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catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:19 PM May 2015

Sanders voted for cloture and O'Malley against....

Last edited Sun May 31, 2015, 11:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Hillary will not have a position to defend-as usual.

There will be posts much more well-written here on what this means but I will tell you this-it is much more politically expedient to be among the dozen or so who voted against cloture than to vote for it knowing opponents will try to hang it around your neck as "endorsing spying on Americans".

I really think that in addition to a list telling HOW a senator voted on any given bill it would be more informative to tell WHEN the vote was given-the first to vote on a bill has shown their colors while those who waited until the decision was made, (in this case after 60 yeas was reached) could then easily vote however appeared to give advantage.

On Edit-Of course O'Malley didn't vote-this was stated as a fact in an earlier post and I foolishly bit. It does not change my point that knowing WHEN someone voted on a bill could be important in revealing character.

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Sanders voted for cloture and O'Malley against.... (Original Post) catnhatnh May 2015 OP
cloture on what bill? JDPriestly May 2015 #1
The Freedom Act MohRokTah May 2015 #2
And That is a Lie... catnhatnh May 2015 #4
. MohRokTah May 2015 #6
Sorry... catnhatnh May 2015 #3
So Sanders voted to keep the Patriot Act provisions in place. RandySF May 2015 #5
Precisely.From here 51 votes is a slam dunk. MohRokTah May 2015 #7
Couldn't be more odious than the Patriot Act. JDPriestly May 2015 #9
Sure it can. MohRokTah May 2015 #11
No-you are mistaken for 2 reasons... catnhatnh May 2015 #8
So fill us in on the Freedom Act. RandySF May 2015 #10
Here you go from Wikipedia. JDPriestly May 2015 #12
I'll admit I don't know the differences catnhatnh May 2015 #14
So with no cloture, the USA PATRIOT Act would be dead forever. MohRokTah May 2015 #13
WTH are you talking about? O'Malley is not a Senator. scarletwoman May 2015 #15
thank you AtomicKitten May 2015 #16
You are right and I am sorry.... catnhatnh May 2015 #18
I'm sorry you got fooled by that satirical post. scarletwoman May 2015 #19
Here are the actual facts. TM99 May 2015 #17
I will also apologize to you catnhatnh May 2015 #20
No need for an apology to me. TM99 Jun 2015 #22
Can I suggest that you make your post an OP? Gregorian Jun 2015 #21

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
4. And That is a Lie...
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:24 PM
May 2015

it relates to the Patriot act but is a version with changes as this poster well knows from prior postings.

RandySF

(59,813 posts)
5. So Sanders voted to keep the Patriot Act provisions in place.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:25 PM
May 2015

Because that is the end result of a successful cloture vote.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
7. Precisely.From here 51 votes is a slam dunk.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:27 PM
May 2015

I expect it to be more odious than the original Patriot Act.

But no problems.

Saint Bernie gets a pass here, unlike the Democrats who caved into the security state and voted to spy on Grandma's iphone.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. Couldn't be more odious than the Patriot Act.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:30 PM
May 2015

Here is Wikipedia on it.

The USA Freedom Act is a bill originally introduced in both houses of the U.S. Congress on October 29, 2013. The title of the act is a ten-letter backronym (USA FREEDOM) that stands for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Fulfilling Rights and Ending Eavesdropping, Dragnet-collection and Online Monitoring Act."

The bill was re-introduced in the 114th Congress, receiving support for acting as "a balanced approach"[3] while being questioned for amendments and extending the Patriot Act through the end of 2019.[4] Supporters of the bill say the most the House Intelligence Committee and House leadership[5] would allow is ending bulk collection under Section 215 of the Patriot Act[6] until Section 702 of FISA comes up for review at the end of 2017. Critics assert that mass surveillance of the content of Americans' communication will continue under Section 702 of FISA[7][8] and Executive Order 12333[7][9] due to the "unstoppable surveillance-industrial complex"[10] despite the fact that a bipartisan majority of the House had previously voted to close backdoor mass surveillance.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act

This is an improvement on the Patriot Act. We face an "unstoppable surveillance-industrial complex." We shall see how Bernie votes on the bill.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
8. No-you are mistaken for 2 reasons...
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:27 PM
May 2015

The Patriot Act has sunset tonight. The Freedom act is different. And a vote FOR closure is obviously not a vote on the bill...

