton's election cost Cheney his government job, he wound up in 1995 as CEO of Halliburton Company, the Dallas-based oil services giant -- which just happens to own Brown & Root Services. Since then, Cheney has collected more than $10 million in salary and stock payments from the company. In addition, he is currently the company's largest individual shareholder, holding stock and options worth another $40 million. Those holdings have undoubtedly been made more valuable by the ever-more lucrative contracts BRS continues to score with the Pentagon.

Between 1992 and 1999, the Pentagon paid BRS more than $1.2 billion for its work in trouble spots around the globe. In May of 1999, the US Army Corps of Engineers re-enlisted the company's help in the Balkans, giving it a new five-year contract worth $731 million.

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2000/08/cheney.html



Kellogg, Brown and Root, Halliburton's parent company, helped make Vietnam into a money maker for a certain Texas politician who, uh, was fooled into war when the NSA and CIA lied about the Gulf of Tonkin.



Halliburton Deals Recall Vietnam-Era Controversy

Cheney's Ties to Company Reminiscent of LBJ's Relationships

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483



I wonder if President Kennedy would have seen war as a form of welfare for the wealthy? I do know after the Bay of Pigs thing he could see right through the warmongers:

JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL

What's news to most Americans, President Kennedy had opposed war in Vietnam and ordered the withdrawal of U.S. troops. About a week after the assassination, President Johnson countermanded those orders. Here are links to NSAM 263 and NSAM 273 so readers can see for themselves.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
7. one might think 100% of DU regards the VN war as a tragic mistake
Fri May 8, 2015, 11:52 AM
May 2015

One might be mistaken. I know this for a fact.

Treaty was NOT applicable to South Vietnam, imho. YMMV.

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