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instead of to the down and out to minister to the up and out.
When I read these two paragraphs my very first thought was that this movement that started in the 1930s was relevant to how the 1% have come into power.
It appears to be relevant to the constant efforts to cut programs to the poor, needy, and elderly while all the while enriching the coffers of the very rich.
From The Week:
DC's 'invisible army' for Christ
What does the Family believe?
Its theology is vague, elastic, and focused on power. The basic precepts came to Vereide in a vision in 1935, according to the groups literature. Living in Seattle, he came to believe that union organizing in the city was communist-inspired. Jesus appeared to him in the form of the president of U.S. Steel, who told him to gather key menprominent businessmen and political leadersto beat back the unions in His name. Vereides recruiting efforts spread eastward, and in 1941 he arrived in Washington, where he began cultivating friendships with powerful people and setting up prayer groups. By then, Vereide was convinced that conventional Christianity had it backwards: Instead of ministering to the down-and-out, Jesus wanted believers to tend to the up-and-outmembers of Americas elite who lacked intimacy with Jesus. In Vereides worldview, free-market capitalism is divinely ordained, and unions and regulations are a form of blasphemy.
There's more from In These Times:
Scandal-linked The Family Says: Jesus Wants You to Bust Unions
One night, while lying in bed fretting about socialists, Wobblies, and a Swedish Communist who, he was sure, planned to bring Seattle under the control of Moscow, Vereide received a visitation: a voice, and a light in the dark, bright and blinding. The next day he met a friend, a wealthy businessman and former major, and the two men agreed upon a spiritual plan. They enlisted nineteen business executives in a weekly breakfast meeting and together they prayed, convinced that Jesus alone could redeem Seattle and crush the radical unions. They wanted to give Jesus a vessel, and so they asked God to raise up a leader. One of their number, a city councilman named Arthur Langlie, stood and said, I am ready to let God use me. Langlie was made first mayor and later governor, backed in both campaigns by money and muscle from his prayer-breakfast friends, whose number had rapidly multiplied.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'm terrible at remembering whom I reply to
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Can't copy paste, but there are several pages available with some skipped in between
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I have to admit, they had a good thing going as far as getting people on-board. There are things to learn in there about how to organize!
aspirant
(3,533 posts)union-haters and worker destroying beliefs?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The Family is the "Christian" Cult that Hillary attended weekly bible readings and prayer services at. She praised the leader Douglas Coe in her book.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Duh.
This shit is never ending.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I think there are "members" and those who take part in some ways. I think Hillary is the latter.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)There is just a whole lot of false guilt by association see Hillary' potential position on gays in Africa, now part of your thread.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I just try to monitor myself.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)when she was attending their meetings - what was she trying to do? They are still the same group that organized in the 1930s to destroy everything FDR stood for. Everything the Democratic Party stood for. It is possible she did not know that history - I did not.
This group is our enemy. Then and now. Was it just a photo op for her - that I can understand if she did not know the history. She needs to address this - especially if there is a book out there. This cannot be swept under the rug. We have been living in their nightmare since the 1980s we need to understand where they are coming from.
To most of us the Family has just been a crazy bunch of religious freaks - nothing more.
They are the prosperity preachers who tell us that God punishes the poor while blessing the true Christians with riches. These are the Calvinists who run governments across the country that do nothing to help the poor in states like Kansas, Texas and Louisiana because it is God's will. You may not want anyone to know this but it is important to expose this.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)is that why you're posting too?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Threads dissing Hillary and the Bernie Group seem to be your comfort zones. On that not did you watch that new show tonight? The Whispers... you'd love it. Lots of conflicting messages and having to look within to understand it.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And HooptieWagon mentioned she praised Coe in a book. He didn't say she supported anti-gay legislation, as you falsely claimed he did.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I just think it's really interesting what gets thrown around here.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Do you believe "The Family" cult will go on forever?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)Oh you mean revealing the TRUTH will go on forever, I sure hope so
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Really Hillary is anti gay rights in Uganda... news to me.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Do you have false subjective misinterpretations too?
Can you specifically point out in this thread where anyone can be quoted in saying "Hillary is anti gay rights in Uganda" other than you.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)So where are the false connections?
This is "news to me"
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)you are talking about.
Until tomorrow night.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)I wish you pleasant dreams without "The Family's" infiltrators.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)promote the anti gay laws and action, they march in the street for those laws. Francis has told his followers that fighting LGBT rights is 'God's war which we must fight' and Uganda listens to him.