RandySF

(59,813 posts)
10. So fill us in on the Freedom Act.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:30 PM
May 2015

Which, I believe you said, is a watered down version of the Patriot Act.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
12. Here you go from Wikipedia.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:31 PM
May 2015

The USA Freedom Act is a bill originally introduced in both houses of the U.S. Congress on October 29, 2013. The title of the act is a ten-letter backronym (USA FREEDOM) that stands for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Fulfilling Rights and Ending Eavesdropping, Dragnet-collection and Online Monitoring Act."

The bill was re-introduced in the 114th Congress, receiving support for acting as "a balanced approach"[3] while being questioned for amendments and extending the Patriot Act through the end of 2019.[4] Supporters of the bill say the most the House Intelligence Committee and House leadership[5] would allow is ending bulk collection under Section 215 of the Patriot Act[6] until Section 702 of FISA comes up for review at the end of 2017. Critics assert that mass surveillance of the content of Americans' communication will continue under Section 702 of FISA[7][8] and Executive Order 12333[7][9] due to the "unstoppable surveillance-industrial complex"[10] despite the fact that a bipartisan majority of the House had previously voted to close backdoor mass surveillance.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
13. So with no cloture, the USA PATRIOT Act would be dead forever.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:32 PM
May 2015

But NO, now the USA FREEDOM Act resurrects it.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
15. WTH are you talking about? O'Malley is not a Senator.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:38 PM
May 2015

This is ridiculous! You don't know what you're talking about.

BTW, The 17 Senators who voted against cloture were all Republicans.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
18. You are right and I am sorry....
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:44 PM
May 2015

this came from a satirical reply in a previous thread and I bit-big time. I saw a reply that stated O'Malley was a nay and never even gave it proper thought. I could edit but when I make a big stupid I at least refuse to hide my dumb....Mea culpa. Other than that how am I doing?

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
19. I'm sorry you got fooled by that satirical post.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:50 PM
May 2015

And I think it would be perfectly fine if you wanted to add a footnote to your OP explaining that. It might help others not bite on incorrect information.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
17. Here are the actual facts.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:42 PM
May 2015
http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/martin-omalley-rand-pauls-patriot-act-moves-could-make-ameri#.tjznnZQWNd

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/martin-omalley-cites-executive-experience-comparison-obama/story?id=31426353

On other issues of foreign policy, O'Malley stayed fairly moderate. He said he was in favor of the USA Freedom Act passed in the House, which would overhaul NSA's controversial phone surveillance and metadata collection program while extending other provisions of the Patriot Act. The bill failed in the Senate last week, as did a straight extension of the Patriot Act. As such, key provisions of the Patriot Act are set to expire tonight.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-endorses-nsa-reform-bill

“Congress should move ahead now with the USA Freedom Act — a good step forward in ongoing efforts to protect our security & civil liberties,” Clinton wrote on Twitter Thursday.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/05/31/bernie_sanders_on_usa_freedom_act_i_may_well_be_voting_for_it_does_not_go_far_enough.html

CHUCK TODD: I know you're going to be flying back form Minneapolis to Washington for this Special Senate Session. The PATRIOT Act, the NSA, section 215, I assume you are a supporter of the USA Freedom Act. Are you?

BERNIE SANDERS: I may well be voting for it. It does not go as far as I would like it to go. I voted against the original PATRIOT Act and against the re-authorization of the PATRIOT Act.

We have got to be vigorous about defending the American people and we have to do it in a way that protects their Constitutional rights, and I am very very worried, what we are seeing not only from not only the NSA and the government, but from corporate America...

Privacy rights, it is a huge issue. I am not comfortable with it, but we have to look at the best of bad situations.


Sanders is the only one who appears not fully decided. He recognizes the need for compromise (something the pragmatic woodchucks here constantly say idealistic BernieBots are lacking in!) and may vote for the Freedom Act.

All he has done thus far is vote for cloture so that debate ends and we move forward with the next step.

To watch all of the lies, bullshit, and spin here about this, I feel disgusted that I ever believed that Democrats at DU were immune from this kind of shit because you know, Dems are 'reality based'.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
22. No need for an apology to me.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:05 AM
Jun 2015

There is a lot of misinformation, spin and bullshit being spread on this and other topics that involve Sanders.

I am just glad I could offer some facts to correct then.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
21. Can I suggest that you make your post an OP?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jun 2015

We all have the need to learn, and I followed those other threads, and needed to see them to know what the truth is about this vote.

And thank you.

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