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Hillary will not have a position to defend-as usual.
There will be posts much more well-written here on what this means but I will tell you this-it is much more politically expedient to be among the dozen or so who voted against cloture than to vote for it knowing opponents will try to hang it around your neck as "endorsing spying on Americans".
I really think that in addition to a list telling HOW a senator voted on any given bill it would be more informative to tell WHEN the vote was given-the first to vote on a bill has shown their colors while those who waited until the decision was made, (in this case after 60 yeas was reached) could then easily vote however appeared to give advantage.
On Edit-Of course O'Malley didn't vote-this was stated as a fact in an earlier post and I foolishly bit. It does not change my point that knowing WHEN someone voted on a bill could be important in revealing character.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)What are you talking about?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The bill that would reauthorize the USA Patriot Act.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)it relates to the Patriot act but is a version with changes as this poster well knows from prior postings.
Again Saint Bernie gets the type of pas from the Left that no real Democrat will ever get.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)The American Freedom Bill which is really just a watered down version or the Patriot act...
RandySF
(59,813 posts)Because that is the end result of a successful cloture vote.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I expect it to be more odious than the original Patriot Act.
But no problems.
Saint Bernie gets a pass here, unlike the Democrats who caved into the security state and voted to spy on Grandma's iphone.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Here is Wikipedia on it.
The USA Freedom Act is a bill originally introduced in both houses of the U.S. Congress on October 29, 2013. The title of the act is a ten-letter backronym (USA FREEDOM) that stands for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Fulfilling Rights and Ending Eavesdropping, Dragnet-collection and Online Monitoring Act."
The bill was re-introduced in the 114th Congress, receiving support for acting as "a balanced approach"[3] while being questioned for amendments and extending the Patriot Act through the end of 2019.[4] Supporters of the bill say the most the House Intelligence Committee and House leadership[5] would allow is ending bulk collection under Section 215 of the Patriot Act[6] until Section 702 of FISA comes up for review at the end of 2017. Critics assert that mass surveillance of the content of Americans' communication will continue under Section 702 of FISA[7][8] and Executive Order 12333[7][9] due to the "unstoppable surveillance-industrial complex"[10] despite the fact that a bipartisan majority of the House had previously voted to close backdoor mass surveillance.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act
This is an improvement on the Patriot Act. We face an "unstoppable surveillance-industrial complex." We shall see how Bernie votes on the bill.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)McConnell is allowing amendments.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)The Patriot Act has sunset tonight. The Freedom act is different. And a vote FOR closure is obviously not a vote on the bill...
RandySF
(59,813 posts)Which, I believe you said, is a watered down version of the Patriot Act.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The USA Freedom Act is a bill originally introduced in both houses of the U.S. Congress on October 29, 2013. The title of the act is a ten-letter backronym (USA FREEDOM) that stands for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Fulfilling Rights and Ending Eavesdropping, Dragnet-collection and Online Monitoring Act."
The bill was re-introduced in the 114th Congress, receiving support for acting as "a balanced approach"[3] while being questioned for amendments and extending the Patriot Act through the end of 2019.[4] Supporters of the bill say the most the House Intelligence Committee and House leadership[5] would allow is ending bulk collection under Section 215 of the Patriot Act[6] until Section 702 of FISA comes up for review at the end of 2017. Critics assert that mass surveillance of the content of Americans' communication will continue under Section 702 of FISA[7][8] and Executive Order 12333[7][9] due to the "unstoppable surveillance-industrial complex"[10] despite the fact that a bipartisan majority of the House had previously voted to close backdoor mass surveillance.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)Watered down is the term I most often see attached to it.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)But NO, now the USA FREEDOM Act resurrects it.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)This is ridiculous! You don't know what you're talking about.
BTW, The 17 Senators who voted against cloture were all Republicans.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)this came from a satirical reply in a previous thread and I bit-big time. I saw a reply that stated O'Malley was a nay and never even gave it proper thought. I could edit but when I make a big stupid I at least refuse to hide my dumb....Mea culpa. Other than that how am I doing?
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)And I think it would be perfectly fine if you wanted to add a footnote to your OP explaining that. It might help others not bite on incorrect information.
TM99
(8,352 posts)http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/martin-omalley-cites-executive-experience-comparison-obama/story?id=31426353
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-endorses-nsa-reform-bill
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/05/31/bernie_sanders_on_usa_freedom_act_i_may_well_be_voting_for_it_does_not_go_far_enough.html
BERNIE SANDERS: I may well be voting for it. It does not go as far as I would like it to go. I voted against the original PATRIOT Act and against the re-authorization of the PATRIOT Act.
We have got to be vigorous about defending the American people and we have to do it in a way that protects their Constitutional rights, and I am very very worried, what we are seeing not only from not only the NSA and the government, but from corporate America...
Privacy rights, it is a huge issue. I am not comfortable with it, but we have to look at the best of bad situations.
Sanders is the only one who appears not fully decided. He recognizes the need for compromise (something the pragmatic woodchucks here constantly say idealistic BernieBots are lacking in!) and may vote for the Freedom Act.
All he has done thus far is vote for cloture so that debate ends and we move forward with the next step.
To watch all of the lies, bullshit, and spin here about this, I feel disgusted that I ever believed that Democrats at DU were immune from this kind of shit because you know, Dems are 'reality based'.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)and thank you for helping to correct my mistake.
TM99
(8,352 posts)There is a lot of misinformation, spin and bullshit being spread on this and other topics that involve Sanders.
I am just glad I could offer some facts to correct then.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)We all have the need to learn, and I followed those other threads, and needed to see them to know what the truth is about this vote.
And thank you.