Face it. Bernie supporters just don't have what it takes to post OPs tying another candidate to completely unrelated racist pictures and accusations of writing rape fantasy porn.

He didn't trot out a token black family to show he wasn't at his announcement speech. He must be homophobic too for not trotting out a gay couple like Hillary did.

I personally can't speak for black people, but I certainly can speak for gay ones. The stereotyping NEEDS TO STOP. We're not Republicans, we're f*cking Democrats. Why are we race baiting each other??

many hillary supporters you are a hater. I was told today that I was 'shooting my mouth off'. I wish I had the vocabulary to express how angry I still am after several hours between reading that said to me here and now. This sword cuts both ways.

I got banned from the Hillary group for saying it cuts both ways.

It does cut both ways.

...for pointing out that Ron Paul polled high in online polls, and you can't take them seriously.

Apparently, that was "trolling."

Going to the Bernie group and telling people to fall inline and vote for Hillary. Let me check............Yep, trolling.

He's gonna need to up his game if he wants to still be here when the real fun starts.

under dubious circumstances without linking to it..

only to have someone show up with the link and results.

I'm a big fan of your work as well.

I am of yours as well.

Especially in the A&A group.

I served on a jury for a post in that group.....and posted the Jury Results...without any personal narrative. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=7758

Just a horrid thing that I did there. lol.

Too funny lol

but some people..........................

I'm sorry you were made to feel bad. Some here glom onto their candidate and defend them as if they were their immediate family as opposed to a politician. It's as ridiculous as it is inappropriate. I recommend fully utilizing the tools available on this website to deal with that such as trash thread, alert, ignore, etc. Cheers.

That is not the case. It does not serve you to accuse me thusly.

Eight years ago I voted for Hillary!

But I'll take the best the Democratic Party has to offer.

....maybe you should reevaluate the way you pick candidates.

nt

I sure have.

I'm not sure why you're directing this at me, I think all candidates should be critiqued until someone wraps up the nomination.

Hillary's supporters haven't been able to criticize him on the issues, so they have been going after him personally. Some of the memes have been bizarre.

Compare the two candidates on issues and criticize away.

All of my critiques of her are either policy related or where she gets her campaign funding. I have trouble believing that someone that cashes Wall Street's checks on Tuesday are going to do a good job of regulating them and reining them in on Thursday.

But personally I have cut back on talking about your candidate. She already gets too much press and it is better for my blood pressure to just talk positively about what Bernie stands for.

If the OP thinks some people are talking out of their ass, it's not very smart to let those people influence your vote.

This is Democratic Underground, and I have loved it and leaned from it for a long, long time.

Plenty of hard facts on this board to help me pick my candidate. My point is that quasi-baseless personal assaults on Hillary posted by certain Bernie supporters serve Hillary, not Bernie.

I believe you have entirely missed my point.

....Will continue missing your point. To me, the situation reminds me of the cartoon where the repuke, his suit overflowing with cash points to the democrat with a couple of bills hanging out of his pocket and yells, "SEE, HE TOOK MONEY TOO!!!". As for Hillary criticism vs Bernie criticism, there is no comparison.

And please note also that there's more than enough rudeness to go around. Nobody should be sliming anybody, but it always happens during primary season because people identify too closely with their chosen candidate. "You insult my candidate, you insult ME! So YOU suck, and therefore your candidate sucks because a good candidate wouldn't have assholes supporting him/her!" A few childish or overzealous fans shouldn't determine anybody's vote; unfortunately we always notice the bad behavior of some and don't notice so much the rational, polite behavior of the majority.

Bernie's interviews with Randi Rhodes sold me on Bernie. Not hating Hillary is not the same as not being a Bernie supporter. I don't get the intense vitriol for Clinton. Perhaps I'm not pure enough?

She became a left wing caricature of Ann Coulter.

That was back in 08 I believe. Never listened to her after that and he career took a nose dive after the election. She basically self immolated over Hillary.

And she did engage in invective.

Point taken.

And Ed Schultz and many others.

Randi was the worst though.

Hillary, Bernie or O'Malley? You're going to decide to support a Presidential contender because some people on the internet are mean?

What's with these faux "I like Bernie but" posts?

Just another hypocrite looking for a reason to attack DUers who don't support Hillary.

PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

We would all howl when Al would say, "Well, I never say anything bad about anyone but........"

It is so transparent.

Dripping with meanness. Really, I'm some sort of Hillary-spy?

Polarization doesn't serve Bernie, it serves Hillary. And maybe some of your wicked inner demons.

It's not transparent at all. You are dead wrong, and proving my point. Turning Bernie's candidacy into a purity test is STUPID. He needs a big tent.

Do you not want him to win? Do you think making dickish comments and excluding people is the key to his success?

He doesn't. Hillary has numbers; Bernie has to attract people away from her. Being vile and mean is not the tactic here, Puglover.

Unless you're up to something else. You know, this post has revealed much to me -- many Bernie supporters are thoughtful and intelligent, and many are complete assholes. Not that it should matter to me; but it does, and to other moderates leaning Bernie.

