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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:22 AM Jun 2015

Australian MPs allowed to see top-secret trade deal text but can't reveal contents for four years

Australian politicians have been told they can view the current confidential negotiating text for the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, but only if they agree not to divulge anything they see for four years, despite expectations the deal could be finalised within months.

As 10 years of highly secret negotiations over the 12-nation trade and investment pact draw to a close and the US Congress debates whether to grant president Barack Obama fast-track authority, MPs and senators were briefed on the deal Monday night by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade assistant secretary Elizabeth Ward and other officials.

The MPs were told that, despite the negotiations being “in the final stages” and “at the end game”, key provisions had not been agreed – including intellectual property clauses of deep concern to the Australian government and controversial legal avenues for corporations to take action against governments – so-called investor state dispute settlements (ISDS). They were also told the ISDS process itself was still being negotiated, including provisions on transparency.

They were told they could view the current TPP negotiating text on Tuesday “subject to certain confidentiality requirements” and were shown a document they would be required to sign before any viewing.


http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/02/australian-mps-allowed-to-see-top-secret-trade-deal-text-on-condition-of-confidentiality



Nothing going on here folks ... move along..... everything is under control.............everything is fine........ relax......







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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
1. "This process is completely transparent" -said nobody about TPP.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:25 AM
Jun 2015

Actually the process is transparent. It is transparently corrupt and not in the interests of the ordinary people of this planet.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
3. Your new Bill of Rights as a human will
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jun 2015

be allowed to be viewed and talked about after we take over this planet

brooklynite

(95,012 posts)
9. Could you share with us ANY treaty on ANY subject that was negotiated in public?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:28 PM
Jun 2015

You and your elected representatives will have a chance to read it and opine on it when it's finished. Then Congress will vote for it or against it.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
13. FTAA
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jun 2015

Trade negotiations aren’t always so closed off. The George W. Bush administration did make some progress in the form of the Free Trade Area of the Americas. The FTAA was a proposed free trade area encompassing most countries in the Western Hemisphere. After public demonstrations against it many of the associated governments, including the United States, began to open the process. The FTAA released three drafts of the negotiating text, including bracketed sections which represented portions that had not been agreed upon. The United States Trade Representative at the time, Robert Zoellick, argued that “the availability of the text will increase public awareness of and support for the FTAA.”

http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/11/06/a-brief-history-of-secretive-trade-negotiations/

But lets look at who is "in" on the secret TPP and who is "out":

IN: executive branches of involved nations.
IN: select group of global corporations and trade groups.
OUT: legislatures of involved nations, except for select individuals, and/or with crippling encumberments.
OUT: the ordinary people of the involved nations.

Most importantly the people are denied information about the treaties being negotiated. Why is that? Why would you support that? What is the point of this secrecy? It is obviously to keep us in the dark until it is too late for us to do anything about it.

malthaussen

(17,241 posts)
2. The chutzpah is breathtaking, isn't it?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:26 AM
Jun 2015

I wonder how much access the legislators in other countries have. Somehow, I doubt it's any better.

-- Mal

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
10. It is a test to see if nations can be controlled like cattle and guess what
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jun 2015

they can! Just wave money under their noses and they will let their own people become nothing more than chattel.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
4. Australian and American legislators treated the same.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jun 2015
... it was similar to the undertakings required of members of the US Congress who wanted to view the text.

“I further acknowledge that the negotiating text is confidential and sensitive; disclosure of the negotiating text may affect adversely TPP negotiations and Australia’s relations with other TPP partners.”

It concluded: “I therefore agree that these confidentiality requirements shall apply for four years after entry into force of the TPP, or if no agreement enters into force, for four years after the last round of negotiations.”

I wonder why the 'negotiating texts' are that sensitive and should remain secret for 4 years even if TPP enters into force. Is that true of other international negotiations? The text of the final TPP agreement, if it ever happens, will be public prior to being voted on by legislatures in each country. Any embarrassing or sensitive compromises and positions that a national government agreed to will be known without waiting 4 years.

