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NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:52 AM Jun 2015

When “harshtags” backfire: Mocking #whitegirltears and joking #killallwhitemen stir up debate

Remember last week, when separate incidents out of Boston University and London’s Goldsmiths University sparked a public debate over charges of racism and sexism — and who can be called racist and sexist? Well, apparently we still haven’t definitively come to any conclusions on those. But the two women at the forefront of both controversies are now involved in new ones.

First, there’s incoming BU African American Studies professor Dr. Saida Grundy, who came under harsh criticism — and a predictably gleeful torrent of right wing declarations that “anti-white racism is rampant” — after Amherst student Nick Pappas posted some of her more controversial tweets on his SoCawlege site. “Deal with your sh*t, white people,” she’d written, among other comments on her now now protected feed. “Slavery is YALL thing…. Those euphemisms for ur ancestors like ‘farmers’ and ‘pioneers’ means you owned humans and killed natives.” In a statement last week about her Twitter comments, Grundy said, “I regret that my personal passion about issues surrounding these events led me to speak about them indelicately.”

But Grundy’s social media behavior came into question again on Monday. Fox News has reported that back in February, a poster identified as Sai Grundy got in a heated Facebook conversation over a post on The Grio critical of Patricia Arquette’s post-Oscar comments on feminism. After a white woman named Meghan Chamberlin, who claims she identified herself as a rape survivor, wrote, “I LITERALLY cry and lose sleep over this… What this article did was tell me that I’m not aloud [sic] to ask for help… Because I am a WHITE woman,” the poster known as Grundy soon replied that “You promote your #whitegirltears like that’s some badge you get to wear” and then added, “Go cry somewhere since that’s what you do.”

And over at Goldsmiths, there’s more from diversity officer Bahar Mustafa too. Mustafa recently hosted “a BME woman and non-binary” only event and explained the limited guest list by declaring, “I, an ethnic minority woman, cannot be racist or sexist towards white men, because racism and sexism describe structures of privilege based on race and gender.” Now, she’s the subject of a petition for a vote of no confidence, and accused of spreading “slanderous rumors of staff bullying to support her campaigns, and encouraged students to believe that an individual member of staff is directly responsible for student suicide attempts disclosed to her as the Welfare and Diversity Officer,” as well as engaging in “the the consistent use of hash-tags such as #killallwhitemen and #misandry, and publicly calling someone ‘white trash’ under the official GSU Welfare and Diversity Officer twitter account.”


http://www.salon.com/2015/05/19/when_harshtags_backfire_mocking_whitegirltears_and_joking_killallwhitemen_stir_up_more_university_debate/

Classy bunch.

