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Maybe a lot of the Hillary hate is sexist... (Original Post) boston bean Jun 2015 OP
Except for the huge overlap with Warren supporters... Bonobo Jun 2015 #1
+1 nt Javaman Jun 2015 #18
of course some of the idiots out there will be hateful misogynists.. marym625 Jun 2015 #2
There are two groups who oppose Hillary el_bryanto Jun 2015 #3
+1 demmiblue Jun 2015 #4
Yes. nt LWolf Jun 2015 #7
Spot on. The pro-Hillary folks try to conflate the two groups so as to create KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #12
You can include me in the latter group n/t deutsey Jun 2015 #15
And a third group, NO MORE DYNASTIES! NO BUSH NO CLINTON! snooper2 Jun 2015 #21
+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #24
+1000 LittleBlue Jun 2015 #38
+ another Scuba Jun 2015 #43
"How to campaign as a woman" - ugh cyberswede Jun 2015 #5
Yeah, none of it has anything to do with those 1,000,000+ dead Iraqi civilians. It's all KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #6
+1000. GGJohn Jun 2015 #9
GG, I think this may be the start of a beautiful friendship! :) - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #14
I do believe you are correct. GGJohn Jun 2015 #19
My all-time favorite line from my all-time favorite movie ("Casablanca"). I plan KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #20
My dislike for her isn't personal, nor is it because of sexism, GGJohn Jun 2015 #8
Your link is a real hoot! Talk about specious!(having a false look of truth or genuineness) Divernan Jun 2015 #10
I read the article and your OP doesn't do it, or Hillary, justice. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #11
Pretty much a bunk article. earthside Jun 2015 #13
K&R! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #16
Being criticized for taking corporate $$$ for speeches isn't sexist. Invalidates the rest. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #17
When folks who strongly supported John Kerry bitterly denounce Hillary's IWR vote, Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #22
Why assume "hate"? For some of us she is simply second or third choice TBF Jun 2015 #23
Or maybe not. PDittie Jun 2015 #25
I suspect those with "mother" issues probably project them on her. McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #26
yeah those who wanted warren to run and now support sanders are totally sexist Robbins Jun 2015 #27
That is the dumbest thing I've read all day. The day, however, is young.... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #28
Mother issues - doesn't explain Liz Warren. djean111 Jun 2015 #29
Exactly. I support Bernie because he reminds me of FDR. And I see his issues in the same ballpark. jwirr Jun 2015 #40
It can't be sexism BainsBane Jun 2015 #30
Flag firmly planted... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #31
Maybe a lot of the Sanders hate is anti-Semitism. Marr Jun 2015 #32
Maybe? While I don't believe that, it is as fair to say that as to say we are all sexist because we jwirr Jun 2015 #41
I am not a Hillary supporter MuseRider Jun 2015 #33
I think that if she wins then that statement will make a lot of sense. The Rs are not pro-woman. jwirr Jun 2015 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #34
Things must be pretty bad if they're rolling out the accusations of sexism so early in the game. frylock Jun 2015 #36
Of course it is ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #35
In summary, you clearly have mommy issues if you take exception.. frylock Jun 2015 #37
Maybe maybe maybe and maybe not..... Not the best way to raise a topic. yellowcanine Jun 2015 #39

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
1. Except for the huge overlap with Warren supporters...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:44 AM
Jun 2015

That kinda deflates a lot of the argument I think.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
2. of course some of the idiots out there will be hateful misogynists..
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:45 AM
Jun 2015

But my dislike for her has absolutely zero to do with her sex

Actually, that's not completely true. Her welfare reform hurt women greatly. As a woman that expected more from a woman, I resent that.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
3. There are two groups who oppose Hillary
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:45 AM
Jun 2015

Those on the right wing who clearly are motivated by, among other things, sexism. Their attitudes about her were fixed back in the 1990s when her Husband was the President. If she is our candidate than these sexist attacks will increase and intensify, and we will have to be willing and ready to call them out.

On the other those on the left of Hillary Clinton oppose her policies. Yes they may occasionally use some gendered attacks at DU, and that shouldn't be acceptable, but she has been in the public eye for years. She has a record, and we know what it is. Opposing her because her record is one of centrism and third way/DLC style politics isn't sexist. It's opposing her on her record.

Bryant

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
12. Spot on. The pro-Hillary folks try to conflate the two groups so as to create
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jun 2015

the false equivalence between them, thereby stifling and suppressing the concerns of the latter group (the leftists).

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
20. My all-time favorite line from my all-time favorite movie ("Casablanca"). I plan
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:00 AM
Jun 2015

to re-watch it tonight or tomorrow. I try to watch it at least once per year, to keep my humanity and sense of romance alive. (Also does not hurt that it's strongly anti-fascist.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
8. My dislike for her isn't personal, nor is it because of sexism,
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:02 AM
Jun 2015

it's because of her vote to allow Bush to illegally invade Iraq, her lie about coming under sniper fire in Bosnia.

Bernie is my choice for the primaries.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
10. Your link is a real hoot! Talk about specious!(having a false look of truth or genuineness)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:07 AM
Jun 2015

Thanks for the hearty laugh of reading it.