Are interim arguments and positions that did not make it into the text of the final agreement that sensitive that it is likely to affect "Australia’s relations with other TPP partners?"

starroute

(12,977 posts)
5. WikiLeaks is offering a $100,000 bounty for TPP drafts
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2015/06/02/wikileaks-issues-call-100000-bounty-monster-trade-treaty

Today, WikiLeaks has launched a campaign to crowd-source a $100,000 reward for America's Most Wanted Secret: the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP).

Over the last two years, WikiLeaks has published three chapters of this super-secret global deal, despite unprecedented efforts by negotiating governments to keep it under wraps. US Senator Elizabeth Warren has said, &quot They) can’t make this deal public because if the American people saw what was in it, they would be opposed to it." The remaining 26 chapters of the deal are closely held by negotiators and the big corporations that have been given privilleged access. Today, WikiLeaks is taking steps to bring about the public's rightful access to the missing chapters of this monster trade pact. . . .

The TPP bounty also heralds the launch of WikiLeaks' new competition system, which allows the public to pledge prizes towards each of the world's most wanted leaks. Members of the public can now go to wikileaks.org/tpp-reward to pledge on the missing chapters of the TPP.

WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange said, "The transparency clock has run out on the TPP. No more secrecy. No more excuses. Let's open the TPP once and for all."
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
8. The uber wealthy have decided they can hide behind security walls
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

when the global rebellion against corporate control takes off. Fools. Just like throughout the rest of history, fools believe they can have their cake and eat it too.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. But but but...it will bring equality to the poor masses of the world!
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:25 PM
Jun 2015

This "job creator" cannot wait to start selling life saving oils to the poor of the world!

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. Progress has been made on global equality in the past 25 years. TPP isn't necessary for that.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jun 2015


The top 1% has seen its real income rise by more than 60% over those two decades. The largest increases however were registered around the median: 80% real increase at the median itself and some 70% around it. It is there, between the 50th and 60th percentile of the global income distribution that we find some 200 million Chinese, 90 million Indians, and about 30 million people each from Indonesia, Brazil and Egypt. These two groups—the global top 1% and the workers of the emerging market economies— are indeed the main winners of globalization...

But the biggest loser (other than the very poorest 5%), or at least the “non-winner,” of globalization were those between the 75th and 90th percentile of the global income distribution whose real income gains were essentially nil. These people, who may be called a global upper-middle class, include many from former Communist countries and Latin America, as well as those citizens of rich countries whose incomes stagnated.

More than fifty percent of one’s income depends on the average income of the country where a person lives or was born (the two things being, for 97% of world population, the same). This gives the importance of the location element today. There are of course other factors that matter for one’s income, from gender and parental education which are, from an individual point of view externally given circumstances, to factors like own education, effort and luck that are not. They all influence our income level. But the remarkable thing is that a very large chunk of our income will be determined by only one variable, citizenship, that we, generally, acquire at birth. It is almost the same as saying, that if I know nothing about any given individual in the world, I can, with a reasonably good confidence, predict her income just from the knowledge of her citizenship... Around 1870, class explained more than 2/3 of global inequality. And now? The proportions have exactly flipped: more than 2/3 of total inequality is due to location.

OECD study: Income gains to top 1% last 30 years - US worst (by far), Europe best (by far).

Canada is second only to the U.S. in its growing inequality. In the U.S., about 47 per cent of total growth went to the wealthiest one per cent between 1975 and 2007, compared to 37 per cent in Canada, while in Australia and the U.K., about 20 per cent of growth went to the wealthiest.

In Nordic countries and in France, Italy, Portugal and Spain, about 90 per cent of growth went to the 99 per cent of middle and low-income earners in the same period.

Larry Summers, who was secretary of the treasury under Bill Clinton and is now a Harvard professor, has pointed out how the constant push for tax cuts and the erosion of union bargaining rights has led to greater income inequality.

The study calls for higher marginal tax rates and fewer tax deductions and credits aimed at high income earners. It also advocates wealth or inheritance taxes.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/top-1-taking-lion-s-share-of-global-growth-oecd-says-1.2627154

The two groups that have been big global winners in terms of income over the past 25 years have been workers of the emerging market economies and the global 1%. Nordic countries along France, Italy, Portugal and Spain with have shown that the gains of the 1% can be redirected to the 99%. If we did that here, the dip in the global income graph that represents us could be dealt with and not harm the bottom 75% who are already making progress.
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