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When “harshtags” backfire: Mocking #whitegirltears and joking #killallwhitemen stir up debate (Original Post) NaturalHigh Jun 2015 OP
Two bigoted assholes in obscure corners geek tragedy Jun 2015 #1
Helping to raise a new generation of bigoted assholes... Oktober Jun 2015 #2
you are right - that's way worse than the dozens of black men gunned down by the police. el_bryanto Jun 2015 #7
Who said it was worse? romanic Jun 2015 #8
I can see you aren't the same person who I responded to el_bryanto Jun 2015 #14
Posts are subjective romanic Jun 2015 #18
Bigotry is a more serious problem when it results in deaths though. nt. el_bryanto Jun 2015 #19
Bigotry can kill everyone. romanic Jun 2015 #20
Yes - but statistically who is it actually killing? el_bryanto Jun 2015 #21
Why turn a blind eye to racism and bigotry at all? If allowed to grow and metastasize it will? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #49
I suppose I look at two wounds on our American Psyche el_bryanto Jun 2015 #50
Or you could just stop comparing the two. romanic Jun 2015 #51
You see it as wounds. I see it as cancer. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #53
Well gosh - I can see how that's totally different. el_bryanto Jun 2015 #54
Are you trying to justify these tweets... NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #57
I'm placing them in their proper context. el_bryanto Jun 2015 #58
Not so negligible when you consider... NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #60
I suppose you would have the comfort of knowing that almost every other el_bryanto Jun 2015 #62
"it's possible that these professors will grade fairly once in the class room." NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #64
Being bigoted towards anyone isn't romanic Jun 2015 #63
Yet we unfortunately see all kinds of comments on this board... NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #59
... Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #11
Man, i have to tune my snark meters. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #52
"denied a career to"... NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #39
Neither would I. But there are lots of geek tragedy Jun 2015 #40
By that standard we don't need to worry about anything. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #41
I don't see much of a problem with Grundy's remarks. Vattel Jun 2015 #3
pretty everyone knew what Arquette meant… except those who for some reason KittyWampus Jun 2015 #4
what did she mean? Vattel Jun 2015 #5
So no issue with the "whitegirltears" comment to the rape victim? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #9
Grundy's remarks have nothing to do with the fact that this woman was the victim of a rape. Vattel Jun 2015 #29
That 'absurd' suggestion seems to be just what you are suggesting in reply #3 muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #46
That's nice. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #42
I'm glad these "harshtags" are backfiring romanic Jun 2015 #6
Yet we see people defending them. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #34
I think Dorian Gray Jun 2015 #47
This! Thank you. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #67
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #10
To a rape survivor romanic Jun 2015 #12
Why is a white rape survivor crying herself to sleep over the POC reaction to Arquette's speech? Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #15
Quite a nasty post there. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #16
Well if you can explain to me how a woman has any business inserting herself into something that Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #23
Women not having equal rights makes it difficult for rape prayin4rain Jun 2015 #44
Exactly. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #56
The Biden family's tears over the loss of Beau, for example? Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #17
What in the hell does that have to do with the OP? Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #22
You said that you find white people's tears to be "funny". (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #24
Some people aren't worth the effort mythology Jun 2015 #25
Yeah, in the context of the OP. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #26
OK, so you find the tears of white rape victims to be "funny", Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #27
Sorry, done with this. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #28
I agree. Grundy's remarks had nothing to do with the fact that the woman in question was a victim Vattel Jun 2015 #31
She taunted the woman after she knew she was a rape victim. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #36
Apology accepted (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #32
Done with this because you know you would slam anyone else... NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #35
Try to keep up? NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #43
You are such a sensitive soul. Or is the correct word bigot? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #33
What about killing all white men? NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #38
#hashtagactivism is going to save the world I thought. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #13
Zing. Tipperary Jun 2015 #30
Apparently those hashtags have super powers. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #37
I love how her "behavior came into question again" JonLP24 Jun 2015 #45
Hashtags are so 2012 FrodosPet Jun 2015 #48
You must have had more fun in the 6th grade than I did! NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #55
Hashtags in general are extremely annoying. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2015 #61
I don't really understand them since I don't use twitter. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #66
Like the @ or $ they are an integral part of Twitter. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #69
So you have to use a hashtag to tweet? NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #70
If you just tweet only those people who follow you will see it. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #71
That was a very helpful explanation. Thank you. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #72
That was a cruel response to the rape survivor treestar Jun 2015 #65
Yes it was, almost like she was drilling for the most painful thing she could say. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #68
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. Two bigoted assholes in obscure corners
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:20 AM
Jun 2015

of academia--how many young white men have they gunned down, arrested, or denied a career to?

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
2. Helping to raise a new generation of bigoted assholes...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:37 AM
Jun 2015

... With victim hood and the expectation of others to accommodate them an integral part of their existence.

Setting race and gender relations back decades...

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
7. you are right - that's way worse than the dozens of black men gunned down by the police.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:52 AM
Jun 2015

Why do Black people have to be so angry? The truth is - white people have their best interests at heart, and the sooner they come to understand and accept that, the more peaceful as a society we will be.

Bryant

romanic

(2,841 posts)
8. Who said it was worse?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:54 AM
Jun 2015

And what does black men being gunned down have to do with two idiots on Twitter saying stupid bigoted crap?

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
14. I can see you aren't the same person who I responded to
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:04 AM
Jun 2015

But the person I was responded to did seem to think there was some equivalence between what these people are doing - because they are molding young minds to hate or something like that - and with the crimes inflicted on blacks all the time. Hence my response.

Do you think these "two idiots" are a serious problem?

Bryant

romanic

(2,841 posts)
18. Posts are subjective
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jun 2015

And bigotry is a serious problem, whether it comes from a white man, a black woman, etc.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
21. Yes - but statistically who is it actually killing?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:47 AM
Jun 2015

Not to mention producing lousier jobs, less educational opportunities, great chance of incarceration and so on - is it white college males who might be discomforted by these teachers statements? Or is it young black males?

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
50. I suppose I look at two wounds on our American Psyche
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:17 AM
Jun 2015

One is a mild bruise and the other a gaping wound. I understand why some people find it much more pleasant to hone in on the mild bruise - they aren't responsible for it, and it lets them get up on their high horses and lecture people, which is always fun. But I don't think we need to be distracted from the gaping wound (i.e. the stacked deck that black people face every day).

Bryant

romanic

(2,841 posts)
51. Or you could just stop comparing the two.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:26 AM
Jun 2015

And realize that people can care about BOTH issues. There's no question that racism/bigotry affects black people so much more but we can't ignore bigotry from marginalized groups towards other groups of people just because "it's not as serious". It's not about high horses and fun, it's about being a decent and respectful human being.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
58. I'm placing them in their proper context.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jun 2015

I.e. pretty negligible. But I understand why some of my fellow white people want to make a big deal about them.