The thing is, when you have more than one group doing something very wrong and you hold up one for recrimination while the other is met with lavish praise, that's not the truth being told, that's an agenda being pushed.
The OP gets upset at LGBT people and pro Choice people who are critical of the Pope for doing the exact same things the Fellowship and others do in Africa.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)if you're wealthy it's because you're a better person and god wants you to be wealthy. if you're poor it's beucase god hates you and wants you to be poor. So if god favors the wealthy over ht poor in all cases, then whatever the wealthy do to the poor is divinely mandated, as is the quest for wealth by all and any means.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'll pass on that!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)At work.
Paka
(2,760 posts)that this is what Jesus believed. Forget all that "Sermon on the Mount stuff."
Yeah, I know what you mean.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I believe that's in the Second Epistle to the Chase Board of Directors, chapter 7, verse 3 (right after the cautionary parable about how the liberals destroyed a kid's lemonade stand with regulatory burdens).
marym625
(17,997 posts)Just really scary, frightening stuff.
I remember when this stuff started to be known by the public. Found it really interesting how quickly and easily it was quashed
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)That's one way of hushing stuff up. Of course it is not.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Just much more than a theory.
But yeah, say those words and people run.
Always found it weird that some people don't understand that conspiracies actually happen. The entire plan to start the war in Iraq was a conspiracy. But I digress
brewens
(13,673 posts)Pledge of Allegiance. Of course I get a response like the kids nowadays need religion more than they ever have from right-wingers. It's always been like that though. The country was always going to hell and the kids were always no good punks, in the eyes of some people.
It's easy to have that attitude when you see some of the kids though. I saw these two guys, all pierced and tatted up at the store the other day. They looked tanned and in shape though. Probably freakin' roofers or concrete guys getting beers after a hard day!
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Very scary people. And a lot of prominent Senators, Congressmen, and politicians are members. My own "Democratic" Senator, Bill Nelson is one. James Inhofe, John Ensign, Tom Coburn, among many others.
They believe that God appoints leaders, all the way from Stalin, Hitler, Idi Amin, Moammar Khadafy, etc,......and since they were God-selected, they are not answerable to anyone other than God for their actions and policies. It helps explain the whole John Ensign sex affair, with all his "Family" buddies, like Tom Coburn supporting him all the way.
It's also a reason that you'll see some of the most blood-thirsty dictators on the planet appearing at their National Prayer Breakfast.
I could give a lot more info, but I loaned the book out, and never got it back. But it should be required reading for those who really want to know their God-appointed leaders.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It's shocking to see how the world's cruelest dictators are accepted in spite of their actions.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)By definition?...since it is in opposition to the teachings of Jesus?
Or is he saying that the bible is wrong?
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Enthusiast
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DiverDave
(4,895 posts)That is called schizophrenia. we have drugs for that.
I suggest that anyone claiming to hear voices of people that aren't there
should be forcibly committed.
It's a lie and a scam. There are no voices from 'god'.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Are all members politicians?
No. While members include Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley, former Secretary of State James Baker, and former Attorney General Edwin Meese, many business leaders and military officers are also involved. We work with power where we can, Doug Coe, 81, the groups leader since 1969, said in a rare interview in 2002, and build power where we cant. The Familys only high-profile endeavor is the National Prayer Breakfast, at which world leaders gather each year in Washington for a morning of nondenominational worship; but the Family always stays in the background, and many participants have no idea that the group is even involved.
http://theweek.com/articles/503433/dcs-invisible-army-christ
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I'll give him points for creativity.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Such strange things happen when men need a power play.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I tried to look this up. I see that someone named James A Farrell was president of US Steel until 1932. I do not know who replaced him.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)And their first president? Charles Schwab. This was all back in the early 1900's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Steel
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Turbineguy
(37,420 posts)Jesus, he's the guy who said "....the first shall be last and the last shall be first..." Right?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)They have totally turned it around.
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)Vereide and Ayn Rand have made a monster.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It was inside my head. It's called "Reason."
The Family, The Order (which really bothers them when an outsider speaks it) or whatever their name is deserves scrutiny, just for the Secrecy Pledges and oaths to conservative causes masquerading as Theology:
Know your BFEE: The Fellowship Preys for America
When it comes to controlling the masses, it's weird how history echoes forward.
Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception
What a coincidence. Thanks for standing up to these undemocratic stooges, madfloridian.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I remember the first one when you posted it...great post.
I missed the one about Leo Strauss. Will read it now.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I know that sounds kind of sketchy, but to reiterate, it's not my idea--it's God's idea.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)That made me chuckle.
LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)or Jesus - it was Satan.