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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaybe a lot of the Hillary hate is sexist...
see this article and let me know if you've seen these same arguments. Then ask yourself if it could possibly be sexism?
http://www.bustle.com/articles/84522-3-times-hillary-clinton-was-called-out-for-something-her-fellow-male-candidates-werent
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)That kinda deflates a lot of the argument I think.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But my dislike for her has absolutely zero to do with her sex
Actually, that's not completely true. Her welfare reform hurt women greatly. As a woman that expected more from a woman, I resent that.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Those on the right wing who clearly are motivated by, among other things, sexism. Their attitudes about her were fixed back in the 1990s when her Husband was the President. If she is our candidate than these sexist attacks will increase and intensify, and we will have to be willing and ready to call them out.
On the other those on the left of Hillary Clinton oppose her policies. Yes they may occasionally use some gendered attacks at DU, and that shouldn't be acceptable, but she has been in the public eye for years. She has a record, and we know what it is. Opposing her because her record is one of centrism and third way/DLC style politics isn't sexist. It's opposing her on her record.
Bryant
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the false equivalence between them, thereby stifling and suppressing the concerns of the latter group (the leftists).
deutsey
(20,166 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)O'Malley for the win!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)That's pretty awful.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)misogyny.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Hey, again, we agree on an issue.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)to re-watch it tonight or tomorrow. I try to watch it at least once per year, to keep my humanity and sense of romance alive. (Also does not hurt that it's strongly anti-fascist.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)it's because of her vote to allow Bush to illegally invade Iraq, her lie about coming under sniper fire in Bosnia.
Bernie is my choice for the primaries.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Thanks for the hearty laugh of reading it.
One example:
Kyrgyzstan? Give me a break!
Then when she and Bill are jointly critiqued/questioned re their speech fees:
And then the article whines about an op ed piece discussing Clinton's "baggage"? Let's call it history. When we bring up negative history about male candidates of either party, are we accused of sexism?
And oh! quelle horreur! Maureen Dowd (also a WOMAN) criticized HRC:
cant figure out how to campaign as a woman. Dowd also said Clinton scrubbed out the femininity, vulnerability, and heart in her 2008 campaign because she felt she needed to prove a woman could be commander-in-chief.
Dowd then went on to say Clinton saw the foolishness of acting like a masculine woman defending the Iraq invasion after she fell behind to a feminized man denouncing it.
Quite legitimate points brought up by another
WOMAN.
Finally, note the photo used at the beginning of the article. How out of date is that? Are HRC's supporters ashamed of her age and current appearance? Women are allowed to age too, you know. To pretend otherwise is SEXIST!
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Wish you'd just posted the article and some excerpts.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Hillary is a lousy campaigner. But then so is Rand Paul from my observations (his dad was better).
One of Hillary's problems in 2008 was that Barack Obama shone on the campaign trail and she paled by comparison. I think we are already seeing the same thing in 2015: Sanders is a real pol, an enthusiastic campaigner ... once again Hillary suffers by comparison. That characteristic has nothing to do with gender, Hillary just isn't very good out on the stump.
You could fill an old fashioned telephone book with complaints about politicians who get overpaid for speeches.
Interestingly the only somewhat salient point is directed at Maureen Dowd ... I think all that indicates is that even some women can have sexist attitudes, or what in retrospect appear to be sexist notions?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)even though Kerry voted the same way, one can't help wondering whether some sexism is coming into play.
TBF
(32,153 posts)to candidates we find more progressive. We know both Bernie and Martin are longshots, but we might prefer their views on the various issues facing this country. Is that so terribly hard to understand?
ETA - Obviously there is some sexism out there - just as we have dealt with racism and now even agism with Bernie running. That doesn't mean everyone who doesn't favor Hillary is sexist.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)This would be the natural, human thing to do, since women in high office are still rare enough to be typed by their gender. Once politicians are 50/50 women this should not be as much of an issue.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Sexism issues - doesn't explain Liz Warren.
Ageism issues - doesn't explain Bernie Sanders.
Is it so hard to accept that it is policy? Whoever thinks up this stuff is not doing HRC any favors.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)I will be voting for Hillary if she wins. I was not surprised to see so many women my age at the rally in Minneapolis. Women's issues are not the only thing that we are concerned about. We see all around us having economic troubles.
BainsBane
(53,137 posts)I have a friend who is a lady.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)...?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)support Bernie.
MuseRider
(34,140 posts)but I have not actually seen anything to suggest that this is a factor where I post yet but I certainly would not ever say it wasn't a major problem looking into the future (if not already).
Just my two cents, I am very sensitive to it but have seen so much idiocy here I am trying to avoid most all the threads once they devolve into stupid stuff so...
She is going to catch a hell of a lot of it, as are we as the backlash really cranks up but at this point I have not really seen a lot of it.
Honestly I don't really want to look for it, I am depressed enough as it is now.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Response to boston bean (Original post)
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frylock
(34,825 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,028 posts)I don't know how much of it is here, some at least, but there are those DUers who generally dislike her decisions, her history. Outside, talking to people watching the news, reading various news articles or watching pundits or following social media there is definitely a sexist driven subtext. Where it's overt tends to be on the rebublican side.
frylock
(34,825 posts)to some of Clinton's conservative policy positions.
yellowcanine
(35,705 posts)Make your case if you can. But putting it in a hypothetical format is poor form.
For me it says move on, nothing serious happening here.