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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:42 PM Jun 2015

Voice told the "Family" founder to bust unions. And Jesus said minister to members of "elite:...

instead of to the down and out to minister to the up and out.

When I read these two paragraphs my very first thought was that this movement that started in the 1930s was relevant to how the 1% have come into power.

It appears to be relevant to the constant efforts to cut programs to the poor, needy, and elderly while all the while enriching the coffers of the very rich.

From The Week:

DC's 'invisible army' for Christ

What does the Family believe?

Its theology is vague, elastic, and focused on power. The basic precepts came to Vereide in a vision in 1935, according to the group’s literature. Living in Seattle, he came to believe that union organizing in the city was communist-inspired. Jesus appeared to him in the form of the president of U.S. Steel, who told him to gather “key men”—prominent businessmen and political leaders—to beat back the unions in His name. Vereide’s recruiting efforts spread eastward, and in 1941 he arrived in Washington, where he began cultivating friendships with powerful people and setting up prayer groups. By then, Vereide was convinced that conventional Christianity had it backwards: Instead of ministering to the down-and-out, Jesus wanted believers to tend to the “up-and-out”—members of America’s elite who lacked intimacy with Jesus. In Vereide’s worldview, free-market capitalism is divinely ordained, and unions and regulations are a form of blasphemy.


There's more from In These Times:

Scandal-linked “The Family” Says: Jesus Wants You to Bust Unions

One night, while lying in bed fretting about socialists, Wobblies, and a Swedish Communist who, he was sure, planned to bring Seattle under the control of Moscow, Vereide received a visitation: a voice, and a light in the dark, bright and blinding. The next day he met a friend, a wealthy businessman and former major, and the two men agreed upon a spiritual plan. They enlisted nineteen business executives in a weekly breakfast meeting and together they prayed, convinced that Jesus alone could redeem Seattle and crush the radical unions. They wanted to give Jesus a vessel, and so they asked God to raise up a leader. One of their number, a city councilman named Arthur Langlie, stood and said, “I am ready to let God use me.” Langlie was made first mayor and later governor, backed in both campaigns by money and muscle from his prayer-breakfast friends, whose number had rapidly multiplied.
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Voice told the "Family" founder to bust unions. And Jesus said minister to members of "elite:... (Original Post) madfloridian Jun 2015 OP
Was it you I was discussing that new book with? On this topic? arcane1 Jun 2015 #1
Yes, I meant to save a paragraph from the new book referring to Vereides. Gotta find it again. madfloridian Jun 2015 #2
From Google books, One Nation Under God, some excerpts madfloridian Jun 2015 #3
It is still simultaneously kicking my ass and pissing me off. Always a good sign :) arcane1 Jun 2015 #11
So this cult promotes aspirant Jun 2015 #4
And they've help write horrible anti-gay legislation in African countries. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #6
Yes and she clearly also supports anti-gay legislation in Africa. Agschmid Jun 2015 #8
Please note I did NOT mention Hillary. I tied the Vereide's philosophy to the 1% policy today. madfloridian Jun 2015 #12
No you didn't I'll give you that, but the dog whistle blew and here they come a runnin'... Agschmid Jun 2015 #14
That is how things are. Truth still must be talked about. madfloridian Jun 2015 #18
Sure, I'll agree on that. Agschmid Jun 2015 #19
Unfortunately that happens on all threads. madfloridian Jun 2015 #22
Yup. Agschmid Jun 2015 #23
This is not only about what is happening to gays in Africa. If she knew the history of this group jwirr Jun 2015 #55
"dog whistle" aspirant Jun 2015 #20
Well you and me both I guess. Agschmid Jun 2015 #21
"They"? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #24
It's not a false claim, I didn't make it, didn't you see the sarcasm tag? Agschmid Jun 2015 #27
"never ending" aspirant Jun 2015 #15
I believe you misinterpreted my phrase... Agschmid Jun 2015 #17
"this shit" aspirant Jun 2015 #25
The truth or the false connections? Agschmid Jun 2015 #26
"misinterpretations" aspirant Jun 2015 #31
Can you point out where I said she supports it? Agschmid Jun 2015 #32
"the truth or false connections" aspirant Jun 2015 #33
Unfortunately I always end up talking to you late at night and I never have any idea what... Agschmid Jun 2015 #34
Good night aspirant Jun 2015 #36
That won't be a problem. Agschmid Jun 2015 #37
So does the RCC, and the OP adores the Pope, leader of 44% of Uganda, whose Bishops openly Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #43
It's the Calvinist elect philosophy Scootaloo Jun 2015 #10
And the more poor you are, and the greater your burden and suffering, the greater your reward. arcane1 Jun 2015 #16
Exactly. This is what is important to know about the Family. jwirr Jun 2015 #57
The invisible fist. Rex Jun 2015 #5
Because it is very clear in the New Testament Paka Jun 2015 #7
..... madfloridian Jun 2015 #9
And what did He think He was doing feeding all those people and healing the sick? jwirr Jun 2015 #58
Cursed are the poor, for they are lazy? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #67
scary stuff marym625 Jun 2015 #13
All they had to do was to call it a conspiracy theory. madfloridian Jun 2015 #54
The whole thing is a conspiracy marym625 Jun 2015 #69
I like to point out that our guys helped win two world wars before "under god" was added to the brewens Jun 2015 #28
I read "The Family" by Jeff Sharlett several years ago. Fuddnik Jun 2015 #29
It's a hard slow read, and a very uncomfortable one. madfloridian Jun 2015 #42
Would that not make him an anti christ? zeemike Jun 2015 #30
Bingo. jwirr Jun 2015 #59
Are the TPP tribunals divine ordained law? aspirant Jun 2015 #35
They might well be. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #39
Hearing voices? DiverDave Jun 2015 #38
Can you see how sick these fuckers are? I hope we can all agree on that. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #40
This cult must become toxic to all aspirant Jun 2015 #41
Not just politicians... madfloridian Jun 2015 #44
Jesus says the damndest things nt LiberalElite Jun 2015 #45
.... madfloridian Jun 2015 #48
Just add flavoring and sugar seveneyes Jun 2015 #46
Jesus came to him in the form of the president of US Steel. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #47
Amazing, isn't it? madfloridian Jun 2015 #49
Deus ex corporate fixer? nt DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #63
Who was the president of US Steel in the 30s? jwirr Jun 2015 #61
Jesus? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #62
Andrew Carnegie would be my guess but that is wrong. He was born in 1835. jwirr Jun 2015 #64
The Wikipedia article says USS was started with the sale of Carnegie Steel to JP Morgan DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #65
The god these creeps worship is the god of hate. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #50
Jesus wants them to bust Unions? Turbineguy Jun 2015 #51
Amazing how they have messed up the real message of Jesus. madfloridian Jun 2015 #53
So ... if Vereide had gotten treatment for mental illness, Right Wing as we know it wouldn't exist. Freelancer Jun 2015 #52
A ''Voice'' told me to kick this thread. Octafish Jun 2015 #56
Thank goodness for that voice, Octafish. Great links. madfloridian Jun 2015 #60
God hates unions. Also, he wants everyone in this thread to send me $100. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #66
lol madfloridian Jun 2015 #70
That wasn't a visit from God LibertyLover Jun 2015 #68
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. Was it you I was discussing that new book with? On this topic?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:45 PM
Jun 2015

I'm terrible at remembering whom I reply to

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
11. It is still simultaneously kicking my ass and pissing me off. Always a good sign :)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:23 AM
Jun 2015

I have to admit, they had a good thing going as far as getting people on-board. There are things to learn in there about how to organize!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
6. And they've help write horrible anti-gay legislation in African countries.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:09 AM
Jun 2015

The Family is the "Christian" Cult that Hillary attended weekly bible readings and prayer services at. She praised the leader Douglas Coe in her book.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
18. That is how things are. Truth still must be talked about.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:28 AM
Jun 2015

I think there are "members" and those who take part in some ways. I think Hillary is the latter.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
19. Sure, I'll agree on that.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:29 AM
Jun 2015

There is just a whole lot of false guilt by association see Hillary' potential position on gays in Africa, now part of your thread.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
55. This is not only about what is happening to gays in Africa. If she knew the history of this group
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jun 2015

when she was attending their meetings - what was she trying to do? They are still the same group that organized in the 1930s to destroy everything FDR stood for. Everything the Democratic Party stood for. It is possible she did not know that history - I did not.