You're hurting his cause, not helping.

"Vile and mean." Just telling an old work story that I thought fit here. Seems to have given you a sad. Sorry bout that.

"Unless you're up to something else." LOL did you not just say with some umbrage...."Really I'm some sort of Hillary-spy?" Pot kettle.

"You know this post has revealed much to me." Thank you?



You give me far too much credit.

Your post has revealed that I'm right, and yes, I infer Rat-Fuckery when Bernie clearly does not intend to vilify Hillary unlike some of his supporters here -- these flames and snark do not serve him.

And you inferring that I'm some sort of liar, that I'm manipulating for Hillary's profit -- yes, it makes me sad. You're wrong. You're absolutely so fucking wrong.

I don't think you're sorry at all. And Bernie deserves better.

I didn't say a word about Hillary. What my comment was directed towards is the passive aggressive disingenuous nature of your OP. And I stand by that as MANY others have in this thread.

Now, do a search Byronius. Find 1, ONE post that I have made trashing Hillary Clinton. I'll wait.

I didn't know that poster from jack until this op, now I'll always associate them with it.

I guess they didn't like my little work story.

I hope you're happy with yourself.

You called me a 'faux fundy' indirectly on my own thread, as if I'm not even a real person, just a faceless evildoer of some kind. Now you insist that I'm dishonorable. I haven't suggested that you have personally trashed Hillary. What?

Truly, all of this sucks. At least you're responding somewhat, I suppose.

All right, I give up. Gib's Auf, as Kafka said. You all win, so very much.

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Do you really expect us to believe that you were trying to start an honest dialog?

If you wanted people to take you seriously you should have checked yourself before you wrecked yourself.

But keep insulting the people who responded to your insults with more insults.

You're really helping dude.

You win. You're the best.

Dude, reread your own op, if you're getting flack there's the reason.

It's not even about Bernie, this is the same result you'd get if you insulted any group of people on DU - pit bull owners, people who had their sons circumcised, smokers, Olive Garden patrons, Walmart shoppers...

Seriously, you've been here long enough to know better.

Posts flame bait and now complains that they're getting roundly flamed in return.

And I've been roundly put in my place.

Calling for civil discourse -- ur doin it wrong.

Major fail.

Pretty lame. I know who I support and believe in and no way is any internet forum going to change my commitment or loyalty.

This is the Democratic Underground. It counts. It means something to me. I learn. I grow. It has changed me in many ways. I respect it, even if you don't.

My point was that Bernie is clearly choosing not to go negative; he and Hillary are friends. Vitriolic assignations of dire intent on her part based on logical assumptions I do not buy are not 'policy' debates. Bernie would not support these allegations; he sticks to the facts. Going negative would be mistake for him, he knows it. All this Hillary-hatred serves Hillary, that is my point.

You know, a lot of knee-jerk bile being spewed at me for this post. I love Bernie, I just don't hate Hillary, and so I must be vilified. Makes me wonder what the baser motivations of my fellow Bernie-supporters are -- it all smacks of primal tribe-exclusion.

I'll probably vote for Bernie anyway, because I choose to. But Hillary-hatred is a thing that will doom his campaign if it gets meme-legs. Mock me if you want, but this is Politics 101. I want him to win, but there is a perverse psychological effect at work here -- I am repelled by mean-mouthed holier-than-thous, and they seem to be swarming lately, all on the 'side of Bernie'.

I don't think you understood the point of my post at all. Maybe read it again.

I too enjoy reading everything via the mechanism of literalism rather than grasping an obvious point...

With supporters like you, Bernie's got the smack-talkers vote sewn up. Great job.

Purity tests backed up with snark and troll-accusations -- yeah, winning strategy.

Bernie would tell you to stop it. 'Cause he's actually got a real head on his shoulders. Talks to people. Reaches out. Tries.

You? Not so much. I read small and mean.

"I was leaning toward the Dem, but you guys were trash-talking Jeb, so now I'm gonna vote for Jeb! Nanny nanny boo boo!"

Mean. Mean mean mean mean mean. And a dull-witted political strategy.

Bernie's a better person than you, dude, that's why I'll vote for him even though most of his supporters on this board appear to be five years old.

Your behaviour is every bit as childish as anything else I've seen here.

The only difference is you seem to think you're above the fray.

"OMG, the Bernie supporters are sooooooo mean. They make me want vote for Hillary, even though I was leaning toward Bernie."

What crap. You never were leaning toward Bernie. If you were actually interested in Bernie's message, you would listen to what he is saying, rather than what anonymous posters on a partisan Internet message board are saying.

I certainly don't vote for someone based on what anonymous posters on an Internet discussion board say. I vote for someone based on how close they reflect my own beliefs and desires. Your story sounds contrived and deserves the derision that it gets.

... can control your thinking and behavior?

Doesn't seem very rational to me, but if that's how you roll, do what ya gotta do.

It is both sides.



