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phantom power

(25,966 posts) Mon Jun 1, 2015, 12:58 PM Jun 2015

Bundy: "Jesus Christ and the founding fathers helped vanquish the BLM's army without a shot"

Fame has not mellowed his views – he branded federal bureaucrats “the enemy” – but has imbued grandiosity. Bundy equated himself with the national spirit, saying he represented millions of Americans. He referred to himself in the third person and interchangeably with “we the people”.

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Bundy himself does not carry a weapon, lest it give government assassins justification to take him out, said Cavalier. Bundy nodded.

Both men see themselves as the good guys in a quixotic, Tea Party-tinged western where the villains are the heavily armed agents of federal government overreach.

Cavalier said he served in Iraq and Afghanistan and claims ancestry from 15th-century English soldiers whom he said guarded King Henry IV (cavaliers are in fact associated with King Charles I). His neck is tattooed with ‘veni, vidi, vici”, the Latin phrase for “I came, I saw, I conquered” attributed to Julius Caesar.

Bundy, who is expecting the birth of his 60th grandchild, traced his lineage to Mayflower pilgrims.

He cast the showdown over grazing fees as a miracle in which Jesus Christ and the founding fathers helped vanquish the BLM’s “army” without a shot being fired. “I believe in prayer ... I felt I’ve been guided a lot of times by the heavenly spirits.” He was certain divine intervention delivered victory. “It was amazing to go against an army and not be scared.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/cliven-bundy-standoff-grazing-rights-nevada-ranch

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Bundy: "Jesus Christ and the founding fathers helped vanquish the BLM's army without a shot" (Original Post) phantom power Jun 2015 OP

Failing to arrest violent terrorists will haunt the federal government for decades to come. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #1

Evidently he now believes he is God Emperor of Nevada phantom power Jun 2015 #5

Bravo, AG Holder frylock Jun 2015 #2

Politics and a fear of a damned shoot-out were what "stopped" the BLM. Cerridwen Jun 2015 #3

I'm glad to hear that they're at least pursuing this in the courts. drm604 Jun 2015 #8

It's been going on for over 20 years. Including bundy defying court orders. Cerridwen Jun 2015 #10

Regarding "No one knows how he will react" phantom power Jun 2015 #11

Well, He at least has inspired some epic beards. n/t Orsino Jun 2015 #4

Why isn't this a-hole on trial?!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2015 #6

IOKIYAR Fumesucker Jun 2015 #13

I'll take that as comradely agreement. Although his transgressions are taking place under UTUSN Jun 2015 #15

Doesn't matter, it's still OKIYAR, maybe even moreso Fumesucker Jun 2015 #16

Uuuuuuugh shenmue Jun 2015 #7

"60th grandchild"???????????????? TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #9

No, the paper tigers in our federal government did that all by themselves. nt peecoolyour Jun 2015 #12

Is he taking lessons from the Sarah Palin School of History by chance? Initech Jun 2015 #14

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)

1. Failing to arrest violent terrorists will haunt the federal government for decades to come. eom

Reply to phantom power (Original post)

Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:00 PM

Jun 2015

phantom power

(25,966 posts)

5. Evidently he now believes he is God Emperor of Nevada

Reply to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:06 PM

Jun 2015

The living embodiment of the founding fathers, backed by Jesus.

What could possibly go wrong?

frylock

(34,825 posts)

2. Bravo, AG Holder

Reply to phantom power (Original post)

Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:03 PM

Jun 2015

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)

3. Politics and a fear of a damned shoot-out were what "stopped" the BLM.

Reply to phantom power (Original post)

Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:04 PM

Jun 2015

Politics and a fear of a damned shoot-out were what "stopped" the BLM.

The BLM, so far as I've read, is continuing to pursue a resolution through the courts. Unfortunately, local politics and the idiocy of Nevada "libertarians" has helped to create and perpetuate the situation.

bundy's an idiot and some of his neighbors have problems with him but are afraid to say so because he's blooming nuts and his sons are worse. (The previous is based on reading the paper from his community as well as local sources I know here in town.)

drm604

(16,230 posts)

8. I'm glad to hear that they're at least pursuing this in the courts.

Reply to Cerridwen (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:27 PM

Jun 2015

I would think that they'll at least be able to confiscate some of his financial assets.

It seems like there should be some sort of criminal charges arising from this at some point, so we may yet see another armed confrontation.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)

10. It's been going on for over 20 years. Including bundy defying court orders.

Reply to drm604 (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:35 PM

Jun 2015

It's been going on for over 20 years. Including bundy defying court orders. The local sheriffs are not always in agreement as to the enforcement of those court orders and they, too, are concerned for the safety of their officers and civilians.

I don't follow it closely any more; it's not worth the heartburn. bundy's adept (or his lawyers are adept) at gaming the system; using the "letter of the law" to subvert the "spirit of the law."

he can also rely on a lot of people not wanting to confront him in person because no one knows how he, or his sons, will react. It's a frustrating situation all the way around. In the meantime, his cattle starve; I've seen a few pictures. But, they're his property and property rights are a part of this scenario.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)

11. Regarding "No one knows how he will react"

Reply to Cerridwen (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:12 PM

Jun 2015

I'm sure I'm like the one millionth person to observe this, but recent history is showing that the authorities never, ever worry about "how a suspect might react" to an armed show of force when your skin is Of A Darker-Than-Beige Shade. Only white conservatives seem to be given this kind of consideration.