This group is our enemy. Then and now. Was it just a photo op for her - that I can understand if she did not know the history. She needs to address this - especially if there is a book out there. This cannot be swept under the rug. We have been living in their nightmare since the 1980s we need to understand where they are coming from.

To most of us the Family has just been a crazy bunch of religious freaks - nothing more.

They are the prosperity preachers who tell us that God punishes the poor while blessing the true Christians with riches. These are the Calvinists who run governments across the country that do nothing to help the poor in states like Kansas, Texas and Louisiana because it is God's will. You may not want anyone to know this but it is important to expose this.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
21. Well you and me both I guess.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:31 AM
Jun 2015

Threads dissing Hillary and the Bernie Group seem to be your comfort zones. On that not did you watch that new show tonight? The Whispers... you'd love it. Lots of conflicting messages and having to look within to understand it.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
24. "They"?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:33 AM
Jun 2015

And HooptieWagon mentioned she praised Coe in a book. He didn't say she supported anti-gay legislation, as you falsely claimed he did.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
27. It's not a false claim, I didn't make it, didn't you see the sarcasm tag?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:40 AM
Jun 2015

I just think it's really interesting what gets thrown around here.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
31. "misinterpretations"
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:14 AM
Jun 2015

Do you have false subjective misinterpretations too?

Can you specifically point out in this thread where anyone can be quoted in saying "Hillary is anti gay rights in Uganda" other than you.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
34. Unfortunately I always end up talking to you late at night and I never have any idea what...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:48 AM
Jun 2015

you are talking about.

Until tomorrow night.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
43. So does the RCC, and the OP adores the Pope, leader of 44% of Uganda, whose Bishops openly
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jun 2015

promote the anti gay laws and action, they march in the street for those laws. Francis has told his followers that fighting LGBT rights is 'God's war which we must fight' and Uganda listens to him.

The thing is, when you have more than one group doing something very wrong and you hold up one for recrimination while the other is met with lavish praise, that's not the truth being told, that's an agenda being pushed.

The OP gets upset at LGBT people and pro Choice people who are critical of the Pope for doing the exact same things the Fellowship and others do in Africa.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
10. It's the Calvinist elect philosophy
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:22 AM
Jun 2015

if you're wealthy it's because you're a better person and god wants you to be wealthy. if you're poor it's beucase god hates you and wants you to be poor. So if god favors the wealthy over ht poor in all cases, then whatever the wealthy do to the poor is divinely mandated, as is the quest for wealth by all and any means.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
16. And the more poor you are, and the greater your burden and suffering, the greater your reward.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:25 AM
Jun 2015

I'll pass on that!

Paka

(2,760 posts)
7. Because it is very clear in the New Testament
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:17 AM
Jun 2015

that this is what Jesus believed. Forget all that "Sermon on the Mount stuff."

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
67. Cursed are the poor, for they are lazy?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jun 2015

I believe that's in the Second Epistle to the Chase Board of Directors, chapter 7, verse 3 (right after the cautionary parable about how the liberals destroyed a kid's lemonade stand with regulatory burdens).

marym625

(17,997 posts)
13. scary stuff
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:24 AM
Jun 2015

Just really scary, frightening stuff.

I remember when this stuff started to be known by the public. Found it really interesting how quickly and easily it was quashed

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
54. All they had to do was to call it a conspiracy theory.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jun 2015

That's one way of hushing stuff up. Of course it is not.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
69. The whole thing is a conspiracy
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jun 2015

Just much more than a theory.

But yeah, say those words and people run.

Always found it weird that some people don't understand that conspiracies actually happen. The entire plan to start the war in Iraq was a conspiracy. But I digress

brewens

(13,673 posts)
28. I like to point out that our guys helped win two world wars before "under god" was added to the
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jun 2015

Pledge of Allegiance. Of course I get a response like the kids nowadays need religion more than they ever have from right-wingers. It's always been like that though. The country was always going to hell and the kids were always no good punks, in the eyes of some people.

