To me it is funny how Bernie supporters tell the truth and facts about Hillary in an effort to bolster their people. But not the other way around.

Neither side takes the other serious.
We all have our opinions and observations.

That's kind of the core of a discussion board, isn't it?

Hillary to support Bernie is not discussion.

Or are you just trying to derail this thread?

May come on hard. Chuck toad asked him about it

Be prepared. Bernie was talking about gender roles etc back when. I've read worse on fan fiction.

in this country are very powerful. No one else sounds like him or says the things he is saying. People are tired of bullshit and the truth is like a long drink of fresh, cold spring water on a hot and muggy day. His message isn't tailored by focus group research,

I have no doubt that Bernie can generate mass popularity largely by word-of-mouth.

well said - I saw nothing wrong with the stated observations in the post...

Probably used to describe Palin also

I think there will be a good number of Dems who won't show up. Sanders will bring in a lot of voters to the polls who had given up and stopped voting, or are new voters. And I think he'll do better with x-over Rs, and Independants as well.

Clinton will energize and depress the wrong parties. The Republicans will come out in droves to "beat Clinton" even if they hate their own nominee (and trust me, they will.) On the other hand, there's a significant portion of Democrats who will simply opt to not show up - and it's not just those "evil awful leftists" who are dissatisfied with her, but also the pro-Clinton people who live in a private universe where her win is guaranteed.

Now people can argue all day about how wrong-headed it is to "protest" by skipping a vote. but it doesn't matter, people will do it anyway. And the issue isn't "how DARE you be dissatisfied?!" as many try to roll with, it's an issue of the candidate actually being dissatisfying to the voters in question.

If you don't offer them something they will just stay home...that is the only vote they have other than the lesser of two evils...it is a vote of no confidence.

here in 2016.

Urban Dems turn out for presidential elections, and Feingold is likely to bring dem voters off the sideline.

Walker is well known here and it's likely he'll have a place on the GOP ticket. That's going to motivate the anti-Walker voters, and the consequences of FitzWalker governance is going to be even more obvious.

I think the Dem turnout will be at least 5% larger than we saw across the Walker recall and re-election. It could be bigger that.

That the democrats going with the "money candidate" cost the election vs. Walker. I admit i'm not familiar, do you have any take on that?

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Urban dems have low turnout in our off-year gubernatorial elections, so it's somewhat fair to say the non-urban dems weren't impressed by the establishment candidate Burke.

Urban dems in WI also don't turn out strong for the primary. That's going to mean non-Milwaukee dems are likely going to be rather more important in the primary. That combination could make the hurdle for HRC in the primary higher.

Nonetheless, things are going to happen in 2016 that will lift dem turnout in the general.

If she ends up the nominee...

Our home will not give money...we will not buy her stuff...and there will be no work in an office of hers or a Dem location.

We had said we would probably hold our nose and vote for her.

The last couple weeks, we are considering...not voting if it's her. It will be a gut wrenching decision but she will not be our choice.

vote for her.

Just take California for example and the race between Jerry Brown and Meg Whitman.

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Unlike any other Democratic Senator ever.

state where they stand on the issues I wont rubber stamp them with my vote. Bernie Sanders is my clear front runner.

The party is not in tune with the base and is counting on the lead candidates personality and popularity to win.
Sanders is defining the platform that is appealing to many voters.

If she wins, no pressure on Wall St. reform. No pressure for tax reform. TPP is in the bag and bugger everyone else.
Maybe a new war or two or continuation of the ongoing wars in Afghan and the drones.

If she is the candidate, I will vote for her, considering the alternative.

But, same as I did for Obama, no contributions, no phone bank work. No tee shirt - I was offered a free Obama tee and turned it down. No bumper sticker.

If Bernie gets the nomination, I'm in 100% and 212 pounds behind him.

and he seemed a lot more animated and interesting than he did on the weekend closest to his announcement to run. I thought he was rather lackluster then, good to see that he's kicked it up a notch or two.