One example:

She experienced sexist media coverage during her 2008 run for president, such as unfair comments about her age or physical appearance. In 2010, a reporter in Kyrgyzstan asked her, “What designers do you prefer?” and then admitted he wouldn’t have asked a man the same question.


Kyrgyzstan? Give me a break!

Then when she and Bill are jointly critiqued/questioned re their speech fees:

A recent Washington Post article revealed Clinton and husband Bill have been paid $25 million for delivering 104 speeches since 2016. The Post article and other critics have blasted Clinton for blurring the “line between personal and political” by having close ties with companies who previously paid for speeches and now may be donating directly to her campaign.


And then the article whines about an op ed piece discussing Clinton's "baggage"? Let's call it history. When we bring up negative history about male candidates of either party, are we accused of sexism?

And oh! quelle horreur! Maureen Dowd (also a WOMAN) criticized HRC:
“can’t figure out how to campaign as a woman.” Dowd also said Clinton “scrubbed out the femininity, vulnerability, and heart” in her 2008 campaign because she felt she needed to prove a woman could be commander-in-chief.
Dowd then went on to say Clinton “saw the foolishness of acting like a masculine woman defending the Iraq invasion after she fell behind to a feminized man denouncing it.”

Quite legitimate points brought up by another
WOMAN.
Finally, note the photo used at the beginning of the article. How out of date is that? Are HRC's supporters ashamed of her age and current appearance? Women are allowed to age too, you know. To pretend otherwise is SEXIST!
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
11. I read the article and your OP doesn't do it, or Hillary, justice.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jun 2015

Wish you'd just posted the article and some excerpts.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
13. Pretty much a bunk article.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jun 2015

Hillary is a lousy campaigner. But then so is Rand Paul from my observations (his dad was better).

One of Hillary's problems in 2008 was that Barack Obama shone on the campaign trail and she paled by comparison. I think we are already seeing the same thing in 2015: Sanders is a real pol, an enthusiastic campaigner ... once again Hillary suffers by comparison. That characteristic has nothing to do with gender, Hillary just isn't very good out on the stump.

You could fill an old fashioned telephone book with complaints about politicians who get overpaid for speeches.

Interestingly the only somewhat salient point is directed at Maureen Dowd ... I think all that indicates is that even some women can have sexist attitudes, or what in retrospect appear to be sexist notions?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
22. When folks who strongly supported John Kerry bitterly denounce Hillary's IWR vote,
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jun 2015

even though Kerry voted the same way, one can't help wondering whether some sexism is coming into play.

TBF

(32,153 posts)
23. Why assume "hate"? For some of us she is simply second or third choice
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jun 2015

to candidates we find more progressive. We know both Bernie and Martin are longshots, but we might prefer their views on the various issues facing this country. Is that so terribly hard to understand?

ETA - Obviously there is some sexism out there - just as we have dealt with racism and now even agism with Bernie running. That doesn't mean everyone who doesn't favor Hillary is sexist.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
26. I suspect those with "mother" issues probably project them on her.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jun 2015

This would be the natural, human thing to do, since women in high office are still rare enough to be typed by their gender. Once politicians are 50/50 women this should not be as much of an issue.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
27. yeah those who wanted warren to run and now support sanders are totally sexist
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:54 AM
Jun 2015
you hillary supporters are getting desperate now
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
29. Mother issues - doesn't explain Liz Warren.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jun 2015

Sexism issues - doesn't explain Liz Warren.
Ageism issues - doesn't explain Bernie Sanders.

Is it so hard to accept that it is policy? Whoever thinks up this stuff is not doing HRC any favors.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
40. Exactly. I support Bernie because he reminds me of FDR. And I see his issues in the same ballpark.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jun 2015

I will be voting for Hillary if she wins. I was not surprised to see so many women my age at the rally in Minneapolis. Women's issues are not the only thing that we are concerned about. We see all around us having economic troubles.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
41. Maybe? While I don't believe that, it is as fair to say that as to say we are all sexist because we
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jun 2015

support Bernie.

MuseRider

(34,140 posts)
33. I am not a Hillary supporter
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:44 PM
Jun 2015

but I have not actually seen anything to suggest that this is a factor where I post yet but I certainly would not ever say it wasn't a major problem looking into the future (if not already).

Just my two cents, I am very sensitive to it but have seen so much idiocy here I am trying to avoid most all the threads once they devolve into stupid stuff so...

She is going to catch a hell of a lot of it, as are we as the backlash really cranks up but at this point I have not really seen a lot of it.

Honestly I don't really want to look for it, I am depressed enough as it is now.

Response to boston bean (Original post)

ismnotwasm

(42,028 posts)
35. Of course it is
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jun 2015

I don't know how much of it is here, some at least, but there are those DUers who generally dislike her decisions, her history. Outside, talking to people watching the news, reading various news articles or watching pundits or following social media there is definitely a sexist driven subtext. Where it's overt tends to be on the rebublican side.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
37. In summary, you clearly have mommy issues if you take exception..
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jun 2015

to some of Clinton's conservative policy positions.

yellowcanine

(35,705 posts)
39. Maybe maybe maybe and maybe not..... Not the best way to raise a topic.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jun 2015

Make your case if you can. But putting it in a hypothetical format is poor form.
For me it says move on, nothing serious happening here.

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