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Remember last week, when separate incidents out of Boston University and Londons Goldsmiths University sparked a public debate over charges of racism and sexism and who can be called racist and sexist? Well, apparently we still havent definitively come to any conclusions on those. But the two women at the forefront of both controversies are now involved in new ones.
First, theres incoming BU African American Studies professor Dr. Saida Grundy, who came under harsh criticism and a predictably gleeful torrent of right wing declarations that anti-white racism is rampant after Amherst student Nick Pappas posted some of her more controversial tweets on his SoCawlege site. Deal with your sh*t, white people, shed written, among other comments on her now now protected feed. Slavery is YALL thing
. Those euphemisms for ur ancestors like farmers and pioneers means you owned humans and killed natives. In a statement last week about her Twitter comments, Grundy said, I regret that my personal passion about issues surrounding these events led me to speak about them indelicately.
But Grundys social media behavior came into question again on Monday. Fox News has reported that back in February, a poster identified as Sai Grundy got in a heated Facebook conversation over a post on The Grio critical of Patricia Arquettes post-Oscar comments on feminism. After a white woman named Meghan Chamberlin, who claims she identified herself as a rape survivor, wrote, I LITERALLY cry and lose sleep over this
What this article did was tell me that Im not aloud [sic] to ask for help
Because I am a WHITE woman, the poster known as Grundy soon replied that You promote your #whitegirltears like thats some badge you get to wear and then added, Go cry somewhere since thats what you do.
And over at Goldsmiths, theres more from diversity officer Bahar Mustafa too. Mustafa recently hosted a BME woman and non-binary only event and explained the limited guest list by declaring, I, an ethnic minority woman, cannot be racist or sexist towards white men, because racism and sexism describe structures of privilege based on race and gender. Now, shes the subject of a petition for a vote of no confidence, and accused of spreading slanderous rumors of staff bullying to support her campaigns, and encouraged students to believe that an individual member of staff is directly responsible for student suicide attempts disclosed to her as the Welfare and Diversity Officer, as well as engaging in the the consistent use of hash-tags such as #killallwhitemen and #misandry, and publicly calling someone white trash under the official GSU Welfare and Diversity Officer twitter account.
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/19/when_harshtags_backfire_mocking_whitegirltears_and_joking_killallwhitemen_stir_up_more_university_debate/
Classy bunch.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of academia--how many young white men have they gunned down, arrested, or denied a career to?
Oktober
(1,488 posts)... With victim hood and the expectation of others to accommodate them an integral part of their existence.
Setting race and gender relations back decades...
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Why do Black people have to be so angry? The truth is - white people have their best interests at heart, and the sooner they come to understand and accept that, the more peaceful as a society we will be.
Bryant
romanic
(2,841 posts)And what does black men being gunned down have to do with two idiots on Twitter saying stupid bigoted crap?
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)But the person I was responded to did seem to think there was some equivalence between what these people are doing - because they are molding young minds to hate or something like that - and with the crimes inflicted on blacks all the time. Hence my response.
Do you think these "two idiots" are a serious problem?
Bryant
romanic
(2,841 posts)And bigotry is a serious problem, whether it comes from a white man, a black woman, etc.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)So my point still stands, bigotry IS a serious problem.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Not to mention producing lousier jobs, less educational opportunities, great chance of incarceration and so on - is it white college males who might be discomforted by these teachers statements? Or is it young black males?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)One is a mild bruise and the other a gaping wound. I understand why some people find it much more pleasant to hone in on the mild bruise - they aren't responsible for it, and it lets them get up on their high horses and lecture people, which is always fun. But I don't think we need to be distracted from the gaping wound (i.e. the stacked deck that black people face every day).
Bryant
romanic
(2,841 posts)And realize that people can care about BOTH issues. There's no question that racism/bigotry affects black people so much more but we can't ignore bigotry from marginalized groups towards other groups of people just because "it's not as serious". It's not about high horses and fun, it's about being a decent and respectful human being.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)What a deep insight you have.
Bryant
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)or do you just not care one way or the other?
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I.e. pretty negligible. But I understand why some of my fellow white people want to make a big deal about them.
Bryant
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)that they also give out the grades. Being a white guy, I wouldn't want my grade to depend on their bigoted whims. Would they remain objective if someone told them that their racial announcements are full of shit?
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)professor, employer and police officer would see you as a human being, and treat you with a certain amount of deference and respect. Unlike the experience of many black people.
Of course it's possible that these professors will grade fairly once in the class room.
Bryant
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Yes, but that should be a given, not a possibility.
romanic
(2,841 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 3, 2015, 06:16 AM - Edit history (1)
"Negligible". FYI Mustafa's event excluded MOC as well as white men. Is that still "negligible" or are u going to keep going down this intersectional route and jump through hoops to justify it?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)showing bigotry toward certain groups of people, and they're treated like it's no big deal. I wonder why that is.
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Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I was surprised to hear you say something like that, and was about to snap off a reply until I got to the second sentence and realized what this was...
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I don't know about a career, but I wouldn't take their classes and have my grades depend on their bigoted whims.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)shitty, unfair professors. And the planet keeps right on spinning.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)After all, the planet will keep right on spinning, right?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Maybe a little harsh, but she is basically right to reject the idea that it was appropriate for Patricia Arquette to tell blacks that, because women fought for racial equality, it is now time for blacks to fight for women's equality.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)don't want to.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)The remark was aimed at the woman's rather absurd suggestion that as a white woman she could not ask for help in the battle for sexual equality.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,415 posts)If people say, as you so, "she is basically right to reject the idea that it was appropriate for Patricia Arquette to tell blacks that, because women fought for racial equality, it is now time for blacks to fight for women's equality", then that sends the message that "as a white woman she could not ask for help in the battle for sexual equality".
