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Kingofalldems

(38,514 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:19 PM Jun 2015

Obama Administration Proposes Sweeping Gun Regulations

http://www.ibtimes.com/obama-administration-proposes-sweeping-gun-regulations-1945483

The Obama administration will propose sweeping regulations on gun ownership aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of those convicted of domestic violence and the mentally ill.

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The latest attempt by Obama will surely cause a rise in outrage among his opponents. The recent conspiracy theory surrounding the Jade Helm 15 training exercise was fueled by fears Obama was going to send the military to invade the state of Texas to confiscate guns. But in more than six years in office, Obama has yet to win any changes to curb gun ownership.

So this is as much about right wing paranoia as it is guns.

BTW, who could possibly be against this?
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Obama Administration Proposes Sweeping Gun Regulations (Original Post) Kingofalldems Jun 2015 OP
"who could possibly be against this?" Skittles Jun 2015 #1
As always the devil, if it is present, will be in the details. HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #26
Yep, I agree Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #27
"See, see, see I told yer thet commie Kenyan is acomin' to git yer guns" TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #2
I support Obama on this issue PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #3
I love when common sense prevails. nt peecoolyour Jun 2015 #4
Heh... gcomeau Jun 2015 #5
Jade Helm, taking away guns from the criminally insane and violent domestic abusers.... Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #7
And only hours after making my post... gcomeau Jun 2015 #33
Note to GD hosts: Two LBN hosts suggested this news be posted here in GD Electric Monk Jun 2015 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Jun 2015 #8
Nice. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #9
I just did, and without the usual snarky remarks that mark your side of the issue. GGJohn Jun 2015 #11
I agree with that.. "p.s. FUCK THE NRA." Cha Jun 2015 #19
Did not have to wait long Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #20
What's to discuss? Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #22
It is Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #24
Kick PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #10
k&r... spanone Jun 2015 #12
Uh Oh! RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #13
But of course groundloop Jun 2015 #16
This is a good idea... Sancho Jun 2015 #14
"Who could possibly be against this?" DanTex Jun 2015 #15
Nothing wrong with this. Obama has been good to gun owners hack89 Jun 2015 #18
Plus, it's at least the *right direction* to go in Recursion Jun 2015 #29
I read on DU that President Obama is a "Trojan Horse" and "not a dem".. how dare he propose Cha Jun 2015 #17
This isn't Obama-- it's the Justice Department. Marr Jun 2015 #23
I wonder if they will track the mentally ill through a database? hack89 Jun 2015 #21
That is the question Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #25
So you were for it upthread and now wavering? Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #30
I have no problem with the proposal hack89 Jun 2015 #31
This seems to be the proposal relating to the mental illness prohibition: petronius Jun 2015 #34
At long last, a Democratic politician proposes gun control legislation I agree with Recursion Jun 2015 #28
Great. 99Forever Jun 2015 #32
K&R. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #35
The NRA (nazi right assholes) will be against it. I sincerely hope he can make this happen. Exilednight Jun 2015 #36
Thats like 90% of the NRA's donating base Ruby the Liberal Jun 2015 #37
Here we go ! wheeeeeee. nt clarice Jun 2015 #38

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
26. As always the devil, if it is present, will be in the details.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:25 AM
Jun 2015

If those details promote institutionalizing irrational fear of and undue prejudice against the mentally ill, I'll oppose it.

I am not a gun-owner or a member of the NRA. I am familiar with the statistics.

I do believe the 14th amendment should still apply to everyone.






TheCowsCameHome

(40,169 posts)
2. "See, see, see I told yer thet commie Kenyan is acomin' to git yer guns"
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jun 2015

I can hear it now.

Shhhh, just listen............

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
5. Heh...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jun 2015
BTW, who could possibly be against this?


Probably half the population of the RKBA forum for starters... cause this is where it starts you see.... first they take the guns away from the mentally disturbed, next thing you know the gub'mint has defined everyone who wants to carry a gun as mentally disturbed and every law abiding citizen in the country has been disarmed while simultaneously every criminal has their hands on an arsenal and it's anarchy... ANARCHY!!!!!!!