Bryant

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
60. Not so negligible when you consider...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:25 PM
Jun 2015

that they also give out the grades. Being a white guy, I wouldn't want my grade to depend on their bigoted whims. Would they remain objective if someone told them that their racial announcements are full of shit?

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
62. I suppose you would have the comfort of knowing that almost every other
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:11 PM
Jun 2015

professor, employer and police officer would see you as a human being, and treat you with a certain amount of deference and respect. Unlike the experience of many black people.

Of course it's possible that these professors will grade fairly once in the class room.

Bryant

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
64. "it's possible that these professors will grade fairly once in the class room."
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:02 AM
Jun 2015

Yes, but that should be a given, not a possibility.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
63. Being bigoted towards anyone isn't
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 04:02 AM
Jun 2015

Last edited Wed Jun 3, 2015, 06:16 AM - Edit history (1)

"Negligible". FYI Mustafa's event excluded MOC as well as white men. Is that still "negligible" or are u going to keep going down this intersectional route and jump through hoops to justify it?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
73. Yet we unfortunately see all kinds of comments on this board...
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jun 2015

showing bigotry toward certain groups of people, and they're treated like it's no big deal. I wonder why that is.

Response to romanic (Reply #8)

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
52. Man, i have to tune my snark meters.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:40 AM
Jun 2015

I was surprised to hear you say something like that, and was about to snap off a reply until I got to the second sentence and realized what this was...

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
39. "denied a career to"...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:49 PM
Jun 2015

I don't know about a career, but I wouldn't take their classes and have my grades depend on their bigoted whims.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
40. Neither would I. But there are lots of
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:58 PM
Jun 2015

shitty, unfair professors. And the planet keeps right on spinning.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
41. By that standard we don't need to worry about anything.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:20 PM
Jun 2015

After all, the planet will keep right on spinning, right?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
3. I don't see much of a problem with Grundy's remarks.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:01 AM
Jun 2015

Maybe a little harsh, but she is basically right to reject the idea that it was appropriate for Patricia Arquette to tell blacks that, because women fought for racial equality, it is now time for blacks to fight for women's equality.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
29. Grundy's remarks have nothing to do with the fact that this woman was the victim of a rape.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jun 2015

The remark was aimed at the woman's rather absurd suggestion that as a white woman she could not ask for help in the battle for sexual equality.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,415 posts)
46. That 'absurd' suggestion seems to be just what you are suggesting in reply #3
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:46 AM
Jun 2015

If people say, as you so, "she is basically right to reject the idea that it was appropriate for Patricia Arquette to tell blacks that, because women fought for racial equality, it is now time for blacks to fight for women's equality", then that sends the message that "as a white woman she could not ask for help in the battle for sexual equality".

romanic

(2,841 posts)
6. I'm glad these "harshtags" are backfiring
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:43 AM
Jun 2015

You can't post something on the internet with open interpretations like "kill all white men" and "white girl tears" (to a rape survivor Jesus fucking Christ) and expect people to be okay with it. There are a lot of naive young people out there who fall for such radical and fanatic memes that would act out such hate and bigotry IRL.

Grundy and Mustafa should have used their positions to improve racial/gender relations and educate others but instead played games on Twitter and exclude people then had the audacity to use their "oppressed" status as a flimsy shield to say whatever they want. It doesn't work that way, nor should it.

Dorian Gray

(13,535 posts)
47. I think
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:06 AM
Jun 2015

the idea of an academic wasting time with Twitter wars is indicative of an immaturity that I would want in a professor at my university.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
67. This! Thank you.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 07:54 AM
Jun 2015

I see a level of snarkiness that is either coming from an extremely immature person or an extremely hateful person... or both.

Response to NaturalHigh (Original post)

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
15. Why is a white rape survivor crying herself to sleep over the POC reaction to Arquette's speech?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:04 AM
Jun 2015

Seriously, why? It had nothing to do with rape, or surviving, or anything, so why would she be using that as an excuse to claim that she was being told she couldn't/shouldn't seek help? What the hell? I'm not offended if the "harshtag" was harsh - it sounds to me like the white girl tried to make the whole thing all about herself and got slapped down because of it.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
23. Well if you can explain to me how a woman has any business inserting herself into something that
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:38 AM
Jun 2015

has absolutely nothing to do with her and her situation, I'll be happy to listen. Otherwise, I'm baffled as to why she would think that any of it had to do with her in the first place.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
44. Women not having equal rights makes it difficult for rape
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:52 PM
Jun 2015

survivors of all races to come forward and get help. Rape survivors do not need professors mocking their misery, period.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
17. The Biden family's tears over the loss of Beau, for example?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:11 AM
Jun 2015

Interesting sense of humor you've got there.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
22. What in the hell does that have to do with the OP?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:37 AM
Jun 2015

We're not talking about Beau Biden at all. Seriously - try to keep up.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
25. Some people aren't worth the effort
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jun 2015

It's times like this I remember the Charlie Chaplin quote that "my pain may be the reason for somebody's laugh. But my laugh must never be the reason for somebody's pain".