Me, back to news story writing (and transcription)

I make the point to attempt some call for civil discourse, ESPECIALLY from Bernie supporters, from whom I expected better. Bernie knows that this kind of divisive rhetoric will polarize and insure Hillary's victory, and this forum is an important microcosm of what's going to happen nationwide.

Bernie would tell the commenters on this thread to back off and behave. Purity tests and paranoia are not the path. Ascribing devious motives and hurtful intent to someone pointing out that flame-wars serve no one but Scott Walker is a major FAIL. I am up to nothing but asking for civil discourse, ESPECIALLY from the best candidate, who may yet draw enough moderates to win this thing -- unless his 'supporters' turn on them, which they have in this thread.

The dialogue matters. This board matters. Human perception matters. To say otherwise is blithering idiocy.

Sorry that you missed over two years of hostility, spite, threats, rage, and bile spewed at any poster on this board who identifies as left, or ever dared to say "I'd rather have a different candidate than Clinton." Forgive us if we're a bit snappish, when day after day we see accusations that a candidate we support is hysterical racist gun nut who is unelectable because he's Jewish and doesn't have his lips wrapped around some semi-floppy Koch. We might be a little on edge due to the constant harassment by sock puppets, trolls and repeatedly-banned morons who throw that stupid libertarian recruitment Square at us. Of course after seeing people who hoped for Warren to run being labeled "rapists," after watching people who don't want weddigns to be blown up by robots labeled "haters," and after seeing fake supporters of women and POC happily cheer those peoples' deaths so long as a certain candidate can claim some responsibility for it, we might be just a little edgy.

I am sorry that we do not meet your standards for supporters of a candidate you would support. i am certain you will find that the clinton supporters meet your expectations of saintliness, however. Happy days to you, sir.

Just perfect Scoot!.

I'm most likely to vote for the candidate who most closely represents my views, regardless of what other people say about him/her.

"of all the quality candidates running." Those of us paying attention know how many that amounts too.

The ones associating him with racism and rape fantasies were vomit inducing enough to remind me of 2008.

You seem to be very selective with your outrage and condemnation.

Why is that?

Recs for Hillary. No recs for Bernie. He should have, as he said "Checked himself... before he wrecked himself"

I don't know what's worse, the hypocrisy or the insult to our intelligence.

You know, I didn't see the anti-Bernie posts that have apparently sent this place over the fucking edge. I rec positive news for any Democratic candidate, and I'll likely vote for Bernie no matter what. Attempting to divine my politics by my recommends is foolish and small-minded, and I can tell you that you are wrong.

I stopped recommending for Bernie and started recommending for Hillary when I began to see posts suggesting that Hillary is the servant of Satan. My post was an attempt to point out the critical psychology behind this admittedly non-logical tendency of mine -- Bernie has said emphatically that he's not going to run a negative campaign against Hillary, that they are in fact friends.

Gotta say, you hurt my feelings pretty bad there. Was that your intent? You succeeded. Great job. So wise and thoughtful.

Nobody gets by your purity test, apparently. You're just too smart.

The administrators set it up that way. You have recommended a few actually 4 Bernie posts since I looked and replied to your OP yesterday so here's a from me on that.

Ignorance is not an excuse, you chose to insult and lecture one group of supporters and now you're complaining about the backlash.

What were we supposed to think?

That you were trying to encourage civility?

And I WAS gonna vote for Bernie. And I WILL if he gets the nomination.

Whoever gets the nomination gets my vote.

Team Hillary and team Bernie on DU are both guilty of smearing Democratic candidates. The election's a year and a half away and much can change in that time.

The pukes have been attacking Hillary for YEARS and now they're attacking Bernie. Personally I think they do enough smearing for everyone, and you know they watch what goes on here (when their operatives aren't trolling).

You are immediately attacked by Bernie fans.

Sorry friend. Just ride it out till the primaries. That will separate the BS from the reality.

Frankly I don't see attacking very much... A lot of disbelief though... Some chuckling and a bit of amazement. But no attacking. Sorry.

Bernie Sanders. Condemned by a packed jury of Bernie supporters.

Maybe u get lucky and one person is a Hillary or OMalley supporter and gives u a break but it's not enough to save you so you get a hide.

Then you get a few of those and poof you just dissappear and all is well again in the Bernie Underground.

I can't wait for the primaries!

I have served on a lot of juries lately. I guess there are just more alerts at this time. The Bernie supporters seem to be judging alerted posts based on their partisan feelings more than on the content of the posts. This place is worse than I have seen it in any of the other primaries. People need to grow up.

by some of Hillary's Number One fans? This cute little bouncy has been done already. We all know who is and has been supporting who. All anyone has to do is look on your profile. Your Rec's to be specific, it's all there who you support dude. Next time go through and un rec all the Hillary OPs and you might want to rec a few OPs about Bernie to go along with all the ones on Hillary you have recommended, just to make your bouncy a little bit more believable. Nice try. There's an old saying. Don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining. I can tell the difference.

Smack dab in the middle once again.