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)You can't post something on the internet with open interpretations like "kill all white men" and "white girl tears" (to a rape survivor Jesus fucking Christ) and expect people to be okay with it. There are a lot of naive young people out there who fall for such radical and fanatic memes that would act out such hate and bigotry IRL.
Grundy and Mustafa should have used their positions to improve racial/gender relations and educate others but instead played games on Twitter and exclude people then had the audacity to use their "oppressed" status as a flimsy shield to say whatever they want. It doesn't work that way, nor should it.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Disgusting.
Dorian Gray
(13,535 posts)the idea of an academic wasting time with Twitter wars is indicative of an immaturity that I would want in a professor at my university.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)I see a level of snarkiness that is either coming from an extremely immature person or an extremely hateful person... or both.
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romanic
(2,841 posts)I think not.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Seriously, why? It had nothing to do with rape, or surviving, or anything, so why would she be using that as an excuse to claim that she was being told she couldn't/shouldn't seek help? What the hell? I'm not offended if the "harshtag" was harsh - it sounds to me like the white girl tried to make the whole thing all about herself and got slapped down because of it.
Kingofalldems
(38,514 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)has absolutely nothing to do with her and her situation, I'll be happy to listen. Otherwise, I'm baffled as to why she would think that any of it had to do with her in the first place.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)survivors of all races to come forward and get help. Rape survivors do not need professors mocking their misery, period.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)If I had my way, this woman would be kicked out of academia forever.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Interesting sense of humor you've got there.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)We're not talking about Beau Biden at all. Seriously - try to keep up.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)It's times like this I remember the Charlie Chaplin quote that "my pain may be the reason for somebody's laugh. But my laugh must never be the reason for somebody's pain".
Unfortunately not everyone believes that. People like the professor are willing to let the things they find funny hurt others.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Really Nye, do try to keep up.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)if you want to return to the OP.
Not sure that's a whole lot better, dude.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)You haven't made any effort to look at the context of the original exchange with the rape victim, you are far more interested in scoring some sort of "gotcha" moment. So, if it makes you happy, go ahead and think that. But I'll add one final word: Irony.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)of rape.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Shine it on all you like, but you don't get to change facts to suit your opinions.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)who made taunting remarks about a rape victim upthread.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)You're the one who keeps trying to derail the thread to justify your point of view and your rude comments.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Does that give you a chuckle too?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Didn't it bring "our girls" back?
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I remember that. I thought it was stupid from the beginning.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)and "Fox news reported". Figures.
I don't know much at all Twitter but notice several multiple hashtags a lot of it seems to be based on sarcasm. I have no idea what Arquette said at the Oscars but I've seen several titles with long post counts on DU so I imagine there is a lot of debate over what she said but overall Grundy doesn't offend me as a white person but what is missing the context of the other tweets but there is the context of life which is a very, very different experience if you aren't white -- particularly if you're black.
The Mustafa has a lot of unknowns especially as they seem to be proving her proving following the campaign to remove her but I need context on hastags -- I really do. White trash bothers me because it specializes trash in that the white label is applied but mostly seems to be label whites use for rural/poor/impoverished white people.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)I remember the good old days when hashtag was firing up a bowl of Lebanese Blond and chasing each other around.
Ah, the joys of being in the 6th Grade!
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,232 posts)I wish they were part of some fad that would die out, but sadly I don't see them going away anytime soon.
But I refuse to hashtag out of principle.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Hashtags are akin to saying du rec or DUZY or in the case of Twitter adding your comment to a particular topic. It's basic threading in communication and in itself neutral. It's like refusing on DU to post to a sub forum out of principal.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Seriously, I don't know.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)If you use a hashtag it will be seen by many others who are browsing that hashtag.
For example. If I say
"I cannot believe obama is pushing through this lame trade deal"
vs.
"I cannot believe obama is pushing through this lame trade deal #TPP"
when you post it with a hashtag, the hashtag will become a hyperlink, clicking it will return all the tweets that have been tagged with that hashtag.
The $ symbol works the same way for stocks, say aapl vs. $aapl the latter will return all those links referencing apple.
The @ symbol is a way to invoke another user in the same way. Lets say "I feel a naturalhigh". The tweet goes out as a plain text, if I say "I feel a @naturalhigh" it becomes a hyperlink to all your tweets. Its just a short way to add hyperlinks to tweets.
Some people like to add random hashtags that don't actually thread to any other ones. Twitter has a lot of black users and I suspect the #whitegirltears is probably one they use to make fun of white girls who complain about stuff. Another example would be
#firstworldproblems, etc.
Does that make sense?
In some ways discussionist uses hashtags. When you make a post it shows up in the news area. However you can tag your post with something like Ukraine or DU. When you click on that tag it returns all the related links for that topic with the same tag. It's a flexible way to group topics in a dynamic, ever evolving way.
With DU someone has to make a subgroup. with tags or hashtags anyone can make a subgroup.
here are the current trending tags on twitter.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NBAFinals - fairly obvious
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23IRE15 - a current conference
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23PDF15 - the personal democracy conference
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CheeseFilms - a playful tag '500 days of cheddar', Star Wars: The Roquefort Awakens, The Provolone Ranger, Cheddar Off Bread
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TPP
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23whitegirltears
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Very unfeeling.