(Or you know, something equally paranoid and fearful...)

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. Jade Helm, taking away guns from the criminally insane and violent domestic abusers....
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015

what next, limiting personal arsenals to five weapons or less?

The NRA could not get any more paranoid, so I do not worry about their response, it will be the same response of fear, paranoia, lies, hate and terrorism of elected Representatives that is baked in like a Pavolian response.

So predictable as to be prone to be taken advance of.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
6. Note to GD hosts: Two LBN hosts suggested this news be posted here in GD
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141107595#post20
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141107630#post16

and it has also been posted in GCRA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628975

I'm waiting with bated breath for one of our resident gunthusiasts to post this news in the gungeon without using a breitbart or foxnews link


p.s. FUCK THE NRA.

Response to Electric Monk (Reply #6)

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
11. I just did, and without the usual snarky remarks that mark your side of the issue.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jun 2015

And, I used the same link.
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
24. It is
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:00 AM
Jun 2015

Until the fine print is written. That is when most control legislation fails. From the overreaching and just sometimes just not knowing the topic being legislated on.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
18. Nothing wrong with this. Obama has been good to gun owners
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:18 PM
Jun 2015

this is smart politics - throw a bone to a vocal constituency without putting Congressional Dems on the spot.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
29. Plus, it's at least the *right direction* to go in
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:34 AM
Jun 2015

Concentrate on who can have a gun in the first place, not on the name or shape of the gun they can have.

Cha

(298,079 posts)
17. I read on DU that President Obama is a "Trojan Horse" and "not a dem".. how dare he propose
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:58 PM
Jun 2015
sweeping regulations on gun ownership aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of those convicted of domestic violence and the mentally ill."

How dare he?!!!! That's not what "Trojan horses" do.. "Not a dem" does not do this?!! Wth!

Mahalo Koadems! The gop will scream their heads off.. they want guns in the hands of these people.. according to them.. everyone needs a gun .. no matter who violent or sick.
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
23. This isn't Obama-- it's the Justice Department.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:52 AM
Jun 2015

At least, that's your argument when we're talking about Obama's 1%er policies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026761175#post42

Doesn't it bother you just a little to swap out your standards so casually? I mean, Jesus-- you were literally making these two arguments at the same time.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
21. I wonder if they will track the mentally ill through a database?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:10 AM
Jun 2015

it will be interesting to see how they balance this with medical privacy laws.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
31. I have no problem with the proposal
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jun 2015

they just have to take care in how they implement it. I see two potential issues - the first is a clash with mental health advocates worried about privacy and stigmatizing people with mental health issues. The notion that mentally ill people are a danger to others will be vigorously fought. The second is will it scare people away from getting treatment for mental health issues. The army is struggling with this very issue - a lot of soldier are not stepping forward for PTSD treatment because they don't want to lose their guns.

The devil is always in the details.

petronius

(26,613 posts)
34. This seems to be the proposal relating to the mental illness prohibition:
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014-01-07/pdf/2014-00039.pdf#page=1

I posted elsewhere that I'm not sure "sweeping" is really the term for this: it looks like DOJ wants to make permanent some existing temporary rules, including the domestic violence one, modify the NFA definition of a pistol, and has expressed intent to make unspecified proposals in other areas, but thus far it doesn't seem* like there's a reason for anyone to get excited here...

Here's the list of DOJ entries in the Unified Agenda that this all appears to be based on.


* Caveat: I am not a lawyer, so perhaps I'm completely missing the gravity here.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
28. At long last, a Democratic politician proposes gun control legislation I agree with
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:33 AM
Jun 2015

No BS about the shape of grips or bayonet lugs. This sounds like a great idea.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
37. Thats like 90% of the NRA's donating base
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jun 2015

I can see why they would have an issue with it. Slippery slope and all that.

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