It's easy to have that attitude when you see some of the kids though. I saw these two guys, all pierced and tatted up at the store the other day. They looked tanned and in shape though. Probably freakin' roofers or concrete guys getting beers after a hard day!

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
29. I read "The Family" by Jeff Sharlett several years ago.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:02 AM
Jun 2015

Very scary people. And a lot of prominent Senators, Congressmen, and politicians are members. My own "Democratic" Senator, Bill Nelson is one. James Inhofe, John Ensign, Tom Coburn, among many others.

They believe that God appoints leaders, all the way from Stalin, Hitler, Idi Amin, Moammar Khadafy, etc,......and since they were God-selected, they are not answerable to anyone other than God for their actions and policies. It helps explain the whole John Ensign sex affair, with all his "Family" buddies, like Tom Coburn supporting him all the way.

It's also a reason that you'll see some of the most blood-thirsty dictators on the planet appearing at their National Prayer Breakfast.

I could give a lot more info, but I loaned the book out, and never got it back. But it should be required reading for those who really want to know their God-appointed leaders.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
42. It's a hard slow read, and a very uncomfortable one.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:50 AM
Jun 2015

It's shocking to see how the world's cruelest dictators are accepted in spite of their actions.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
30. Would that not make him an anti christ?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:07 AM
Jun 2015

By definition?...since it is in opposition to the teachings of Jesus?
Or is he saying that the bible is wrong?

DiverDave

(4,895 posts)
38. Hearing voices?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:27 AM
Jun 2015

That is called schizophrenia. we have drugs for that.
I suggest that anyone claiming to hear voices of people that aren't there
should be forcibly committed.
It's a lie and a scam. There are no voices from 'god'.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
44. Not just politicians...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:38 AM
Jun 2015
Are all members politicians?

No. While members include Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley, former Secretary of State James Baker, and former Attorney General Edwin Meese, many business leaders and military officers are also involved. “We work with power where we can,” Doug Coe, 81, the group’s leader since 1969, said in a rare interview in 2002, “and build power where we can’t.” The Family’s only high-profile endeavor is the National Prayer Breakfast, at which world leaders gather each year in Washington for a morning of nondenominational worship; but the Family always stays in the background, and many participants have no idea that the group is even involved.


http://theweek.com/articles/503433/dcs-invisible-army-christ
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
62. Jesus?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:43 PM
Jun 2015

I tried to look this up. I see that someone named James A Farrell was president of US Steel until 1932. I do not know who replaced him.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
65. The Wikipedia article says USS was started with the sale of Carnegie Steel to JP Morgan
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:53 PM
Jun 2015

And their first president? Charles Schwab. This was all back in the early 1900's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Steel

Turbineguy

(37,420 posts)
51. Jesus wants them to bust Unions?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jun 2015

Jesus, he's the guy who said "....the first shall be last and the last shall be first..." Right?

Freelancer

(2,107 posts)
52. So ... if Vereide had gotten treatment for mental illness, Right Wing as we know it wouldn't exist.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jun 2015

Vereide and Ayn Rand have made a monster.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
56. A ''Voice'' told me to kick this thread.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:03 PM
Jun 2015

It was inside my head. It's called "Reason."

The Family, The Order (which really bothers them when an outsider speaks it) or whatever their name is deserves scrutiny, just for the Secrecy Pledges and oaths to conservative causes masquerading as Theology:

Know your BFEE: The Fellowship ‘Preys’ for America

When it comes to controlling the masses, it's weird how history echoes forward.

Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception

What a coincidence. Thanks for standing up to these undemocratic stooges, madfloridian.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
60. Thank goodness for that voice, Octafish. Great links.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jun 2015

I remember the first one when you posted it...great post.

I missed the one about Leo Strauss. Will read it now.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
66. God hates unions. Also, he wants everyone in this thread to send me $100.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jun 2015

I know that sounds kind of sketchy, but to reiterate, it's not my idea--it's God's idea.

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