Unfortunately not everyone believes that. People like the professor are willing to let the things they find funny hurt others.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
27. OK, so you find the tears of white rape victims to be "funny",
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:58 AM
Jun 2015

if you want to return to the OP.

Not sure that's a whole lot better, dude.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
28. Sorry, done with this.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jun 2015

You haven't made any effort to look at the context of the original exchange with the rape victim, you are far more interested in scoring some sort of "gotcha" moment. So, if it makes you happy, go ahead and think that. But I'll add one final word: Irony.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
31. I agree. Grundy's remarks had nothing to do with the fact that the woman in question was a victim
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:10 PM
Jun 2015

of rape.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
36. She taunted the woman after she knew she was a rape victim.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

Shine it on all you like, but you don't get to change facts to suit your opinions.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
35. Done with this because you know you would slam anyone else...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015

who made taunting remarks about a rape victim upthread.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
43. Try to keep up?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:26 PM
Jun 2015

You're the one who keeps trying to derail the thread to justify your point of view and your rude comments.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
45. I love how her "behavior came into question again"
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:11 AM
Jun 2015

and "Fox news reported". Figures.

I don't know much at all Twitter but notice several multiple hashtags a lot of it seems to be based on sarcasm. I have no idea what Arquette said at the Oscars but I've seen several titles with long post counts on DU so I imagine there is a lot of debate over what she said but overall Grundy doesn't offend me as a white person but what is missing the context of the other tweets but there is the context of life which is a very, very different experience if you aren't white -- particularly if you're black.

The Mustafa has a lot of unknowns especially as they seem to be proving her proving following the campaign to remove her but I need context on hastags -- I really do. White trash bothers me because it specializes trash in that the white label is applied but mostly seems to be label whites use for rural/poor/impoverished white people.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
48. Hashtags are so 2012
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:10 AM
Jun 2015

I remember the good old days when hashtag was firing up a bowl of Lebanese Blond and chasing each other around.

Ah, the joys of being in the 6th Grade!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,232 posts)
61. Hashtags in general are extremely annoying.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jun 2015

I wish they were part of some fad that would die out, but sadly I don't see them going away anytime soon.

But I refuse to hashtag out of principle.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
69. Like the @ or $ they are an integral part of Twitter.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jun 2015

Hashtags are akin to saying du rec or DUZY or in the case of Twitter adding your comment to a particular topic. It's basic threading in communication and in itself neutral. It's like refusing on DU to post to a sub forum out of principal.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
71. If you just tweet only those people who follow you will see it.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jun 2015

If you use a hashtag it will be seen by many others who are browsing that hashtag.

For example. If I say

"I cannot believe obama is pushing through this lame trade deal"

vs.

"I cannot believe obama is pushing through this lame trade deal #TPP"

when you post it with a hashtag, the hashtag will become a hyperlink, clicking it will return all the tweets that have been tagged with that hashtag.

The $ symbol works the same way for stocks, say aapl vs. $aapl the latter will return all those links referencing apple.

The @ symbol is a way to invoke another user in the same way. Lets say "I feel a naturalhigh". The tweet goes out as a plain text, if I say "I feel a @naturalhigh" it becomes a hyperlink to all your tweets. Its just a short way to add hyperlinks to tweets.

Some people like to add random hashtags that don't actually thread to any other ones. Twitter has a lot of black users and I suspect the #whitegirltears is probably one they use to make fun of white girls who complain about stuff. Another example would be
#firstworldproblems, etc.

Does that make sense?

In some ways discussionist uses hashtags. When you make a post it shows up in the news area. However you can tag your post with something like Ukraine or DU. When you click on that tag it returns all the related links for that topic with the same tag. It's a flexible way to group topics in a dynamic, ever evolving way.

With DU someone has to make a subgroup. with tags or hashtags anyone can make a subgroup.

here are the current trending tags on twitter.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NBAFinals - fairly obvious
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23IRE15 - a current conference
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23PDF15 - the personal democracy conference
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CheeseFilms - a playful tag '500 days of cheddar', Star Wars: The Roquefort Awakens, The Provolone Ranger, Cheddar Off Bread
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TPP
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23whitegirltears




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